fuck the army

[jay777]

the united states is run by a bunch of assholes and idiots.the army is tryin to use force on the middle eastern people to accept democracy. if democracy is run by choice why cant a country have the choice to accept it? i agree with this guy.

If it was up to me, I would have the fucking US soldiers executed and their bodies ripped apart and fed to the Iraqis." -Begoner

[SEXY-FETUS]

Alias: jay777
Web: none
AIM: none

Age: 14
Gender: Male
Habitat: your basement
Job: student

[fastbow]

Please lock

[TigerDemon]

Why are you pissed at the soldiers for following orders? Its not as if they can just quite or walk away. Many of them have familys to feed and the militery is the only job they have to do it. They cant get kicked out because then they loose thier benifets and it makes it harder to get a job once your out if you have anything other than an honorable discharge. So grow up and look at the facts kid these men are doing thier job and have little choice in it.

[Karzand]

To the TP:

You sir are a total and complete idiot. Please kill yourself.

[Korriken]

At 3/11/07 11:56 PM, jay777 wrote:

If it was up to me, I would have the stupid 14 year olds who think they know everything executed and their bodies ripped apart and fed to the Iraqis." -Begoner

there, fixed that erroneous statement. anyway.

you know nothing of the ways of the world, i suggest you stop listening to Liberal Pinko Radio and do some actual research.

[JudgeDredd]

Jeez.. will all the thought-nazis form a queue and wait your turn !

At 3/12/07 12:29 AM, TigerDemon wrote: Why are you pissed at the soldiers for following orders? Its not as if they can just quite or walk away. Many of them have familys to feed and the militery is the only job they have..

They joined. They signed. They knew what they were getting into.

Why is feeding one's family sufficient cause to take up arms against a society and culture you know nothing about, fighting a conflict against a country which had no intention to attack you, all in the name of spreading your own incompatible notion of democracy?

[MortalWound]

I truely hope that you live in the US and a government official is reading this. Why? because under the patriot act, what you said about what you want to do to our army, is considered a terrorist threat. You probably are just saying this cause your parents told you to believe this way.

14 year olds should have no right in the political section until they know what the hell they are talking about. If you think you know so much about the American government, teach us about it without using any word that could be considered condescending. Then you may sound a little more intelligent and people may listen to you.

I am not for or against the conflict, I have no political affiliation other than being an independent.

[Memorize]

At 3/12/07 03:11 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

Why is feeding one's family sufficient cause to take up arms against a society and culture you know nothing about, fighting a conflict against a country which had no intention to attack you, all in the name of spreading your own incompatible notion of democracy?

I just love how you went after someone with a more sane post than the topic starter.

Does it smell as if deep down you really feel that way about soldiers? That you would have them killed?

Gotta love that terror supporting.

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/12/07 03:31 AM, MortalWound wrote: I truely hope that you live in the US and a government official is reading this. Why? because under the patriot act, what you said about what you want to do to our army, is considered a terrorist threat. You probably are just saying this cause your parents told you to believe this way.

Woah. The day when a 14y/o is arrested under the Patriot Act for expressing his anti-war opinion on a public forum.. is the day we should readily expect to see riot-police busting the gates on college campus'.

Why can't this kid get riled and upset by hundreds of thousands of needlessly dead and maimed Iraqis, and express that feeling, just like the guys here getting so riled by this 14y/o affirming Begoner's stance on an otherwise illegal war?

~

"A war without reason reduces civilization to a monstrous machine for creating amputees and corpses. Since wars are now fought with science, such a war is a defilement of all scientists." -- The Editors of ScienceWeek

[LazyDrunk]

He's just being reminded that while internet is still free, HE ISN'T.

"For every action..."

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/12/07 03:37 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 3/12/07 03:11 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

Why is feeding one's family sufficient cause to take up arms against a society and culture you know nothing about, fighting a conflict against a country which had no intention to attack you, all in the name of spreading your own incompatible notion of democracy?

I just love how you went after someone with a more sane post than the topic starter.

Does it smell as if deep down you really feel that way about soldiers? That you would have them killed?

Gotta love that terror supporting.

The terror is coming from the US side ..AND.. suicide bombers. The distinction is moot because they both want to take control of Iraq for their own purposes.

There's nothing sane about what is happening in Iraq as a result of America's invasion. Why should any commentary about the war in Iraq be any more pleasant. His words are not my words, but i think a few words like that are a far cry from the "on the ground" reality of how everyday life in Iraq really is. Ya'all don't like a few words of dessent, should all toughen up a bit. Your country is in a pointless war for fucksake.

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/12/07 12:29 AM, TigerDemon wrote: Many of them have familys to feed and the militery is the only job they have to do it.

And another thing... the first mistake America made is forget what you just said, and totally disband the Iraqi Army (most of whom didn't take arms against American troops even when order to) without pay.. because guess what.. they also have families to feed. And you don't you see this double standard logic?

Subsequently, some of those hungry and desperate soliders prolly did join the insugancy, and only after 3 years did America admit it was a mistake to disband the Iraqi army in the first place.

[zendahl]

At 3/12/07 03:11 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: They joined. They signed. They knew what they were getting into.

Why is feeding one's family sufficient cause to take up arms against a society and culture you know nothing about, fighting a conflict against a country which had no intention to attack you, all in the name of spreading your own incompatible notion of democracy?

When I joined the military our country was at peace. I joined to make a life for myself. I had made a few bad choices and I was going nowhere. The military gave me a lot to build a life on. I had no idea that Iwould fight in support of a war that I didn't believe in, but guess what; like you said, I signed. I joined. My job was to things I didn't like. I only wanted to serve in defence of the country I live in and get some training while doing it. Yea I knew that it was possible to get sent to war, but I didn't think I would. Once you're in there is no turning back. A dishonorable discharge will ruin a person. No college money, very poor job posibilities, no federaly funded assistance, nothing. Plus you lose pay leading up to the discharge, and could very well serve time in a federal prison. I have a wife and a kid. Would it be fair to them if I just desided one day that I wasn't going to do my job any more? "Sorry honey, I don't feel like going to war today, We're just going to throw our lives away instead." I never thought I would se a war in my lifetime, let alone one I didn't believe in, but sometimes shit happens. I DIDN'T START THE DAMN WAR. I just have to be lead by the people who did. But it's better that where I would be if I hadn't joined. Still unemployed and unable to support myself. What were my options? Serve or starve. I have never killed a single person in my life, even after being deployed twice. Why should I be killed? What did I do that was so wrong. Think before you say things dick.

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/12/07 04:56 AM, zendahl wrote:

At 3/12/07 03:11 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: They joined. They signed. They knew what they were getting into.

Why is feeding one's family sufficient cause to take up arms against a society and culture you know nothing about, fighting a conflict against a country which had no intention to attack you, all in the name of spreading your own incompatible notion of democracy?

When I joined the military our country was at peace. I joined to make a life for myself. I had made a few bad choices and I was going nowhere. I had no idea that I would fight in support of a war that I didn't believe in, but guess what; like you said, I signed. I joined.

Think before you say things dick.

So the only part you don't agree with is about not knowing that by joining the military it might take you to war, a war that you may not even agree with.. is that it? Well add 1 more "bad choice" to the list of bad choices. It says on the paper you signed that you WILL go war if America so wishes it.

See. It's not a democratic process. You risk your life either way. Either on the battlefield fighting a war you don't believe in, or toughing it at home, until say you and you family can get the hell out of a country which will turn around and (as you put it) punish you for the rest of your life for not fighting a war you don't believe in.

Shit run to Canada. I don't care! But (for the sake of repeating it) fighting in a war you don't believe in is just as bad as any of those so called insurgents forced into defending their families, because YOUR government disbanded millions to the jobless streets, and brought your whole War on Terror into their neighbourhood.

As Lazy said.. "for every action.."

[zendahl]

At 3/12/07 05:28 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: So the only part you don't agree with is about not knowing that by joining the military it might take you to war, a war that you may not even agree with.. is that it? Well add 1 more "bad choice" to the list of bad choices. It says on the paper you signed that you WILL go war if America so wishes it.

My point was that at the time that I joined, I didn't think that I would be sent to war. IT WAS DURING PEACE THAT I JOINED. It was the military or the streets. I don't regret my decision. I've never killed a single person. You still have yet to find one thing that I ever did to deserve death. I also suspect that you have no idea how things in real life work. You are either young, or had a pampered exsistance. I was raised by a single parent, my father died when my brother and I were kids. I had to drop out of school because I had to help pay bills and take care of my brother. I lost my job and had to leave home because there wasn't enogh money for us all to live on. After a few years of geting joe jobs and living on couches, I was 20 had no home, and no education. The military during a time of peace looked pretty fucking good. Free food, free training, money, free housing. They had all the shit I wanted. I joined to save my life, not to kill people or go to war.

[emmytee]

At 3/12/07 03:31 AM, MortalWound wrote: I truely hope that you live in the US and a government official is reading this. Why? because under the patriot act, what you said about what you want to do to our army, is considered a terrorist threat. You probably are just saying this cause your parents told you to believe this way.

I might be wrong, but I thought there needed to be a threat. Stupid yankees :p

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/12/07 05:47 AM, zendahl wrote: My point was that at the time that I joined, I didn't think that I would be sent to war. IT WAS DURING PEACE THAT I JOINED. It was the military or the streets. I don't regret my decision. I joined to save my life, not to kill people or go to war.

For your sake (sincerely) i'm glad you weren't put in that position, to kill or be killed. Do you deserve death? Hardly. No infact.

My point is also pretty simple. If your country is recruiting people with no other option but starvation, jail for vagrancy, dishonorable discharge, or the "cushier" option of (perhaps) shipping off to pointless battle on someone elses turf against your beliefs, then is that something worth fighting for? Looking at your life, how the American system deals out bad cards, then worse cards, to people without hope. Is that the kind of system one feels compelled to impose on the Iraqi or Afghan people? They've had their countless pointless wars, and untold hardships, as bad, or in some cases worse than yours. Then when things finally settle down, in comes America to stir it all up again, then deal to any dissent with certain death.

You as a voter, as a citizen, a recruit, a pawn of war, whatever, had to at some point ask yourself "is this worth dying for?" It's your own government which puts you in that difficult position, not me, or this angsty kid. Ask this. Where is your outrage that people like you are being put in such a position? How does your harder life experience make this seem more, and not less, acceptable?

Or do you now support your government for keeping you alive, and blame us for hating those who DO support this war. Heck, i mean why don't they just send all good-for-nothing unsympathetic 14y/o's off fighting foreign battles, so maybe they wouldn't say some stupid shit like that, or dis their own government so much..

sound vaguely familiar? Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Africa, ...

.

[Sir-Ingus]

At 3/11/07 11:56 PM, jay777 wrote: the united states is run by a bunch of assholes and idiots.the army is tryin to use force on the middle eastern people to accept democracy. if democracy is run by choice why cant a country have the choice to accept it?

Now there's an idea. Hey everybody, let's slander all the men and women of the armed forces who have fought and died in order to preserve the very freedoms we use to slander them.

If it was up to me, I would have the fucking US soldiers executed and their bodies ripped apart and fed to the Iraqis." -Begoner

And if it were up to me, I would have people like you and Begoner put in an enclosed area only to be hunted down and later devoured by packs of wild dogs.

[Menace1989]

nope, I can't find any reason to kill a soldier in such a way. I plan on joining the military myself and I kno lots of people who are in the US military, none of them deserve to die in such a painful way. Soldiers/Marines/Sailors/pilots they're all just men and women like you and me who saw an oppertunity to get good training in the military and they took it, they knew the risk, but once they signed those papers and took their oath then there was nothing they could do anymore. As much as I hate to say it, the government literally owns them for however long they signed for. Soldiers, Marines, etc aren't always fighters you know? Most of them don't join as infantry, they just end up getting thrwn into situations like that because hey they're soldiers first before they're anything in the military. Anyways, I don't believe that the soldiers should be punished, sure some soldiers are complete psychos and probably deserve deaths like that, but not all of them. The politicians should be punished before the soldiers at any rate, but I doubt that'll happen, the soldiers get screwed over just as much as anyone else during a war.

[Jamessimo]

So basicly dont hate the army, hate the goverment who control the army. The thousonds of people the army hire are not at fault, sure maby a few soilders may be corrupt but that isnt what the army teach.

[Brick-top]

Well done. You have managed to be instantly hated by everyone.

[JakeHero]

You guys are imbeciles. This topic starter is obviously a troll. You've fallen into his snare.

[Brick-top]

At 3/12/07 01:13 PM, JakeHero wrote: You guys are imbeciles. This topic starter is obviously a troll. You've fallen into his snare.

No me because I did'nt read it lol JOKE!

This thread has no point.
"This country is run by assholes"

Dont you realise you are bashing you're own country?

[Jamessimo]

I aggree.

[Memorize]

At 3/12/07 04:14 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

The terror is coming from the US side ..AND.. suicide bombers. The distinction is moot because they both want to take control of Iraq for their own purposes.

Haha, that's great! We have another person on the forum who supports blowing up innocents. Haha, wow I love how people can be.

[SirLebowski]

At 3/12/07 03:11 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: Jeez.. will all the thought-nazis form a queue and wait your turn !

At 3/12/07 12:29 AM, TigerDemon wrote: Why are you pissed at the soldiers for following orders? Its not as if they can just quite or walk away. Many of them have familys to feed and the militery is the only job they have..

They joined. They signed. They knew what they were getting into.

Why is feeding one's family sufficient cause to take up arms against a society and culture you know nothing about, fighting a conflict against a country which had no intention to attack you, all in the name of spreading your own incompatible notion of democracy?

You forgot about college. I'd glady pick up a gun and kill a few unimportant insurgents thousands of miles away if it ment a free education.

[Britkid]

At 3/12/07 01:27 PM, Memorize wrote: Haha, that's great! We have another person on the forum who supports blowing up innocents. Haha, wow I love how people can be.

I'm not taking a viewpoint on this particular topic, but why do you call anyone who dislikes the US Army and criticises their methods a terror supporter? It's just brainless. Like if I asked you if you thought that Jews should be exempt from taxes and you say no, then I call you anti-semitic.

[Memorize]

At 3/12/07 01:38 PM, TheRoyalEnglishman wrote:

I'm not taking a viewpoint on this particular topic, but why do you call anyone who dislikes the US Army and criticises their methods a terror supporter?

It's rather suspicious when someone puts the US army right by the side of suicide bombers. I guess you missed that. Not that it's a suprise.

[Britkid]

At 3/12/07 01:47 PM, Memorize wrote: It's rather suspicious when someone puts the US army right by the side of suicide bombers. I guess you missed that. Not that it's a suprise.

Stop dodging the question. How does this make them terror supporters? Just because they're not blindly patriotic and can understand the other side of the story.