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its there fault for inviting terrorists

as long as he gets free oil, he won't give shit to anything

These posts disgust me. I didnt know that this illeagal war, planned by a 5 year old kid in a 50 year old man's body. The fact that anyone feels that this open parade of death and destruction is apalling. Anyone who thinks that this war was necessary should talk to Cindy Sheehan, who lost EVREYTHING in this war when her son died, and has suffered nothing but arrests and persecution from this government. The government should really be more grateful for the sacrifice of 2000+ of our finest children than to stick to its guns, and refuse to prevent the slaughter of more fore the sheer purpose of defending its own credibility.

P.S. Im leaving this forum for good, so dont give yourself carpel tunnel calling me names

At 3/25/07 01:28 PM, SlithVampir wrote: P.S. Im leaving this forum for good

After one post?

At 3/25/07 01:44 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote: Cindy Sheehan lost her son. But she did not raise him, her son thought she was a fucking nut,

Is that a true statement? Because I always wanted to know the relationship between her and her son just to make sure she isn't taking advantage of her own sons death to promote her own political agenda.

At 3/25/07 01:58 PM, zeus-almighty wrote:

At 3/25/07 01:44 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote: Cindy Sheehan lost her son. But she did not raise him, her son thought she was a fucking nut,

Is that a true statement? Because I always wanted to know the relationship between her and her son just to make sure she isn't taking advantage of her own sons death to promote her own political agenda.

just listen to her speak, ive never heard her say anything other than liberal anti war rhetoric myself.

Hannity interviews Cindy.
ok, fine, so its not the most balanced reference, but she admits to 95% of what he says.

At 3/24/07 09:45 PM, Nylo wrote: I don't know, Red Skunk. That's kind of like saying World War II violence was the fault of those who came to push the Germans back. Because it's true in one aspect, but a REALLY limited-view aspect.

No, that's a false comparison. I'm saying that the aggressors and instigators of the war hold the most responsibility. Comparing this to WW2, that'd be the Germans. And I really find it humorous people would disagree with this.

At 3/25/07 01:28 PM, SlithVampir wrote: These posts disgust me. I didnt know that this illeagal war, planned by a 5 year old kid in a 50 year old man's body.

Can you prove that this war is illegal?

P.S. Im leaving this forum for good, so dont give yourself carpel tunnel calling me names

Good. We don't need more idiots here.

At 3/25/07 03:59 PM, RedSkunk wrote: No, that's a false comparison. I'm saying that the aggressors and instigators of the war hold the most responsibility. Comparing this to WW2, that'd be the Germans. And I really find it humorous people would disagree with this.

It wasn't just the Germans. Under the Treaty of Versailles Germany's economy had become nilch and this had deeply angered the German people. The Treaty of Versailles was of course written by the Triple Entente of Britain, the US, and France in which France, being the most aggresive towards Germany visciously attacked Germany with policies, debts, and politics. The German money went from 4 to equal a US dollar to the trillions per dollar. To think that Germany was the sole spark of WW2 is truly a misunderstanding. Also, to say it was the Entente's fault is far worse, because Hitler was definitely the main cause. All in all it was both sides' faults.... just like this war.

Oh and Iraq is a major improvement from pre-war actually, let me give an example. The violent death rate under Saddam was 100 per 100,000. That rate now, which includes the war is 45 per 100,000. Saddam's was mainly due to democide. A reason we(The US) might invade there is because the average for the Middle East is 10 per 100,000. Just FYI, ours is 8 per 100,000.

At 3/25/07 10:01 PM, Death-Cannon wrote: It wasn't just the Germans.

It was a simplified example, I didn't say the Germans deserved all blame. Save the history lesson. And I'd like a source stating that the violent death rate was 100 per 100,000 in 2002. And how about one for the 45 in a 100,000 too, for that matter.

At 3/26/07 02:24 PM, RedSkunk wrote: It was a simplified example, I didn't say the Germans deserved all blame. Save the history lesson. And I'd like a source stating that the violent death rate was 100 per 100,000 in 2002. And how about one for the 45 in a 100,000 too, for that matter.

No problem man:

Link 1

Link 2

Take into account that some media sites dispute these statistics. I suggest looking up non-media or blog stats, they are harder to find and I spent time trying to get them but media has a much larger screen over them. Also, the 45 was 2006, I believe current is 57.

Oops forgot the 100 of 100000 link:

Link 3

At 3/27/07 12:53 AM, Death-Cannon wrote: Oops forgot the 100 of 100000 link:

Link 3

That doesn't work, that's an "average" over the entire time that Saddam was in power. This included numerous civil uprisings and massacres in the '80s and early '90s.

And to compare the "violent death rate" of Iraq to US cities (as your second link does) is truly asinine, considering that US cities have accurate statistics, while Iraq is.. well. A war zone. Look at your first two links. They contradict themselves hardcore. The first link cites 9,000 "violent" deaths a year, the second cites an AP estimate of 13,700 in 2006 (and from the same link, the Iraq government says 16,200). But we must also admit that many deaths are going unreported because of the horrid conditions of hospitals and the civil sector in Iraq. Finally, I'd contest the idea that looking solely at "violent" deaths is very meaningful in the first place.

Thanks for the links though.

All anti-war people should die im tired of defending the war and the troops, if you dont like the war dont join the military.

Everyone realises that the 655'000 figure uses roughly the same logic as The Black Book of Communism? Right? But who likes that book and doesn't like this figure?

At 3/21/07 08:39 AM, Korriken wrote: obviously you don't understand war
its not the american military's fault that the insurgents are blowing up civilians.

Bush supporter.
Using your god damn facts and reasoning

At 3/28/07 04:55 PM, DarkPhazon wrote:

Bush supporter.
Using your god damn facts and reasoning

i can play that game too, you know.

Terrorist supporter.
Using your god damn catch phrases and rhetorical chants