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At 3/17/07 08:53 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

IF the experiments conducted on the animals, is as an end result trying to determine if a product/surgical technique is ok for people. Using a person already will remove any doubt that say a rat can be cured but for some reason a human rejects the cure.

And using a human first places a human life in danger. The procedure is untested, testing on say a rat first, allows the possibility of preventable death due to a common cause to be removed. IE if the rat dies from some affliction that humans will also die from then you dont go ahead.

We no longer have to torure innocent creatures.
I mean I have no problem killing them & eating the tasty little bastards, but I don't believe torturing them is right.

Its only torture in the eyes of the extremeist groups and their lazy, innactive supporters. You know the ones, all the people that will say animal testing is torture if it comes up in debate but dont actually do anything about it.
Anyway, people with half a brain see it as medical research. I think that all these animal rights hippies should be denied medication that was tested on animals. Lets see how torturous they find it when they are dying of cancer and cant get treated.

Criminals who are proven beyond any doubt & are on death row could be used to serve a greater good.
There was a great deal of scientific research done on humans by the Nazi's.
Much of what we know about how a human submerged in cold water & how hypothermia affects a body (different weights, gender etc.) was carried out by the Nazi researchers usually killing the subject.
This info was later used (by us) to make better life rafts & immersion suits .
Medical experimentation on wounds, reattaching limbs etc. was conducted using a human gave better more exact results.

After all, if all your going to do to someone is inject them with a lethal cocktail of drugs to stop their heart, why not use them for a better end result.
I'm not saying to torture them & leave them screaming in pain (not that they don't actually deserve that) treat them just like any terminally ill patient is treated.
Pain management, & conduct the experimentation that could better serve your fellow man down the road.
They (murderers) have a debt to society they can never repay. You cannot as of yet bring back a dead person. But maybe by having experimented on these murders who are only going to be killled anyway, they can be apart of breakthru's that can serve mankind in the future.

Wait for the cries of 8th ammendment to come in now. Why should criminals be given rights, when they dont respect others right to life?
Dont put in "cause the 8th ammendment says so". I want a reason.

At 3/17/07 11:55 AM, Boltrig wrote:

Wait for the cries of 8th ammendment to come in now. Why should criminals be given rights, when they dont respect others right to life?
Dont put in "cause the 8th ammendment says so". I want a reason.

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Fuck the 8th amendment.
It is an amendment to your original constitution.
It Is F'in Simple. amend the damn document again, or amend the amendment.
Also I'm Canadian I haven't got an 8th amendment to contend with. I've got something worse!
No matter who or how many you kill in this damn country all you get (the Max) is 25 years.
Then you become eligible for a parol hearing.
I believe we do have a goverment or dangerous offender status, menas you stay locked up but nothing like death row.
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As to useing a rat first, I'd rather see the B.T.K. tested on than any rat, hell I'd rather see that piece of work infected with the plague, than step on an ant myself.

Most of the 'for sure' without a doubt murderers do not deserve any consideration of any kind.