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As every day passes by, it becomes harder and harder to be a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and not be laughed at/mocked by those who simply know better than you...

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, admitted to those attacks and numerous others during a U.S. military hearing on Saturday, according to an edited transcript of the hearing released by the Pentagon Wednesday.

In a statement from him, read by a U.S. military representative, he said, "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z."

The transcript continues with the list of operations he was responsible for, including the Richard Reid shoe bomber attempt to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic Ocean, the Bali nightclub bombing in Indonesia, the 1993 World Trade Center attack and other attacks that were foiled.

The latter included surveying the Panama Canal for an attack to destroy it and surveying suspension bridges and high-rises in New York and Chicago, Illinois, to bring them down as well.

The list of some 29 operations he was responsible for is followed by a shorter list of operations he was partially responsible for, including an assassination attempt against then-Pope John Paul II while he was visiting the Philippines.

In a later part of the statement, Mohammed likened himself to George Washington as a revolutionary.

The verbatim translation in the transcript is not always clear.

"If now we were living in the Revolutionary War and George Washington he being arrested through Britain," it reads. "For sure he, they would consider him enemy combatant."
Mohammed: Sorry I killed kids

He made no apologies for what he has done, but he did express remorse for the death of children in the September 11 attacks.

"I don't like to kill people," he said. "I feel very sorry they been killed kids in 9/11."

Transcripts of two other detainees considered "high-value" by the U.S. government -- Abu Faraj al-Libi and Ramzi Bin al-Shibh -- were also issued Wednesday. Their hearings were held Friday. The three are part of a group of 14 detainees once held in secret CIA prisons but moved to Guantanamo Bay by President Bush in September.

All three hearings were held at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The three-member military panel hearings, unlike similar hearings in the past, were closed to the media and to the detainees' lawyers because of fears the detainees might divulge classified information, according to Pentagon officials.

Officials have said the hearings would last between two and three hours each, but it could take days or weeks to know what transpired, because the findings must be approved by higher military authorities.

The 14 detainees have been given military advisers but they are offering no legal assistance. Detainees are also given only an unclassified summary of the evidence against them but are allowed to have witnesses called in from out of the country to testify in their favor.

The hearings, called combatant status review tribunals, determine whether a detainee should be classified as an enemy combatant by the president to make them eligible for a military trial.

The hearings for the 14 are expected to last through April, according to Pentagon officials.

Pentagon officials said a total of six high-value detainees have now gone through these hearings. The names of the three others and the transcripts of their hearings have not yet been released.

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Well, it's nice to know he regrets killing children, at the very least, but he's still a soul-less bastard.

So what effect, if any, do you guys feel this will have on the political arena?


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At 3/14/07 11:35 PM, Grammer wrote: As every day passes by, it becomes harder and harder to be a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and not be laughed at/mocked by those who simply know better than you...

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/14/guantanamo.m ohammed/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, admitted to those attacks and numerous others during a U.S. military hearing on Saturday, according to an edited transcript of the hearing released by the Pentagon Wednesday.

Edited transcript...

In a statement from him, read by a U.S. military representative, he said, "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z."

The transcript continues with the list of operations he was responsible for, including the Richard Reid shoe bomber attempt to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic Ocean, the Bali nightclub bombing in Indonesia, the 1993 World Trade Center attack and other attacks that were foiled.

I think he would have claimed responsibility for other events too...

The latter included surveying the Panama Canal for an attack to destroy it and surveying suspension bridges and high-rises in New York and Chicago, Illinois, to bring them down as well.

The list of some 29 operations he was responsible for is followed by a shorter list of operations he was partially responsible for, including an assassination attempt against then-Pope John Paul II while he was visiting the Philippines.

In a later part of the statement, Mohammed likened himself to George Washington as a revolutionary.

The verbatim translation in the transcript is not always clear.

"If now we were living in the Revolutionary War and George Washington he being arrested through Britain," it reads. "For sure he, they would consider him enemy combatant."
Mohammed: Sorry I killed kids

Compare himself with an American? Wow.

He made no apologies for what he has done, but he did express remorse for the death of children in the September 11 attacks.

"I don't like to kill people," he said. "I feel very sorry they been killed kids in 9/11."

Heavily edited... doubt very much he would say 'kids'

Transcripts of two other detainees considered "high-value" by the U.S. government -- Abu Faraj al-Libi and Ramzi Bin al-Shibh -- were also issued Wednesday. Their hearings were held Friday. The three are part of a group of 14 detainees once held in secret CIA prisons but moved to Guantanamo Bay by President Bush in September.

All three hearings were held at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The three-member military panel hearings, unlike similar hearings in the past, were closed to the media and to the detainees' lawyers because of fears the detainees might divulge classified information, according to Pentagon officials.

Officials have said the hearings would last between two and three hours each, but it could take days or weeks to know what transpired, because the findings must be approved by higher military authorities.

The 14 detainees have been given military advisers but they are offering no legal assistance. Detainees are also given only an unclassified summary of the evidence against them but are allowed to have witnesses called in from out of the country to testify in their favor.

Anyone who testifies would be an accompliace or treated as one - hence no credability

The hearings, called combatant status review tribunals, determine whether a detainee should be classified as an enemy combatant by the president to make them eligible for a military trial.

Better than a millitary trials that were previously being held.

The hearings for the 14 are expected to last through April, according to Pentagon officials.

Pentagon officials said a total of six high-value detainees have now gone through these hearings. The names of the three others and the transcripts of their hearings have not yet been released.

Wow.. 6 people in 5 years (almost 6) very progressive.

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Well, it's nice to know he regrets killing children, at the very least, but he's still a soul-less bastard.

So what effect, if any, do you guys feel this will have on the political arena?

Positive for the current administration. But it doesn't really accomplish anything. In all honesty it is not even a footnote in this saga.
As for the cleric - he is having regrets AND comparing himself to Americans, a sign of desparation. He doesn't want to die.

I am not America bashing above, let me be clear on that - but 5 years to get that in a statement - and release it doesn't impress me at all. It is being used puerly as a distraction tool (and a weak one too)


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At 3/15/07 12:33 AM, deslona wrote:
At 3/14/07 11:35 PM, Grammer wrote: As every day passes by, it becomes harder and harder to be a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and not be laughed at/mocked by those who simply know better than you...

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/14/guantanamo.m ohammed/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, admitted to those attacks and numerous others during a U.S. military hearing on Saturday, according to an edited transcript of the hearing released by the Pentagon Wednesday.
Edited transcript...

Yeah, what's your point? It's not like they took what he said and twisted it around. Unlike 9/11 conspiracy theorists, I actually trust our military.

The 14 detainees have been given military advisers but they are offering no legal assistance. Detainees are also given only an unclassified summary of the evidence against them but are allowed to have witnesses called in from out of the country to testify in their favor.
Anyone who testifies would be an accompliace or treated as one - hence no credability

explainlogicninjerplz

Pentagon officials said a total of six high-value detainees have now gone through these hearings. The names of the three others and the transcripts of their hearings have not yet been released.
Wow.. 6 people in 5 years (almost 6) very progressive.

It says six "high-value" detainees, not six detainees overall.

It is being used puerly as a distraction tool (and a weak one too)

Got proof of that?


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At 3/15/07 12:59 AM, Grammer wrote:
At 3/15/07 12:33 AM, deslona wrote: Edited transcript...
Yeah, what's your point? It's not like they took what he said and twisted it around. Unlike 9/11 conspiracy theorists, I actually trust our military.
The 14 detainees have been given military advisers but they are offering no legal assistance. Detainees are also given only an unclassified summary of the evidence against them but are allowed to have witnesses called in from out of the country to testify in their favor.
Anyone who testifies would be an accompliace or treated as one - hence no credability
explainlogicninjerplz

Okay, I have been captured by the USA and held for 3 years or so in prison on 'terrorist charges'. No contact with the outside world and very little information on the goings on in it.
I have been offered to go and get some of my friends to testify for me in court.

If I was a terrorist - I wouldn't call my 'friends' as that would make it so the US Govt. would put up surveillance on them.

If I wasn't a terrorist - Those friends/family of mine who would still support me after the hassle of being brought into the media spotlight and having their backgrounds checked and possibly bugged etc.. As they would be checked (for good reason) for terrorist links themselves. I would understand that they wouldn't want the attention.

Either way, you can only ask for character refrences, as you do not have a formal list of charges you cannot really prepare any kind of defence.

Pentagon officials said a total of six high-value detainees have now gone through these hearings. The names of the three others and the transcripts of their hearings have not yet been released.
Wow.. 6 people in 5 years (almost 6) very progressive.
It says six "high-value" detainees, not six detainees overall.

Noted*

It is being used puerly as a distraction tool (and a weak one too)
Got proof of that?

No, I don't. Only circumstantial. But the current administration is sliding and with the current scandals it is common (all govts do this) to bring any good news to the media. I do not fault them on this. I would do it. My point is that this information isn't new or anything to be excited over.


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That's not all he's been up to as well....

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confesses


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C'mon, they have been torturing they guy for years ffs, of course he admitted to it. Not that I think it was a conspiracy, just that confessions under torture and indefinite imprisonment are hardly rock solid reliable.


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This is what one calls an overabundance of confessions.

(very poorly translated i might add)


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At 3/16/07 02:46 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: This is what one calls an overabundance of confessions.

(very poorly translated i might add)

Didn't he also admit to letting the dogs out and being Dr. Feelgood?

Or am I have been watching the Daily Show way to much lately?

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At 3/16/07 02:46 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: This is what one calls an overabundance of confessions.

(very poorly translated i might add)

Do you have any good reason to be skeptical of his confessions?

And why do you believe the translations were poor?


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At 3/15/07 07:47 PM, emmytee wrote: C'mon, they have been torturing they guy for years ffs, of course he admitted to it.

Can you prove that he's been tortured?


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At 3/15/07 01:28 AM, deslona wrote:
If I was a terrorist - I wouldn't call my 'friends' as that would make it so the US Govt. would put up surveillance on them.

It'd be nice if you could prove that.


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At 3/16/07 03:13 PM, Grammer wrote:
At 3/15/07 07:47 PM, emmytee wrote:
Can you prove that he's been tortured?

No one can proove it in either way.

Whether he was or wasn't.

Hell, even the testimony was heavily edited as well.

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At 3/16/07 03:37 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: Hell, even the testimony was heavily edited as well.

We know it was edited, I assume for translation purposes, but to what degree? We don't know.


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At 3/16/07 03:41 PM, Grammer wrote:
At 3/16/07 03:37 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:
We know it was edited, I assume for translation purposes, but to what degree? We don't know.

Thats the point.

We don't have enough information yet.

While all indicators are pointing to the O.K, I'll reserve my judgement.

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At 3/15/07 12:56 PM, Loch-Ness-Monster wrote: That's not all he's been up to as well....

Mother of god.

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At 3/16/07 03:36 PM, Memorize wrote:
At 3/15/07 01:28 AM, deslona wrote:
If I was a terrorist - I wouldn't call my 'friends' as that would make it so the US Govt. would put up surveillance on them.
It'd be nice if you could prove that.

Prove me wrong.
You can't.
It has been done before to some extent by all countries, whether it is legal or not is irrelevent. Asking to prove it is just ignorant. There have been cases of it before. The technology is used and was deveoloped BY the USA for the purpose of finding, and tracking individuals.

I quote...

// The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

I believe it would be common sense for the a govenment to do at least a background check on any contacts with a possbile terrorist.. And if they are contacted again, depending on the scenario - a degree of surveillance.

As I said, prove me wrong - you can't


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At 3/17/07 01:42 AM, deslona wrote:
Prove me wrong.

You made the statement first. It's up to you to provide it. Or are you not sure how this works?

It has been done before to some extent by all countries, whether it is legal or not is irrelevent. Asking to prove it is just ignorant.

And yet... you still can't. Way to go.

There have been cases of it before. The technology is used and was deveoloped BY the USA for the purpose of finding, and tracking individuals.

Ok, can you tell me of an American citizen who was taken from their home and tortured?

As I said, prove me wrong - you can't

It must be nice living in your little fantasy world isn't it? Let me spell this out for you.

YOU came into this topic making allegations.
YOU provided no source to these allegations.
YOU are the one responsible for proving your allegations.

Now don't come back til you do.


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These are all lies!

Don't you see?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammad is really just a Zionist Jew pretending to be a terrorist in order to help Bushitler maintain the 9/11 myth so that America can continue to drain the middle east of all its oil and continue to feed on the blood of innocent muslims...

Seriously!

And you know what? Daniel Pearl, the man that Mohammad supposedly beheaded... he's really alive and he lives in the White House. The tape showing him being killed was really just CGI, and you know who created that CGI footage? Dick Cheney, who in case you didn't know is actually a robot...

If you don't believe me then you are a corporate-serving Zionist fool.

ahem sarcasm

Yay, Obama won. Let's thank his supporters:
-The compliant mainstream media for their pro-Obama propaganda.
-Black Panthers for their intimidation of voters.

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4 years in captivity, that's a long time. Hell, that's even long enough to build a confession.


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At 3/17/07 08:31 AM, bcdemon wrote: 4 years in captivity, that's a long time. Hell, that's even long enough to build a confession.

I find it personally sickening you'd sooner believe this is a "built" confession, rather than coming to the realization that he's a simply a sick man, who killed 3,000 people.


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At 3/15/07 12:56 PM, Loch-Ness-Monster wrote: That's not all he's been up to as well....

omg i almost crapped my pants
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At 3/17/07 11:26 AM, Grammer wrote:
At 3/17/07 08:31 AM, bcdemon wrote: 4 years in captivity, that's a long time. Hell, that's even long enough to build a confession.
I find it personally sickening you'd sooner believe this is a "built" confession, rather than coming to the realization that he's a simply a sick man, who killed 3,000 people.

lol chill out. I was simply throwing it out there. Anything is possible in a time of war.


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At 3/17/07 01:55 AM, Memorize wrote:
At 3/17/07 01:42 AM, deslona wrote:
Prove me wrong.
You made the statement first. It's up to you to provide it. Or are you not sure how this works?

About forced confessions? I believe that he is a bad guy and most of the things he said are probably true. But I am also adding that some other things he said my have been made in addition under pressure. (or edited out for security reasons)
As for proof? What do you think I am? In the room?
Stop pretending.

There are pleanty of torture videos on the net of US soldiers and other torturing people and that was for fun (Alot of these are fake too). I am not using them as proof, just that a standard has been set elsewhere.

It has been done before to some extent by all countries, whether it is legal or not is irrelevent. Asking to prove it is just ignorant.
And yet... you still can't. Way to go.

Other countries do survellience on their citizens. You think it is something you keep in the open?
www.asio.gov.au/ - Australia
http://www.nzsis.govt.nz/ - New Zealand
And so on...
Part of the mandate of these organisations by nature is discretion.

There have been cases of it before. The technology is used and was deveoloped BY the USA for the purpose of finding, and tracking individuals.
Ok, can you tell me of an American citizen who was taken from their home and tortured?

What the hell are you talking about? I am talking about survalliance. Not torture.

If you want proof of that look here http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12771821/site/new sweek/ and http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/
article/2005/11/26/AR2005112600857.html
the American news reports are fairly easy to find.

And not all the people that live in America are Americans you know. And there are cases that people HAVE been taken from their homes (on other charges) you want proof of that too? FBI drug raid? No I don't want to get into individual cases on a broad enough topic as is.

As I said, prove me wrong - you can't
It must be nice living in your little fantasy world isn't it? Let me spell this out for you.

Well, you must feel so good now with the fantasy line. Attack the ideas or shutup. I'll debate while you are civil.


YOU came into this topic making allegations.

Yes

YOU provided no source to these allegations.

Just did, myself and a few internet links from google. More can be found - trust me.

YOU are the one responsible for proving your allegations.

Fair enough.

Now don't come back til you do.

Okay, now you show me evidence that America has NEVER tortured anyone, America never keeps surveillence on its' citizens and that keeps no double standards.

YOU came into this topic making a rebuttle.
YOU provided no source to the rebuttle.

I'd like to remind you that I do not believe this is an issue to be exicted about. This is not new news. The US has had this man in captivity for years. We knew everything before now.


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At 3/18/07 02:33 AM, deslona wrote:
Stop pretending.

Stop pretending like you know.

There are pleanty of torture videos on the net of US soldiers and other torturing people and that was for fun (Alot of these are fake too). I am not using them as proof, just that a standard has been set elsewhere.

Then quit acting like it.

Other countries do survellience on their citizens. You think it is something you keep in the open?

I know that. It's common.

What the hell are you talking about? I am talking about survalliance. Not torture.

Considering this man was claiming he was tortured, why would you feel as if I felt you weren't?

And not all the people that live in America are Americans you know. And there are cases that people HAVE been taken from their homes (on other charges) you want proof of that too? FBI drug raid?

You can't compare an FBI drug raid to some innocent person who was forcibley taken because of suspected terrorist ties. I asked for that kind of case. A case where as a result of the patriot act, an American citizen was forcibley taken from their home, an innocent citizen.

Well, you must feel so good now with the fantasy line. Attack the ideas or shutup. I'll debate while you are civil.

Heh, and yet you keep on blabbering.

Okay, now you show me evidence that America has NEVER tortured anyone, America never keeps surveillence on its' citizens and that keeps no double standards.

I never claimed that. I said I wanted proof of an Innocent American being forcibley taken from their home and possibley tortured. I wanted you to provide evidence that this terrorist was tortured. You have yet to provide proof for any of that.


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At 3/18/07 03:35 AM, Memorize wrote: No content

And not all the people that live in America are Americans you know. And there are cases that people HAVE been taken from their homes (on other charges) you want proof of that too? FBI drug raid?
You can't compare an FBI drug raid to some innocent person who was forcibley taken because of suspected terrorist ties.

Why not? Not patronizing at all - and do not take this question like it is, but why not?
They would be taken (I am guessing - I do not know) By the same organisation (CIA? FBI?) These organisations have been empowered by the patriot act and other since 9/11.

I asked for that kind of case. A case where as a result of the patriot act, an American citizen was forcibley taken from their home, an innocent citizen.

They wouldn't be taken if they were innocent would they? I am saying that a person may not want to be associated with a 'suspected' terrorist. I made no refrence to someone being taken from home - READ THE POSTS!

Well, you must feel so good now with the fantasy line. Attack the ideas or shutup. I'll debate while you are civil.
Heh, and yet you keep on blabbering.

Goading doesn't work on me.

Okay, now you show me evidence that America has NEVER tortured anyone, America never keeps surveillence on its' citizens and that keeps no double standards.
I never claimed that.

Then stop acting like you are.

I said I wanted proof of an Innocent American being forcibley taken from their home and possibley tortured.

Even if proof existed no-one would be able to find that. But it cannot be disproved either. Personally I would like America to be 'perfect' but it isn't true

I wanted you to provide evidence that this terrorist was tortured. You have yet to provide proof for any of that.

No proof, no evidence. None at all. Merely hypothesizing and you know it.


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