How to end gun deaths

[Nylo]

Incorporate the following for a three-year period in a state and observe whether gun-deaths drop and what the effects are on society:

1. Develop weapons that "incapacitate" to the fullest extent of non-lethality and make them standard technology in all firearms use.

2. Replace all internal combustion weapons (ICWs) that are handheld for a non-lethal replacement. All ICWs will be confiscated by proper authorities.

3. Failure to comply with the previous point is violation of the law and subject to legal action.

4. Crimes committed with non-lethal weapons are subject to current gun laws. But crimes committed with lethal weapons are massively increased in punishment level.

[zendahl]

So you think that a twenty dolar stun gun is an equal replacement for my five hundred dollar pistol? Right. If such a stupid law ever came to being, I better damn well be compensated for my loss of property.

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/12/07 05:15 AM, Nylo wrote: Incorporate the following for a three-year period in a state and observe whether gun-deaths drop and what the effects are on society...

sounds like an entirely rational solution Dr Spock.

..or just compare crime rates with any country adopting such tighter gun controls.

[Korriken]

At 3/12/07 05:15 AM, Nylo wrote: Incorporate the following for a three-year period in a state and observe whether gun-deaths drop and what the effects are on society:

1. Develop weapons that "incapacitate" to the fullest extent of non-lethality and make them standard technology in all firearms use.

sounds good i suppose, but good luck selling it to people who already have guns

2. Replace all internal combustion weapons (ICWs) that are handheld for a non-lethal replacement. All ICWs will be confiscated by proper authorities.

good luck getting people to give up their guns, and what about the millions of stolen, home made, and otherwise unaccounted for guns? i smell british here...

3. Failure to comply with the previous point is violation of the law and subject to legal action.

4. Crimes committed with non-lethal weapons are subject to current gun laws. But crimes committed with lethal weapons are massively increased in punishment level.

lets see... murder.. life in prison or death penalty. how are you gonna masively increase that without going into cruel and unusual punishment?

the idea won't work. intentional gun deaths are 95% caused by criminals and 5% by law abiding citizens going completely insane, or in self defense.

"hey Mr. Drug Dealer, hand over the 9mm and take this stun gun instead!" *BOOM* you die.

[Menace1989]

first of all This law is unconstitutional in the US and probably wouldn't last long before the liberals shot it down.

second: What makes you think people will willing give up their guns, especially the non-law abiding citizens?

[Leeloo-Minai]

At 3/12/07 11:35 AM, Menace1989 wrote: first of all This law is unconstitutional in the US and probably wouldn't last long before the liberals shot it down.

second: What makes you think people will willing give up their guns, especially the non-law abiding citizens?

Didn't you read before? He said the proper people will do it. You know, them. The ones who can't do the job now, they'll do it then once they KNOW the perp won't have a gun, cuz guns will be illegal.

How is someone getting murdered with 2 minutes of stun gun any less of a crime than someone being shot in the head?

Some douche would eventually try to mug a person with a stun gun, the would-be muggee then would whip out his conceal-carry licensed .38 and shoot the guy. The would-be mugger sues, stating he only wanted to knock the man out with the stub gun, which is clearly a non-lethal weapon.

And then we have more of the good guys being punished for protecting himself and his property, within his Constitutional right, and now it's "wrong".

That's bullshit, I don't care how skinny and un-laid you are.

[Brick-top]

How are they not cool? Wonder what would happen if you got someone in the nuts.

[MortifiedPenguins]

Call me when this is actually realistic.

[Nylo]

At 3/12/07 11:35 AM, Menace1989 wrote: first of all This law is unconstitutional in the US and probably wouldn't last long before the liberals shot it down.

How's the law unconstitutional? Where in the proposition does it say you can't have a gun?

No one's saying you can't own one. You can't own one that's lethal. If you choose to keep it, you do so at your own risk. If you're caught comitting a crime with a lethal weapon and busted, you get severe charges for escalating unneccessary risk.

[Nylo]

At 3/12/07 05:55 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: sounds like an entirely rational solution Dr Spock.

..or just compare crime rates with any country adopting such tighter gun controls.

You're off the mark. Gun control laws restrict possession. No one's saying you can't have a gun. If the government confiscates your firearms legally, you get a non-lethal one of equal protection power.

[potheadj]

At 3/12/07 05:15 AM, Nylo wrote: Incorporate the following for a three-year period in a state and observe whether gun-deaths drop and what the effects are on society:

1. Develop weapons that "incapacitate" to the fullest extent of non-lethality and make them standard technology in all firearms use.

2. Replace all internal combustion weapons (ICWs) that are handheld for a non-lethal replacement. All ICWs will be confiscated by proper authorities.

3. Failure to comply with the previous point is violation of the law and subject to legal action.

4. Crimes committed with non-lethal weapons are subject to current gun laws. But crimes committed with lethal weapons are massively increased in punishment level.

you do understand that anything in the right hands can be used as a deadly weapon
uncluding but not limited to:
newspapers
crayons
pencils
pens
CDs
shoes
any kind of glass product

the list goes on
so what is your definition of a lethal weapon

[potheadj]

At 3/12/07 05:36 PM, Nylo wrote:

At 3/12/07 05:55 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: sounds like an entirely rational solution Dr Spock.

..or just compare crime rates with any country adopting such tighter gun controls.

You're off the mark. Gun control laws restrict possession. No one's saying you can't have a gun. If the government confiscates your firearms legally, you get a non-lethal one of equal protection power.

what the fuck is a nonlethal gun
and who is going to want those

look what happened in tijuana mexico
they gave all the cops sling shots because they were so corrupt

there is no way to limit weapons
they will always be there
no matter what laws are in place

[Texsk8er56]

At 3/12/07 01:15 PM, I-have-2-arms wrote: How are they not cool? Wonder what would happen if you got someone in the nuts.

they are uncool because it doesnt leave you with the safe feeling and you would have to replace them after using. plus lets say your a robber. you see someone that owns a gun your gonna be sacred not by a stun gun

[Proteas]

At 3/12/07 11:45 AM, Leeloo-Minai wrote: How is someone getting murdered with 2 minutes of stun gun any less of a crime than someone being shot in the head?

Death by stun gun is a lot more entertaining, that's all.

At 3/12/07 01:15 PM, I-have-2-arms wrote: How are they not cool? Wonder what would happen if you got someone in the nuts.

They only work up to 15-20 feet, and if you miss you are FUCKED; both financially and physically. Air Tasers like that are ungodly expensive to get air cartridge refills for, reload time is a bitch, aiming is more dependent on weather conditions...

Give me one good reason why I should sink my money into a chinese made piece of junk like that.

At 3/12/07 05:36 PM, Nylo wrote: If the government confiscates your firearms legally, you get a non-lethal one of equal protection power.

First off, the government would not be able to confiscate my guns because the second amendment GUAREN-FUCKING-TEES my right to have them. If the men in black showed up and my door for my families guns, they'd get them all right, bullets first; because that's what the second amendment is meant to protect the populace at large against, a tyrannical government hell bent on subjugating it's people into peasanthood... something most left wingers on this board fear the government is already doing.

Secondly, name me one weapon that has the same amount of "protection power" as pump action 20 gauge shotgun loaded with 3 shells of 000 buckshot. NAME ME ONE WEAPON.

[zendahl]

At 3/12/07 11:35 AM, Menace1989 wrote: first of all This law is unconstitutional in the US and probably wouldn't last long before the liberals shot it down.

Liberals tend to be pro gun control. It's the consevatives that have the gun love, traditionaly speaking.

[Boltrig]

I have to say this is a good idea in a utopian society where everyone would comply, but then a utopia would have no need for guns.

Since guns exist in the public domain, it is going to be incredibly hard to get rid of them.

Scenario:
Criminals have guns.
You cannot force Cops to face off against criminals with inferior weaponry.
Citezenship cry double stanards because the police have guns.
Return to square 1

[JamieRisk]

Why Would you want to end gun deaths they are funny.

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/12/07 05:36 PM, Nylo wrote:

At 3/12/07 05:55 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: sounds like an entirely rational solution Dr Spock.

You're off the mark.

you utterly fail to understand Earth humor mr Spock... "TAKE THAT!"

[Brick-top]

At 3/12/07 10:08 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 3/12/07 01:15 PM, I-have-2-arms wrote: How are they not cool? Wonder what would happen if you got someone in the nuts.

They only work up to 15-20 feet, and if you miss you are FUCKED; both financially and physically.

Then learn to aim properly. And besides a mugger isnt going to mug you 140 yards away now is he?

Air Tasers like that are ungodly expensive to get air cartridge refills for, reload time is a bitch, aiming is more dependent on weather conditions...
Oh a nice rich person like you?...

Give me one good reason why I should sink my money into a chinese made piece of junk like that.

Because they may or may not be made in china and firing you're machine gun in the general direction of the bad guy is old fashioned.

[EKublai]

You know what you do. You make bullets really expensive.

[Boltrig]

At 3/13/07 04:16 PM, EKublai wrote: You know what you do. You make bullets really expensive.

Then there would be no innocent bystanders.

Yeah yeah Chris Rock reference.

Plagerism is not cool kids

[GRAFITTi]

Gun crimes/problems were solved by the Chinese years ago.

What they did was shoot any drug user or seller, no questions asked, no jail time, nothing. It didn't take them long to end the problem..

[LtSurge659]

There will alwys be a loop-hole in there that some will exploit, and if there isn't, then they'll likely find other methods to kill people. Ergo: knives, stabbing weapons, blunt objects, etc.

That is why we can't have communism. Everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie, and some will go to illegal lenghts to get it.

[AIDSextravaganza]

it will never stop
the military will not ever stop using lethal weapons and if militaries have guns then they will enter society
same with if we ban guns in the u.s
if we did people would smuggle them in just like how drugs are smuggled in
sadly its a lost cause because men just have to kill men
which is pretty fucking sick

[gunground]

however that would make things alot worse for many reasons...

1. The only people who would obey the laws are the innocents,the non innocents will still get the guns illegally,making the innocents extremely easy to prey on.
2. How can people protect themselves from dictators and thier government?
3. although gun suicides would be down,bridge suicides would go through the roof.
and 4. What makes you think getting rid of guns will stop wars from happening? A bombs exist and you can google it how to make them. Think of that,a 16 year old demented kid with a hydrogen bomb and nobodys got a wep to stop him.

Thats why certain guns should be allowed

[Elfer]

At 3/12/07 09:52 AM, Korriken wrote: lets see... murder.. life in prison or death penalty. how are you gonna masively increase that without going into cruel and unusual punishment?

Yep, murder's the only crime you can commit with a gun all right!

[Nylo]

At 3/13/07 08:27 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 3/12/07 09:52 AM, Korriken wrote: lets see... murder.. life in prison or death penalty. how are you gonna masively increase that without going into cruel and unusual punishment?

Yep, murder's the only crime you can commit with a gun all right!

There was never any mention of ending murder with knives or any other weapons. This is completely restricted to fire-arms.

The better way to approach this is this: If an arms company were heavily subisidised by the Federal government to create new-age, non-lethal weapons as the new norm for civilian firearms and they were completely as efficiant and effective as normal firearms without KILLING the target, would it be a good thing?

And proteas, the second ammendment just says you can only bear arms. It doesn't say what kind of arms you're legally able to bear. You still get a gun; just not one that is heavily lethal to the target.

[LazyDrunk]

Why should the government subsidize anything like that? For the sake of the prick who gets shot breaking into my home?

Seriously, for who's sake would this be for?

If you believe it's "for everyone's safety", I'll say you're full of shit, at least if you're privileged enough to enjoy American benefits.

[Korriken]

even a non lethal weapon can be made to kill. rubber bullets were supposed to be relatively non lethal, but if you carved a hole into the bullet and inserted something hard, like ab all bearing, you got you a dandy good ole fashioned lethal round again!

you can kill with anything, including your bare hands, if you know how! if you take away every possible weapon known to man, including broken chunks of concrete, bricks, and boards with nails in them, we'll all be homeless.

disarming smart folks is impossible, disarming a few fops who think the store is where the world's food supply comes from, hell that's easy, they have no imagination! a bat, a few nails, and a bit of imagination can go a LONG way!

[Elfer]

At 3/12/07 10:08 PM, Proteas wrote: Secondly, name me one weapon that has the same amount of "protection power" as pump action 20 gauge shotgun loaded with 3 shells of 000 buckshot. NAME ME ONE WEAPON.

A pump action 20 gauge shotgun loaded with FOUR shells of 000 buckshot!