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Im from NY and i hate my goverment and i hate war i hate america for what it stands for but i love this land when it was pure before european influence...america is not a country of americans it is a melting pot of diffrent cultures and ethnic groups all whom i love but this goverment will never let the people get along with eachother.

At 5/5/03 03:54 PM, nitroxide wrote: when it was pure before european influence...america is not a country of americans it is a melting pot of diffrent cultures and ethnic groups all whom i love but this goverment will never let the people get along with eachother.

1. So you enjoy native Americans?
2. Americans in America are Americans
3. Americans are a " melting pot of diffrent cultures and ethnic groups ", not this lump you can just badmouth vagrantly.
4. The government does allow for people to get along, it's called the first amendment.

I am anti-american. What does that mean? I despise the way America controls the world media and how America is more than willing to liberate the people of a country which is bursting with oil but couldn't care less about other countries who live under a dictatorship and how the genocide of the natives has been disney-fied in ever history book found in every school in america. Does that mean I'm anti-american? No, of course not a lot of Americans are anti-america but they're called anarchists, only when someone isn't american are they singled out for their anti-capitalist and anti-colonial views.

At 5/5/03 04:26 PM, kanentien wrote: the genocide of the natives has been disney-fied in ever history book found in every school in america.

Do you read a lot of american textbooks up there Canuck.

Lets get one thing straight. Everyone in the world is stereotypical, whether they want to be or not. Badass was just defending the point that not all americans are psycho, arrogant, rich fucks. It's definitely not true.

At 5/5/03 06:33 PM, Shih wrote:

At 5/5/03 04:26 PM, kanentien wrote:

Do you read a lot of american textbooks up there Canuck.

Speaking of Canuck, i greatly enjoy watching the Vancouver Canucks play hockey... as well as their eastern counterparts the Ottawa Senators, wich are kicking phillys ass!

At 5/5/03 09:20 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

At 5/5/03 06:33 PM, Shih wrote:

Speaking of Canuck, i greatly enjoy watching the Vancouver Canucks play hockey... as well as their eastern counterparts the Ottawa Senators, wich are kicking phillys ass!

You would cheer the Canucks Shrike.
Go Wild!
Go Manny!

errr.....thats not shrike.....

At 5/5/03 04:26 PM, kanentien wrote: I am anti-american. What does that mean? I despise the way America controls the world media and how America is more than willing to liberate the people of a country which is bursting with oil but couldn't care less about other countries who live under a dictatorship and how the genocide of the natives has been disney-fied in ever history book found in every school in america. Does that mean I'm anti-american? No, of course not a lot of Americans are anti-america

but they're called anarchists, only when someone isn't american are they singled out for their anti-capitalist and anti-colonial views.

Ever seen what saddam does to his people, he also helped fund the attack on thousands of innocent people in the world trade center (including you canadians). There were all different nationalities in those buildings, tell that to someone's family who died in the attack. Haven't you seen the happiness on the peoples faces who were liberated in Iraq.

At 5/5/03 11:05 PM, AmericanBADASS wrote:

Ever seen what saddam does to his people, he also helped fund the attack on thousands of innocent people in the world trade center (including you canadians). There were all different nationalities in those buildings, tell that to someone's family who died in the attack. Haven't you seen the happiness on the peoples faces who were liberated in Iraq.

Jeez, you'd think that the pro-Bush people would get just slightly disillusioned after being completely manipulated by his and his administrations lies. But still some people won't let go of the BS.

"Saddam = Osama = 9/11"

Or: "We can't find WoMD = Saddam the efficient capitalist manager has them hidden in just-in-time production"

Or: "500 people in a city the size of Los Angeles celebrated the fall of Saddam = the whole country is overjoyed with their new master Halliburton"

All lies I'm afraid.

At 5/5/03 10:13 PM, Jiperly wrote: errr.....thats not shrike.....

Sorry popinfresh my bad.

Ever seen what saddam does to his people?

Ever seen what WE did to his people? This may shock you, but America has caused the death of more Iraq civilians in 20 years than Saddam has in his entire reign. For example, what about the "contaminated water incident," in which America restricted clean water to all Iraqi individuals even though this caused almost a million of them to die (about 500,000 thousand of them were children alone and 5,000 die each year due to the diseases caused by that incident still). Check out this link: http://www.progressive.org/0901/nagy0901.html or you can even try here: http://www.michaelmoore.com/
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He also helped fund the attack on thousands of innocent people in the world trade center (including you canadians). There were all different nationalities in those buildings, tell that to someone's family who died in the attack.

Actually, Saddam didn't fund 9/11 at all. In fact, they never even said that on TV. They were talking about how he "might have" for a while, but in case you stopped tuning in, they already talked about how they proved that rumor wrong.

However, guess who did greaty fund the Taliban (including giving them weapons), and helped get them in power?

Bush Sr. (when we was head of the CIA during his reign). They originally wanted the Taliban in to take down the Zuraki government in Afghanistan. And there IS proof that Bush Sr. did this.

In fact, the only person who tried to talk about this on TV, Jeremy Glick, was a member of the family of someone who died in the attack. And, for your information, he was kicked off for making the reporter, Bill O'Reilly, literally look stupid (lol), and because it was "bad publicity" for the war.

He is also a member of a group of some families of 9/11 victims who feel the same way, called "Peaceful Tommorrow." All these people are also against the war for the same reason (one reason is that the US, namely Bush Sr and Jr, supported the attack on 9/11).

So, if you "tell that to someone's family who died in the attack," I don't think they'd mind. lol.

Here is where you can find more information on that: "We Decide, You Shut Up," an interview made on The O'Reilly Factor, Fox News, printed out in Harpers.

Also, "our" Bush temporarily halted the FBI investigations surrounding the attack on 9/11 just to try to finish up negotiations his father started with the Taliban for an oil pipeline through Afghanistan into the Central Asian oil supply so that we wouldn't have to purchase it from Russia. If he hadn't done this, then Osama might not have gotten away. The ironic thing is that during this exact time, he was giving his famous "we will not negotiate with terrorists" speech. In fact, the Bush administration threatened the Taliban with war if they didn't conceed to the pipeline. If the Taliban had conceeded to this, then we may not have gone to war at all.

Here are some more links on that:
"Bush thwarted FBI probe against bin Ladens," Hindustan Times
AFP
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/bush_twarted.htm
"BUSHLADEN"
by Jared Israel [8 October 2001]
Includes report from the 'Wall Street Journal'
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen.htm
CNN, AMERICAN MORNING WITH PAULA ZAHN, "Explosive New Book Published in France Alleges that U.S. Was in Negotiations to Do a Deal with Taliban." http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0201/08/ltm.05.html
"Osama Bin Ladin joined a Secret Energy Commisson meeting of Senators and Oil execs."
http://www.gwbush.com/archive/index2-5-02.shtml
Judicial Watch: Bush/bin Laden Connection "has now turned into a scandal!"
Comment by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/jw.htm
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Haven't you seen the happiness on the peoples faces who were liberated in Iraq.

No, I haven't.

I've only seen them causing riots and throwing things at American soldiers.

In fact, in one incident, our "brave soldiers" fired into the crowd, killing 9, in a Baghdad version of the "Boston Massacre."

Why is it when the British did that to us in the Botson Massacre, then "they're bad," but when we did it to the Iraqi people, then it's "serves them right?"
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And yes, that's a real picture. lol.

Hm...I don't know why, but I liked the opening to that last post very much.

"Ever seen what Saddam did to his people?"
"Ever seen what WE did to his people?"

YEAH NINJA! All of her points were good.I especially like that boston tea party comparison. I heard about that o'reilly factor incident too, i read the transcripts and all and jeremy glick did make o'reilly look like an ass. Yo Ninja, do you know how to reply to a post because al of the quoted text in your poests are in whit also. Just click on the "reply to post" button.

Oh well, goes to show you what propaganda and patriotism can do to a country.

Yo Ninja, do you know how to reply to a post because al of the quoted text in your poests are in whit also. Just click on the "reply to post" button.

Ooops. I know now. @_o' Thanks.

At 5/6/03 05:45 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Yo Ninja, do you know how to reply to a post because al of the quoted text in your poests are in whit also. Just click on the "reply to post" button.

Ooops. I know now. @_o' Thanks.

Grrr. It didn't work. Sorry folks. Let me just try once more. >_<'

Sheesh, I pulled a "Charlie Gordan."

At 5/6/03 02:04 AM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Ever seen what saddam does to his people?

Ever seen what WE did to his people?

I just read that contaminated water link for the first time. the article CLEARLY states that those were UN sanctions that caused the shortages of water purification supplies. While the article did prove the US knew about the problem, it was the UN that passed the sanctions. Therefore IT WAS THE UN that "killed Iraqi children" with unclean water. That example is a complete load.

Blame the whole UN, not just the US, or dont use the example at all.

At 5/6/03 11:51 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 5/6/03 02:04 AM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Ever seen what saddam does to his people?

Ever seen what WE did to his people?

I just read that contaminated water link for the first time. the article CLEARLY states that those were UN sanctions that caused the shortages of water purification supplies. While the article did prove the US knew about the problem, it was the UN that passed the sanctions. Therefore IT WAS THE UN that "killed Iraqi children" with unclean water. That example is a complete load.

Blame the whole UN, not just the US, or dont use the example at all.

*sigh* The US was the one who presented this to the UN in the first place (it was our idea). That's what most of the documents are about (presenting it to the UN). Just like we had to "present this war" to the UN before we went ahead with it. It's our war, but we "needed" the backing of other countries and groups (like the UN) before we did it. We had to present the contaminated water issue to the UN, before we were allowed to impose the sanctions on Iraq.

"Documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway."

true and false
and i can't be arsed to explain why.

There was a very good point made some time back, and it was that while the world would love to think of Americans as ignorant, selfish, fat-assed arrogant sons of bitches, somehow it's improper for us to think Canadians wear plaid. Or to believe that all the British are jolly good chaps who like a nice spot of earl grey in the p.m.. We cannot think all muslims are radical terrorists. We cannot even start to poke fun at France, it's just improper.

The problem here, is that we don't think all Canadians wear plaid. Only hicks think the British are half as refined as they're stereotyped to be. The only Americans weary of Islam are radical right-wingers. But we sure loooooove having a field day with France. Call it tradition.

There is a substantial group of newgrounders who are staunchly anti-american. This has always confused me. The very fact that you entertain these delusions that we Americans are idiots, that we're all pop-star wannabes and couch-potatoes frankly makes me sick, because you come to the newgrounds to watch movies and laugh. You pay tribute to American culture every single time you point your browser in this direction. Newgrounds is a celebration of the true American spirit.

Freedom of speech is key to this site. Many corporations and non-profit organizations as well as a long line of politicians around the globe would like to see this site closed forever. Newgrounds is a thorn in their side.

Anti-American posters who taint the eyes of every reader with their verbal diarrhea (quite literally.... I never imagined english grammar could be so hard to grasp) make me sick because they accuse us of being idiots brainwashed by American media. They never stop to think the only reason they believe this is because they once or twice heard or saw someone go on a rant about some American policy while reading the paper or watching TV.

Some idiot stumbled in here a couple weeks ago and started complaining about how religious America is. He made completely unfounded statements like:

And I can't believe how prudish some Americans are. Parents protest against naked armpits. Protests against abortion or porn movies are not rare.

Ok, I can see the abortion bit being true. But that's a small and overly vocal minority.

And nude armpits? OMG!!!!!!!!! SOMEBODY MUST WARN TEH PRESIDENT!!!!!!1!!1

Later on, after pretty much being hit over the head with the reality stick, he said:

Why are you taking the fun away in bashing America? You're not supposed to be arguing. I was expecting an American to say 'OMG U SUX0RZ!!11'

Then just six minutes later, he went further:

When I started this thread, I had no intention to in any way insult Americans.

He pretty much wanted to brow beat an idiot American. What he got instead was a thread full of intelligent people debunking every baseless accusation he made.

I am sick of being lumped in with the hillbillies and rednecks. Perhaps it would make the situation better to assume the only foreigners that visit this site are eurotrash, terrorists and sweat-shop workers.

BAH!!!!!!!

I'm sick of all of these petty generalizations and stereotypes.

Why can't we all just get along?
Why can't you just grow a fucking brain?

Anti-Americans should get the fuck out. Homo bands like Anti-Flag and other stupid punk-rock bands are pointless and wrong. You cant change the way our contry's run. Sothe man is right,accept our politics or get out. You think your life influences a contry?
think again, no one cares of ones opinion.

On the other hand, I wouldn't go so far as to say we're always right. We aren't.

I'm mainly sick of the whole pot calling the kettle black syndrome. The uninformed claiming we're ignorant.

At 5/7/03 02:26 AM, RusselCrowShow wrote: Anti-Americans should get the fuck out.

um... wasnt america founded on the principles of saying what you want regardless of if it was in the majority's opinion or not?

Homo bands like Anti-Flag and other stupid punk-rock bands are pointless and wrong.

saddam had the same views you do... although after he said that, then he killed the other people...

You cant change the way our contry's run.

its called voting... welcome to democracy (well actually republic but either way its the same thing)

Sothe man is right,accept our politics or get out. You think your life influences a contry?

hitler, stalin, saddam and you all have that same logic... i find that most odd...

think again, no one cares of ones opinion.

yeah, if they dont agree with ya i say we kill 'em...

see how everything you said goes against the first amendment, as your trying to tell people if they dont like it leave... the point of it is too be able to change things...

Well, I go on a rant, and I get followed up by an arrogant idiotic american.... The irony is unbearable...

Thanks for pointing all that stuff out karasz, I didn't see him post.

At 5/5/03 06:33 PM, Shih wrote:

At 5/5/03 04:26 PM, kanentien wrote: the genocide of the natives has been disney-fied in ever history book found in every school in america.

Do you read a lot of american textbooks up there Canuck.

NO but why would the content of one history book differ from another since it's the same history? Or at least what you've been is history. Search for the Wounded Knee massacre or "incident" on google or something and see how America is the land of the free built of the blood of natives and the backs of african slaves. Of course, Canada isn't any different. I hate every country equally.

At 5/7/03 02:26 AM, RusselCrowShow wrote:

Anti-Flag and other stupid punk-rock bands are pointless and
Your not gonna get your point through by calling people names, beside anti-flag is good

think again, no one cares of ones opinion.

Then why should we care about yours?

At 5/7/03 02:26 AM, RusselCrowShow wrote: Anti-Americans should get the fuck out. Homo bands like Anti-Flag and other stupid punk-rock bands are pointless and wrong.

What about those country singers, like that guy that sings "courtesy of the red, white and blue"?i though so.

At 5/7/03 02:26 AM, RusselCrowShow wrote: Anti-Americans should get the fuck out. Homo bands like Anti-Flag and other stupid punk-rock bands are pointless and wrong. You cant change the way our contry's run. Sothe man is right,accept our politics or get out. You think your life influences a contry?
think again, no one cares of ones opinion.

if anybody is Anti-American its YOU. DO you not realize that the United States Constitution, states in Amendment I, that every american has the right to free speech. You have the right to say assinine, ignorant things, I have the right to speak out against my government. "accept our politics or get out" what are you talking about? if you mean accept democracy or leave, then i think i'll stay. because in a democracy I have many rights that i would not have in other countries. if you mean accept right wing ideology or leave, then i'll leave because that would make America a fascist regime, but i'm assuming thats what you want. But since America is the land of the free, i have nothing to worry about. There is a HUGE differnce between loving you country and loving your government. I love my country, i do not love my government. i dont hate my government either. rather i am upset at the way our government chooses to deal with certain issues, and will openly criticize that which i feel is in need of criticism. Do you pay attention in history class or were you home sick the day your class learned that this country was founded by a group of individuals who did not want to "accept" one set of politics. individuals who did care about other peoples opinions. individuals who wanted everyone in thier country to change it if deemed neccessary. to quote President Lincoln, this is a country founded "by the people, for the people, of the people". i love my country as does the people who either agree with our government or dissagrees. Unfortunatly, i highly doubt you love this country, simply because your idea of america is not of a free nation, but of a totalitarian state. i recomend you do some research on America, you'll find that your statements, and your mindset is hypocritical, and un-american.

At 5/5/03 11:41 PM, Crack_Smoker wrote: Or: "We can't find WoMD = Saddam the efficient capitalist manager has them hidden in just-in-time production"

Crack.... U.N. weapons inspectors took five YEARS to find WOMD after the Gulf war, and only WITH high circumsatnstial evidence. Do people think that any weapons site would have a "WOMD storage, so that the enemy knows where it is, and can bomb it!" sign? Please, it's not like you need some huge site to produce and store WOMD, any building will do.

Or: "500 people in a city the size of Los Angeles celebrated the fall of Saddam = the whole country is overjoyed with their new master Halliburton"

Sources please.

At 5/7/03 03:59 PM, kanentien wrote:

At 5/5/03 06:33 PM, Shih wrote:

At 5/5/03 04:26 PM, kanentien wrote: the genocide of the natives has been disney-fied in ever history book found in every school in america.

Do you read a lot of american textbooks up there Canuck.

NO but why would the content of one history book differ from another since it's the same history? Or at least what you've been is history. Search for the Wounded Knee massacre or "incident" on google or something and see how America is the land of the free built of the blood of natives and the backs of african slaves. Of course, Canada isn't any different. I hate every country equally.

I was just pointing out the fact that this post seemed to be indicating that American textbooks are different form other nations. (And yes I'm sure that in some way they are) From what I remember of High school history pretty much everything I read in the text admitted that yes the actions of the goverment at the time these actions (such as Wounded Knee)were horrible and bloody, I don't think many people would disagree with you on that. I just don't remember a textbook saying Pocahontas had a racoon or whatever running around with her, American texts are not written by Disney contrary to public opinion elsewhere in the world. Thats all I meant.