Culture Wars In Uk

[Mister-Mind]

I heard from my friend that there was a culture war in the UK. Muslims vs Roman Catholics. Does anyone have a links to information about this. Because I'm debating doing a speach on it. And I would like to learn more.

[Ravariel]

www.google.com

[zzzzd]

I don't know about Muslims V catholics.

Theres always been shit between Protestants and Catholics in areas.
And Muslims against the whole of the UK it seems.

[uhnoesanoob]

Ugh, poor catholics, they always have it from someone else. What did they do? Not allow divorce.

[fli]

There's cultural wars EVERYWHERE.

But... in some places, it's really heavy like some ghettos in Paris.
So... it really depends which group you're looking at.

[Leonardo-Da-Finchy]

There's not so much of a culture war going on across the whole of the UK. It's closer to tension. What with the terrorist threat, a good proportion of people are careful when around bearded/veiled asian people, which fits one stereotype of what a muslim looks like. Of course this is not the case, but it's in the minds of a lot of people.

The closest thing to actual war is the Protestant/Catholic issues in Northern Ireland, but even that has been calm recently, and looks to be come to a slow close.

[ViolentAJ]

Ugggh. The joys of unchecked multiculturalism.

[Tancrisism]

At 4/1/07 12:52 AM, chocolate-penguin wrote: God, I hate this shit. Muslims should not be allowed into the United States. Period. Fuck political correctness. People need to see that it's NOT RACISM

True, but it's still an equally unjust form of prejudice.

, it's just that these kinds of people also happen to be followers of a religion that is known for it's crazed fanatics who have performed the most vile and intricate acts in history

You mentioned history, so I think I'll bust out the good old Inquisition, and of course we've got the Crusades.

, all for some invisible shit in the sky that they believe will give them many yummy virgins when they keel over and die, hopefully in a pit of acid, burning sulfur, spikes, and anti-spike-and-acid dogs with rabies.

Not all of them believe that shit. Go read a book about Islam. Something that actually talks about true Islam, not what Osama Bin Laden brainwashed his followers to believe.

I'm not saying kick ass the muslims out, just don't let anymore in. Even ones that don't even look extreme come here to have as many children as possible so that in years to come they will be the majority in most developed first world countries.

Right, that's their goal. Same with the Irish and Chinese in the 1800s. It's not like they could possibly be human as well as us whiteys, with the same desires to live in a decent country where they can live freely and raise families like us whiteys.

I know it sounds fucked up, it's very extreme, but what other absolute non-violent way do people wish to stop sleeper cells to enter? It's happened many times. Japanese not allowed to immigrate to the US, for example would be viewed as racist and incredibly *GASP* rude to those equally respected and not-different-in-any-way-at-all people.

I detected sarcasm, and it depressed me. Your ignorance is seemingly endless.

Not all Muslims are radical, if that was so, why wouldn't we have a lot more violence in Iraq? The Kurds are still predominately Muslim, why aren't they procuring violence? Their portion of Iraq is rather quiet as we speak. It's the radicalists that are a problem, NOT Muslims.

Radical Christians can be just as bad.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

I agree with penguin get rid of the muslims and put them all in the Middle East where they belong and everything be normal again.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 3/18/07 08:49 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Ugh, poor catholics, they always have it from someone else. What did they do? Not allow divorce.

It's a corruption issue, 14th century catholic church used financial insentive to allow for individuals to be cleansed away from sin. Even more zealous christians took offense, so they protested, and formed PROTESTANTS! :D

I want the muslims to win, and i want every little christian in the uk to be burned alive.

[zzzzd]

At 4/1/07 09:43 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

I want the muslims to win, and i want every little christian in the uk to be burned alive.

Including catholics?

[LegendaryLukus]

There is definitely a clash of cultures in Britain at the moment, of that I have no doubt. But that is what is to be expected of a multicultural system. And to be honest, I wouldn't have it any other way!

There a lot of problems in British society at the moment, and I think many people would like to see Muslims, Immigrants etc as the ones to blame. However, I think we need to take a good long look at ourselves before we start pointing fingers.

[zzzzd]

Muslims clash with the country of England full stop.

Even our beautiful flag originates from the crusades.

[LegendaryLukus]

At 4/1/07 03:54 PM, zzzzd wrote: Muslims clash with the country of England full stop.

Is that a Daily Mail I hear?

[zzzzd]

At 4/1/07 04:03 PM, LegendaryLukus wrote:

At 4/1/07 03:54 PM, zzzzd wrote: Muslims clash with the country of England full stop.

Is that a Daily Mail I hear?

They don't exactly wave St Georges Cross

[LegendaryLukus]

At 4/1/07 04:28 PM, zzzzd wrote: They don't exactly wave St Georges Cross

They don't have to.

They made me take down my St George's cross once because someone was offended by it. Not the religious minorities fault, but the fault of the ultra PC

[zzzzd]

I imagine this will be our future flag

[Slizor]

Quick question: In terms of deaths, how many people does terrorism kill a year and what is that relatively speaking?

If you find the answer - what's the fuss?

[ViolentAJ]

At 4/1/07 08:49 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: I agree with penguin get rid of the muslims and put them all in the Middle East where they belong and everything be normal again.

You can do the same with Blacks anywhere in the world and everyone will be happy. Blacks are hated all over the world. I know this, because I am Black.

[cellardoor6]

At 4/1/07 08:49 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: I agree with penguin get rid of the muslims and put them all in the Middle East where they belong and everything be normal again.

You wanna like.... you know.. not use my sig? I only gave one person permission to use it, and he didn't even use my exact one.

So, feel free to make your own. Or if you want I'll make one for you, but don't steal my exact one, that's lame.

kthxbai

[Korriken]

At 4/1/07 08:34 PM, ViolentAJ wrote:

You can do the same with Blacks anywhere in the world and everyone will be happy. Blacks are hated all over the world. I know this, because I am Black.

its not really the person that most people hate, its usually the oversized ego and "ganster lifestyle" that many blacks try to live.

like when i was in school, if i accidently bumped into one they would get in my face and try to intimidate me. usually i just shrugged it off and walked away, of course, with time their ego would grow and, unfortunately, led to some fighting.

[Demosthenez]

At 4/1/07 01:25 AM, Tancrisism wrote: Not all of them believe that shit. Go read a book about Islam. Something that actually talks about true Islam, not what Osama Bin Laden brainwashed his followers to believe.

Here is the problem I have found from making statements like that. Dont get me wrong, I use to make them but since I have started studying Islam, I have begun to favor away from them.

We all know there is no supreme voice in Islam, no Caliph or Pope like figure. The Saudis seem to want to become this kind of figure, the way they literally export their ideology by funding madrassas, imams, mosques, and even traditional schools. This is not exactly the strain of Islam we Westerners would like but ehh. But that is immaterial to the point at hand, people in the Islamic community may be seeking to install this supreme voice for Muslims but it simply is not there now. So this "true Islam" is literally just the Islam that is acceptable in the West and to Westerners, not literally what learned Muslims see as the best form of Islam. Because let me tell you, there are plenty of learned Muslims that believe some of the most barbaric and ridiculous things out there.

So because of this diaspora of a supreme Islamic voice, there is simply no widespread authoritative voice in Islam. This leaves the local Imam or jurist the voice of "true Islam" to the people in his congregation or area. So the point I am getting at, there is no reason to preach the values of "True Islam" when we cant even quantify them or name them or name anyone who follows them. It is just a feel good way to absolve the true pricks in the Islamic world as an exception to the rule. They are not an exception to the rule, they ARE the rule.

Not all Muslims are radical, if that was so, why wouldn't we have a lot more violence in Iraq?

This is beyond a doubt true. But what portion of the stated minority IS radical and supports the radicals aims and methods? 1%? 5%? 10%? 20%? Even with the relatively low figure of 5% (in my belief) that is a SIGNIFICANT numerical minority in a religion of billions. Thats 50,000,000 people if Islam has simply a billion followers, larger than most European countries and larger than many states in the world.

The Kurds are still predominately Muslim, why aren't they procuring violence? Their portion of Iraq is rather quiet as we speak. It's the radicalists that are a problem, NOT Muslims.

I think the answer to the Kurdish question is because they identify themselves as Kurds first and Muslims second. I believe this is because syncretism has survived in their lands in a way that is all but gone in most Islamic countries nowadays. Or I could be pulling that out of my ass. But it is interesting to notice they do identify themselves as Kurds first, however, isnt it?

Radical Christians can be just as bad.

Historically, yes. But can we truly say that now with a straight face?

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 4/1/07 10:22 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 4/1/07 08:49 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: I agree with penguin get rid of the muslims and put them all in the Middle East where they belong and everything be normal again.

You wanna like.... you know.. not use my sig? I only gave one person permission to use it, and he didn't even use my exact one.

So, feel free to make your own. Or if you want I'll make one for you, but don't steal my exact one, that's lame.

kthxbai

Okay can you make me one or the Iranian flagf shooting behind the crib while the US soilder is in front of the crib I would love that.

[zzzzd]

At 4/3/07 04:09 PM, Gul-Dukat-DS9 wrote:

Where is the IRA and the skinheads when you need them?

What do you mean IRA!!!! they have killed more Catholics and more Protestants than any other terrorist group. They have nothing to do with Muslims.

Just vote BNP if your that predudice against them, they are 'leading a crusade' as they say.

[LegendaryLukus]

I bloody hate the BNP. Skinhead scum who can barely string a sentence together, the lot of them.
Oh and old people vote for them too of course, but that's just because they're old and racist.

[2wiceBorn]

At 4/3/07 04:09 PM, Gul-Dukat-DS9 wrote:

At 3/18/07 07:18 PM, Mister-Mind wrote:

Where is the IRA and the skinheads when you need them?

Virtually extinct. Funnily enough, both then formed political groups you can vote for.

[Jizzlebang]

At 3/18/07 08:28 PM, zzzzd wrote: And Muslims against the whole of the UK it seems.

All right, we might just get two birds with one stone.

Hey hoooo.....!

[chazeverest]

At 3/20/07 03:12 AM, fli wrote: There's cultural wars EVERYWHERE.

But... in some places, it's really heavy like some ghettos in Paris.
So... it really depends which group you're looking at.

Funnily enough the ghettos in France aren't in the Cities. The cities are very nice, they are in the so called suburbs. They are actually New Towns built just outside major cities and all built by the government. In the U.K. the new towns were built by the New Towns Commision just after the second world war. I spent many years in Harlow, which is 26 miles outside London. It was a nice place to live. Unlike our (USA's) projects people of all classes are entitled and make full use of governemnt built housing. Therefore you can have a bricklayer living next door to a teacher living next door to an architect etc etc. It was an attempt to rid Britain of it's classism, and to a great extent it worked.
The problem with the French New Towns is that they are used only for those at the lower end of the income scale and immigrants from North Africa. Thus they have become ghettos. The same as here in the U.S.

[troubles1]

I have to agree as we speak England is having lots of problems from it's Muslim population, many are calling for Muslim law there is a word for it but it slips me at the moment. I watched a special on CNN ABOUT THIS. They are protesting in the streets trying to get more people to use suicide and other terrorist tactics. saying that England has to change and adhere to Muslim law.

I am more and more coming to the conclusion That there is no place for Muslim people of Arab dissent in the Western world, they think that it is us who must change to suit there life not them who moved in to our countries who must conform to our laws.

I said Arab dissent for a reason I have a friend who moved his family here from Bosnia he was a solider who was a prisoner of war for 2 years. he is also Muslim yet when I would be home on leave we would go to titty Bars drink all night long talking about women. and because of his military experience we had a lot in common. His family and himself are like Christian's in America they are Americans first and their religion is what it is a religion but it is not something to blow yourself up over.
in-fact They make it very known they are not like Arab Muslims.

[LegendaryLukus]

This is ridiuclous! Many of you are judging the entire muslim population in Britain on the actions of a very small minority.