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Hey, your beloved group is a class desription of the nazi party. Hating Jews, feeling superior, wanting to have control of the government. Hell, even the website says it. I am trying, along with many here, to stop these hateful ideas from growing. Cause thats all the nazies were at one point. An idea.

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At 3/19/07 09:39 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 3/19/07 09:36 PM, zzzzd wrote:

Don't make me fucking laugh, you just bring up your beloved lend lease(regardless of what the topics about) and eventually give up and don't post back.

I laugh, because altho I do not really agree with him on Fli, he did hand your ass on a silver platter proving with pictures of statistics that Europeans are more illerate, work less, and produce less of a work output than Americans which disproved many sterotypes of Americans.

I never argued that europeans are more less illerate, work more or produce more work output than americans.

And steriotypes are steriotypes. There not always true.
Americans will always be seen as fat lazy wankers just as British will always be seen as posh bastards and football hooligans.

If ever I did bring up an issue on how clever american are it would be about there clouded view on the rest of the world. Not at how good there english or maths is.

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At 3/19/07 09:35 PM, fli wrote:

At 3/19/07 09:09 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: You're a dickhead fli. You get angry and you resort to petty racism. That doesn't bother me though, I'd MUCH rather be mixed than be a Mexican.

The feelings is mutal Barbie.

I see your English still hasn't improved much.

Yup, you're a pretty big dickhead alright.

Ohhhh, I hurt your feelings.

You didn't hurt my feelings. You think you're the first person that I've received racism from? You realize I work for an Israeli company right? Think about it. My skin is as thick as an elephants.

Lemme remind you that I came here and YOU were the one who wanted to pick a fight with all your bigdickheadedtry.

I criticized your political views. I didn't attack you for your lifestyle choice or your race or ancestry did I?

Unlike you, I'm actually capable of arguing someone without reaching for vulnerabilities to attack their fucking personal life.

You got angry like a little bitch so you had to devolve into a fucking bigot. Meanwhile, you have constantly accused people of racism as a defense mechanism in the past to help your argument.

You're pathetic fli.

There's something lowly about terrorists, but it really says something when you're only half a terrorist.

A) I'm half Lebanese, Lebanon is not exactly a big source of terrorism, not among the actual locals.
B) My Lebanese Ancestors were Arab Christians and Phoenician Jews, they weren't Muslim
C) You're a racist douchebag.
D) I hope you die.

Whatever.
I regret going down on your level in a huge way. I aint beggin anything, but I appologize for bringing in race.

I don't accept your apology. I would, but I don't even think you're sorry. You're just trying to salvage your credibility now to save face.

You're blatantly racist and you've shown that. I'm going to use this thread as reference every single time I see you accuse people of racism in the future.

However,
I couldn't stop feeling that the only reason you accusing me for being with a group of people is because of my own heritage. Because you have no evidence to prove your claims and all you respond is, "Well... that's what I remember."

Dude you have 9000 posts. It would take me days to find the exact post probably. But meanwhile, I don't even care if anyone else believes it. I know what you said and thats all that matters to me. Maybe you should do some personal reflection and go back over what you have said in immigration debates before.

Doesn't matter that NoA wouldn't have me as a member because I'm openly gay. I felt that you're telling all this is merely because I'm Latino.

Dude, I am SURROUNDED by Latinos, I work with Latinos, I have friends that are Latinos. The racial issue has absolutely no sway in my mind in my argument with you. I don't care if you're gay, Hispanic, whatever I disagree with your views, thats it.

But you have shown that you are racially motivated and that your racial prejudices instantly come to the surface once you start getting angry.

I couldn't stop helping myself think that you just hate Latinos in general.

I don't think you actually believe I hate Latinos. I think you're just saying that to boost your argument. I have absolutely no problem with Latinos at all. How can I be racist when I am myself a member of a racial minority in this country?

And when people start to feel like that, it's pretty damn hard not to get dirty. I don't hate you because you're Labonese. I know they're not terrorists, but damn... When you're looking a way to hurt a person, that's the one route you go.

And you fucked by going down that route. But don't feel bad, it didn't hurt my feelings. I'm just disappointed that you had to do that.

BUT THIS NOT CHANGES THE FACT,

that I'm disdaining you in a huge way at this very second. I hate you not because of your identity...

BUT because you hate me for reasons without any goddamn basis.

I don't hate you fli, Jesus Christ. I don't anybody on NG. I get in heated debates with people, I don't have much respect for some people. But unlike people who go out of their way to attack me, I don't get personal grudges and turn into a disgruntled little bitch once I hear something I don't like.

You need to chill out. Learn how to detach yourself personally the argument. This is the internet after all.

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At 3/19/07 09:48 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Hey, your beloved group is a class desription of the nazi party. Hating Jews, feeling superior, wanting to have control of the government. Hell, even the website says it. I am trying, along with many here, to stop these hateful ideas from growing. Cause thats all the nazies were at one point. An idea.

Yeah--
You don't really know what you're saying and if Cellar doesn't know and neither has proof that I associate with a group that I've only heard on NG.... YOU have much less to argue. You, who really hasn't been around to get the full scope of the situation unless you so happened to be around at the time when he heard me say that I belong to NoA.

I neither have anything to argue with you nor do I wish to argue with a complete stranger on something which is between... Cellar and me.

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At 3/19/07 09:48 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Hey, your beloved group is a class desription of the nazi party. Hating Jews, feeling superior, wanting to have control of the government. Hell, even the website says it. I am trying, along with many here, to stop these hateful ideas from growing. Cause thats all the nazies were at one point. An idea.

Seriously, shut the fuck up.

Cellardoor, do you have any fucking life outside Newgrounds. By seeing the way that you treat people, it's a wonder that you actually have friends in life.

New kid, no one cares. No one gives two shits who you are and what your bleeding opinion is. Go back to whatever Upper class family you came from and bitch about it.

Fli, why the hell are you replying any more?

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At 3/19/07 10:09 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/19/07 09:48 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Hey, your beloved group is a class desription of the nazi party. Hating Jews, feeling superior, wanting to have control of the government. Hell, even the website says it. I am trying, along with many here, to stop these hateful ideas from growing. Cause thats all the nazies were at one point. An idea.

Seriously, shut the fuck up.

YOU shut the fuck up. You aren't involved in this anymore than he is.

Cellardoor, do you have any fucking life outside Newgrounds. By seeing the way that you treat people, it's a wonder that you actually have friends in life.

How I treat people? Who was it that resorted to racism? Or are you so fucking blinded by your stupid bias that you've taken sides with the belligerent one here to satisfy your own little grudge against me?

And thats coming from someone with 10,000 posts.

So why don't you mind YOUR own fucking business. Nobody addressed you. You just have to seize the moment to stick your nose in something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

So go run along and fuck off you fucking retard.

Fli, why the hell are you replying any more?

See, you've taken sides with fli, yet you attack someone else for taking sides. Why don't you go away and stick to your own fucking business for once instead of pretending you have authority in every argument.

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At 3/19/07 10:15 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 3/19/07 10:09 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/19/07 09:48 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote:

How I treat people? Who was it that resorted to racism? Or are you so fucking blinded by your stupid bias that you've taken sides with the belligerent one here to satisfy your own little grudge against me?

You generalized, you placed him into some mythical reconquesta of the southwest. You called him a traitor in all but name.

Now, I wonder why he would be angry.

So why don't you mind YOUR own fucking business. Nobody addressed you. You just have to seize the moment to stick your nose in something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

I'll make sure to remember that the next time you look like an ass.

See, you've taken sides with fli, yet you attack someone else for taking sides. Why don't you go away and stick to your own fucking business for once instead of pretending you have authority in every argument.

Because I know Fli a hell of a lot better then I know you.

And you just seem to be a small hatefilled person.

Really, you have some serious problems that you need to express anger over the internet.

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You have not read this thread at all have you? If you did you would see the onewit the anger and hate.

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Hey I see CD6 is acting like:

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Also, you have the social skills of a severely bad autistic kid who swears people out every two seconds, cellardoor.

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At 3/19/07 10:21 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/19/07 10:15 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 3/19/07 10:09 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/19/07 09:48 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote:

How I treat people? Who was it that resorted to racism? Or are you so fucking blinded by your stupid bias that you've taken sides with the belligerent one here to satisfy your own little grudge against me?

You generalized, you placed him into some mythical reconquesta of the southwest. You called him a traitor in all but name.

Those are my political views. I didn't attack him personally unprovoked. I didn't bring up his race, or his sexuality.

Now, I wonder why he would be angry.

That doesn't mean hes justified in going on a racist tirade.

See, you've taken sides with fli, yet you attack someone else for taking sides. Why don't you go away and stick to your own fucking business for once instead of pretending you have authority in every argument.

Because I know Fli a hell of a lot better then I know you.

And you just seem to be a small hatefilled person.

I'm not a hatefilled person at all. It's funny how when its someone you disagree with, its hate. But when its someone you side with, they are just expressing their justified anger.

And tell me this; have I ever resorted to racial slurs? Have I ever attacked someone about their race or religion for no reason? I don't think so.

But that is what fli did. He devolved into a bigoted rampage calling me a terrorist because of my Middle Easter descent.

And you're so pathetic that you've allowed your unrelated personal views and bias to distort your perception to the point that you stepped in to side with him.

Really, you have some serious problems that you need to express anger over the internet.

Who is the one who expressed anger over the internet? I initiated the argument, I'll admit that. But I wasn't angry, I was intensely critical. Fli got angry and allowed his anger to get the best of him.

If I had gone on such a racist tirade, you know damn well you would have criticized me for it. But since you're too hopelessly biased in your thinking, you just ignore it when fli is the perpetrator.

If I had done what he did, if I had attacked his Mexican heritage, I'd probably be banned by now.

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At 3/19/07 09:57 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: You didn't hurt my feelings. You think you're the first person that I've received racism from? You realize I work for an Israeli company right? Think about it. My skin is as thick as an elephants.

Lemme remind you that I came here and YOU were the one who wanted to pick a fight with all your bigdickheadedtry.

I criticized your political views. I didn't attack you for your lifestyle choice or your race or ancestry did I?

Let the records show how this started out:
You were there [Tancrisism]?
Is there going to be another one held?
Perhaps we could meet and protest together...

You and your treasonous nonsense
Move to Cuba.

You know Cellar,
FUCK. YOU.
It's one thing to debate me on something, but it's another to be an obnoxious prick. Set up your own fucking ralley if you want.
But seriously... fuck off until then.

Oooooohh touchy...
Now don't tell me you forgot that you've previously expressed your support of La Raza and The Nation of Aztlan...
Don't get angry, you shouldn't be. YOU are the one who should be the focus of anger. You support an organization whose goal is to destroy our country. Yet you live here, and deem yourself worthy to protest against a war being fought by people who actually DO care about our country.
Go find another country to exploit and destroy from the inside out.

So Mother Teresa... It started out that I merely as Tan if he wanted to protest together, and then you come over with this accusation of treason, which I have zero idea you're talking about... I tell you to fuck off...

And then you start telling me how I belong to NoA when, really, the only knowlege I have of them is a piece of a youtube vid perhaps over year ago. You have ZERO proof other than that I've talk about Atzlan which is a cultural idea. And all you can say is that, "I remember..." And then you posthumously refuse to give evidence to your slanderous words.

And then you in your ethnocentricity refuse to acknowlege the difference between a cultural idea of Atzlan and a political group called Nation of Atzlan.

All the I'm feeling that the only reason you're being such a prick is because you just don't like Latinos.

Unlike you, I'm actually capable of arguing someone without reaching for vulnerabilities to attack their fucking personal life.

You got angry like a little bitch so you had to devolve into a fucking bigot. Meanwhile, you have constantly accused people of racism as a defense mechanism in the past to help your argument.

*cough*
Because "go to Cuba." Because your only connection to your argument that I belong to NoA is merely the fact that I'm Latino and talk about Atzlan?

This is a good time now to remove that fucking beam out of your eye.

I don't accept your apology. I would, but I don't even think you're sorry. You're just trying to salvage your credibility now to save face.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... I ain't apologizing to you. Period.
But you're dislike of my culture got me so angry that I want to do the same thing to you.

And remember bitch.
I offered to help you when you thought you couldn't raise a baby and thought adoption would be a viable option.

That's how much I hate the Labonese! I'm going to raise one as my son or daughter...

Fucking loser.

Dude you have 9000 posts. It would take me days to find the exact post probably. But meanwhile, I don't even care if anyone else believes it. I know what you said and thats all that matters to me. Maybe you should do some personal reflection and go back over what you have said in immigration debates before.

What the hell did I tell you? It was fucking MAY DAY. Like on the first of May! You have the date!

You seriously can't shuffle that far or scope 3 to 5 days before and after that? I just did... it was like page 80 of my post count within 5 minutes and found nothing to get you acting like this.

Dude, I am SURROUNDED by Latinos, I work with Latinos, I have friends that are Latinos. The racial issue has absolutely no sway in my mind in my argument with you. I don't care if you're gay, Hispanic, whatever I disagree with your views, thats it.

And I fucking support a nation in which I believe they ought to have their own anatomy.

And I've been accused in the past for being against Americans because I've read the Koran and said it didn't support terrorism.

And I fucking offered my aid in adopting your kid if you seriously didn't know what to do, and didn't want to abort!

Yes, I'm fli... the anti-semite who wants peace in the Middle East. Fli who has read the Koran... Fli who has offered a loving and protecting home to your own biological child!

Never mind the fact that his father comes from a religion that doesn't like gays... never mind the fact that the father has does exhibit racism against Latinos!

But you have shown that you are racially motivated and that your racial prejudices instantly come to the surface once you start getting angry.

I don't think you actually believe I hate Latinos. I think you're just saying that to boost your argument. I have absolutely no problem with Latinos at all. How can I be racist when I am myself a member of a racial minority in this country?

You must have something agaisnt Latinos if you refuse to distinguish what is Atzlan and Nation of Atzlan.

But I don't think you're racist... but boy, did you ever come out looking as one.

And you fucked by going down that route. But don't feel bad, it didn't hurt my feelings. I'm just disappointed that you had to do that.

Pu-lease...

I don't hate you fli, Jesus Christ. I don't anybody on NG. I get in heated debates with people, I don't have much respect for some people. But unlike people who go out of their way to attack me, I don't get personal grudges and turn into a disgruntled little bitch once I hear something I don't like.

I shown my evidence. You were the one who started the whole problem by bringing in treason, Atzlan, and la raza when the only thing I did was as Tan if he wanted to protest together.

You started everything first by calling me a traiter and all that crap when really... I believed this war was a mistake and wanted to express my speech peacefully. And you have the balls to slander my name?

This is way more than you were able to show everyone.

You need to chill out. Learn how to detach yourself personally the argument. This is the internet after all.

So what fuck is up with you!!!
Why did you start by calling me treasonous and bringing up shit that's really not relevent to he anti-war march?

You seriously didn't think that I wouldn't get pissed when you not only attack my character, but also my culture and peoples? You seriously didn't think I wouldn't get pissed when you know I'm gay and you insist that I'm part of a group known for homophobia?

Seriously--

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At 3/19/07 10:09 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

New kid, no one cares. No one gives two shits who you are and what your bleeding opinion is. Go back to whatever Upper class family you came from and bitch about it.

Are you talking about me?

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Voicing discontent doesn't necessarily equal treason, you must realize.

I'll remind you that a very small portion of the march was involved in this, VERY small:

I was reading farther into this communist organization, and their goals are (I'm reading from one of their newspapers):

1. The whole system we live under is based on exploitation... yada yada... no basic change can come about until this system is overthrown.

2. Many different groups will protest and rebel against things this system does, and these.. should be supported and strengthened. Yet it is only those with nothing to lose but their chains who can be the backbone of a struggle to actually overthrow this system and creat a new system...

3. Such a revolutionary struggle is possible. There is a political Party that can lead such a struggle, a political Party that speaks and acts for those with nothing to lose but their chains: The Revolutionary Communist Party, USA.

Some of that was paraphrased, as indicated by the periods. Isn't an organization like this illegal? One that encourages revolution? I don't understand how someone could actually buy into this except by being brainwashed, just as I don't understand how someone could join the KKK. The industrial revolution is over. What we've got is fucking good. Really fucking good. It's probably never been this good throghout the history of America, not to mention the world. How can someone honestly contemplate overthrowing what we've got for an ideology that is extremely prone to totalitarianist qualities?

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At 3/19/07 10:54 PM, fli wrote:

All the I'm feeling that the only reason you're being such a prick is because you just don't like Latinos.

And such a thing is preposterous to say. Have I ever resorted to racial slurs like you did? Have I ever attacked ANYONE for their race? No.

I don't accept your apology. I would, but I don't even think you're sorry. You're just trying to salvage your credibility now to save face.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... I ain't apologizing to you. Period.

You said "sorry"

But you're dislike of my culture got me so angry that I want to do the same thing to you.

I don't dislike your culture. I dislike your political views. The fact that your political views tie into an ethnic movement that I disagree with doesn't mean I dislike your latino culture.

Just like you can hate Nazis for their ethnic-nationalistic views yet you can still respect German culture.

And remember bitch.
I offered to help you when you thought you couldn't raise a baby and thought adoption would be a viable option.

I remember. But then again, you need to realize that I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever put my child up for adoption. And I tried not to insult you when I said it, but I told you that since I don't approve of your lifestyle, I wouldn't want my kid to be raised by you, due to my religious views.

That's how much I hate the Labonese! I'm going to raise one as my son or daughter...

I don't even think you were aware of my racial makeup back then.

Fucking loser.

Blah.

What the hell did I tell you? It was fucking MAY DAY. Like on the first of May! You have the date!

How do you remember that it was May day if you don't supposedly don't remember the conversation at all?

Dude, I am SURROUNDED by Latinos, I work with Latinos, I have friends that are Latinos. The racial issue has absolutely no sway in my mind in my argument with you. I don't care if you're gay, Hispanic, whatever I disagree with your views, thats it.

And I fucking support a nation in which I believe they ought to have their own anatomy.

You mean autonomy...

You're talking about an autonomy that would destroy the country that you currently live in. So my point was: How can you deem yourself worthy to protest against a war fought by people who are trying to protect this country, when you support a movement that is trying to dismantle our country?

Makes perfect sense to me that such can be considered treason. Not exactly something that deserves a harsh racial attack as a reply.

And I've been accused in the past for being against Americans because I've read the Koran and said it didn't support terrorism.

I've read the Koran and I don't think in and of itself it supports terrorism as well. I don't understand what that has to do with what we're talking about.

And I fucking offered my aid in adopting your kid if you seriously didn't know what to do, and didn't want to abort!

Dude. You need to realize that I was just having a brief moment of being hysterical because of my girlfriend being pregnant. Once some time went by and I returned to sanity, I had no intention of aborting the child or adoption.

It's not like I came to some educated decision in which I was actually contemplating doing either. I was a scared 20 year old kid who was freaking out, and rightfully so. I am still in school, I'm still a fucking kid, I was partying and having a great time and then BAM I had a shit load of responsibility.

Anyone else would have reacted the same way, they just wouldn't have been as honest about it as I was.

Yes, I'm fli... the anti-semite who wants peace in the Middle East. Fli who has read the Koran... Fli who has offered a loving and protecting home to your own biological child!

Fli who attacked me as being a terrorist because I have middle-eastern ancestors when he got angry...

Never mind the fact that his father comes from a religion that doesn't like gays... never mind the fact that the father has does exhibit racism against Latinos!

I don't exhibit racism against Latinos. I exhibit anger towards Latinos (or any other race) that have the goal of creating a new country inside of MY country and leading to its ultimate destruction.

You must have something agaisnt Latinos if you refuse to distinguish what is Atzlan and Nation of Atzlan.

The Nation of Aztlan is obviously the more extreme fringe of the movement, but the underlining goals are the same; Create a revived nation of Aztlan within the mainland of the United States, and dismantle the United States by taking 1/5th of it's land!

If any group of people tried to do this, the fucking Chinese, French, Canadians, Aliens from the planet Marklark, if anybody had this goal I would exhibit the same amount of distaste for it. My loyalty is to MY COUNTRY not my fucking ethnic group.

If it were an entire movement of half German/Lebanese like me I would still be just as opposed to it.

But I don't think you're racist... but boy, did you ever come out looking as one.

Look whose talking fli... You're the one who called me a terrorist for being of middle eastern descent.

You started everything first by calling me a traiter and all that crap when really... I believed this war was a mistake and wanted to express my speech peacefully. And you have the balls to slander my name?

I didn't slander your name? I brought up my POLITICAL disagreement with your VIEWS. You reacted irrationally by attacking me for my race for no reason.

You're in the wrong here buddy.

Why did you start by calling me treasonous and bringing up shit that's really not relevent to he anti-war march?

Um politics...

You seriously didn't think that I wouldn't get pissed when you not only attack my character, but also my culture and peoples?

I didn't attack your culture and your people. I attacked for political views. YOU attacked MY people and my ethnic background. YOU made race an issue, I only made your political views an issue. Just because your political views tie into your racial ethnic pride doesn't mean you are immune from criticism.

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At 3/19/07 11:41 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: I don't even think you were aware of my racial makeup back then.

Yeah.

How did I even know that you were Lebaonese?
Because you told me because I told you that I was looking for a kid who would look as if he or she could be my own child. Meaning, Latinoish... dark to olive skin... dark hair... dark eyes... Latinoish as you can see in my pic. Then you said that your father was Lebonese.

How do you remember that it was May day if you don't supposedly don't remember the conversation at all?

You said over a year ago. Which was "A Day without A Mexican." Which was the first of May.

You mean autonomy...

Damn... aren't you the hottest shit to happen.

You're talking about an autonomy that would destroy the country that you currently live in. So my point was: How can you deem yourself worthy to protest against a war fought by people who are trying to protect this country, when you support a movement that is trying to dismantle our country?

And my point is this: The Iraqis aren't a threat to us in the beginning. The terrorists were Bin Ladin and Afganistan extremists. The war is illegal in that we didn't have enough evidence to conclusively say that they were a threat to our lives or way of life. I believe that we have instead esculated the problem where enemies who just merely hated us NOW wants to kill us. If they're planning anything, it is because our actions started it first. To say that the Iraq War is a war where our freedoms is being fought is false. It's a war between politicians and lives, like my friend Christian who fought in both Afganistan and Iraq, are being put in mortal peril all for nothing.

This is why I protest. Not because I hate America, but because I hate War where it's frivilous. I hate all war, in fact. But I will see war necessary if life or a way of life is being threated, such as cause when Germany started to genocide Jews, Gypsies, Jehova Witnesses, and homosexuals during the WWII.

Makes perfect sense to me that such can be considered treason. Not exactly something that deserves a harsh racial attack as a reply.

You're attacking me for wanting to protest something that's against my concious...
You insist that I belong to a homophobic political group.
You attack on benevolent cultural ideas and refuse acknowlege the difference between Atzlan and the Nation of Atzlan.

This is something that most people know in politics-- I usually turn the other cheek. That I usually step down first. That RARELY do I get so fucking pissed that I'm literally pulling hair out of my head. The only people who could get me this upset is StevenHerman (and not even that much anymore) and maybe Damien_FLAGG. And even then! I've made friends with Damien... (more or less) because that's how I am.

I can tolerate other peoples ideas. And when I find myself in a situation where I don't approve someone's view... I mostley use language that doesn't incite anger, but debate. (For example... "This war is important for the livelyhood of the US and Iraq" Versus "You treasnous bitch! Go back to Cuba!")

This is some sort of fame with me on NG. That I could adjust with so many people with so many conflicting views because it's what I'm good at.

If I'm pissed to the point of flame warring... that's usually because the person who I'm talking has crossed my threshold in a big way.

Calling me a traiter. Telling people that I belong to NoA when I've only heard of them on the net. Refusing to listen. Grouping me with gay haters...

Yup. It's sooo not easy to see why I'm uber-pist.

Dude. You need to realize that I was just having a brief moment of being hysterical because of my girlfriend being pregnant. Once some time went by and I returned to sanity, I had no intention of aborting the child or adoption.

But I was there when YOU needed sympathy. In a huge way. As gay this sounds, I was the shoulder you got when Maus turned the cold shoulder on to you.

I was acting like a fucking decent human with you with.
I even recall telling you that I would raise your kid in a way that he or she would remember his or her Lebonese heritage! To not forget his or her parent's roots in the same way how I never forget that I came from humble Mexican parents.

This is what Atzlan means to me.
Never forgeting.

Gee... I'm some racist, aint I!

It's not like I came to some educated decision in which I was actually contemplating doing either. I was a scared 20 year old kid who was freaking out, and rightfully so. I am still in school, I'm still a fucking kid, I was partying and having a great time and then BAM I had a shit load of responsibility.

Anyone else would have reacted the same way, they just wouldn't have been as honest about it as I was.

Fli who attacked me as being a terrorist because I have middle-eastern ancestors when he got angry...

Fli who first offered to help a friend in need. Fli who would raise a friend's child to remember and praise his or her father's culture.

I don't exhibit racism against Latinos. I exhibit anger towards Latinos (or any other race) that have the goal of creating a new country inside of MY country and leading to its ultimate destruction.

The Nation of Aztlan is obviously the more extreme fringe of the movement, but the underlining goals are the same; Create a revived nation of Aztlan within the mainland of the United States, and dismantle the United States by taking 1/5th of it's land!

You know, you're really worrying about a small group because... if I, the actual Mexican in the whole situation, doesn't know what you're talking about... most likely it's because the issue is a very small blip on the radar screen.

But I will profess... we should always remember that the Southwest was conquered in an illegal war that even Honest Abe disagreed with. That is an embarassing part of history, but we should remember at least.

But I don't think you're racist... but boy, did you ever come out looking as one.

Look whose talking fli... You're the one who called me a terrorist for being of middle eastern descent.

Look who's talking! The guy doesn't

I didn't slander your name? I brought up my POLITICAL disagreement with your VIEWS. You reacted irrationally by attacking me for my race for no reason.

Sooo... it wasn't slander to say that I'm politcally alligned with NoA when you have no proof for such a claim? To keep on insisting even when you know that they're homophobic and suggest that I still am part of that group?

If this is "political disagreement," then to say you're a KKK member who hates semites must also be "political disagreement."

You're in the wrong here buddy.

Even people who are more atuned to your polical group are disagreeing what you're slandering against me!

Um politics...

You still need to learn what it means to debate on subject and how to incite dialogue without fighting.

I didn't attack your culture and your people.

Then why do suggest that Atzlan is this militant ideology that is a kin to the Nazism! You refuse to listen when I say you're wrong in the past, and even now.

This is not offense?!

I attacked for political views. YOU attacked MY people and my ethnic background. YOU made race an issue, I only made your political views an issue. Just because your political views tie into your racial ethnic pride doesn't mean you are immune from criticism.

I'm not immune to criticism.
But you certainly didn't get round to debating my political views. You've instead fight and insult me with no basis.

But boy... if you're going to slander my name, you better make sure you have your evidence because you also risk ruining your name.

You've come out of this with even your fellow NeoCon buddies distancing from you, but we've hardly debated on the main point... the actual war in Iraq!

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At 3/19/07 10:28 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: And tell me this; have I ever resorted to racial slurs? Have I ever attacked someone about their race or religion for no reason? I don't think so.

You called him a hispanic nationalist and a traitor and cancer to the United States and a member of the NoA, all unsubstantiated. Dont play.

At 3/19/07 09:23 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Because you're a Hispanic ethnic nationalist who is an antisemite and who hates Arabs and seeks the destruction of the US so that your Hispanic compatriots can fulfill their goal of reinstoring their make-believe nation of Aztlan?

Shit, who the fuck hacked your account? What the fuck is this, like the dying ravings of David Duke? Do me a favor and go back and read that, tell me if it makes any sense. Any.

Fli is an example of the American dream. Second generation, hard worker, 2 languagues, going to college, all that shit. To say he is really an ethinc nationalist who wants to destroy the USA? CMOOOOOON. Hes like a fucking humanities or english major also or something like that. Doesnt really sound to much like a hispanic nationalist to me.

Bringing up my ancestry?

Pot, meet kettle.

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At 3/20/07 06:47 AM, Demosthenez wrote: Hes like a fucking humanities or english major also or something like that.

Graduated... SCU...
working on second major...
working on getting to a graduates program.

But anyways...
Look, Cellar. There is no doubt that we both got racey when normally neither one of us are racey. But I felt attacked not only because you refuse to understand certain cultural principles that has helped me attain to a huge degree the American Dream. Although I certainly esculated the situation by calling you a half-terrorist.

What can I say, I really did get pissed because you just came at me out of the blue. Many of the members saw you that you kept provoking me. But, after all that, I don't bare any gruges. Why? Let everyone know that I'm just pulling his quote from this post, where I hinted that I would adopt his kid... Because you told me, "...since our first scuffles I've found that you are a really decent guy" (1/5/07 05:33 AM). That means more than any offensive insult you could have said to me in this post. And I know, under normal circumstances, you would not say, "I'd MUCH rather be mixed than be a Mexican" (3/19/07 09:09 PM). Under normal circumstances, I would never say, "There's something lowly about terrorists, but it really says something when you're only half a terrorist" (3/19/07 09:09 PM). And to actually mean it is something that I do. Because I know that you know that I'm a decent guy to suggest that I would adopt your kid who would be a quarter lebonese.

Nonetheless, I've said sorry once for calling you half terrorist in my, literally, blind rage. I'm not appologizing to you, you should know this... because it does not change the fact that you're still an uber-prick. Because it seems that you love to pick fights with people. It's okay to debate a subject, but if you're going slander people you better get your evidence. Because, do you think I, a gay man, join up with group of people who hates gays?
and dammit... Distinguish what's Atzlan versus Nation of Atzlan!

And let's just let this goddamn flame war die!