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At 3/11/07 07:56 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 3/11/07 07:16 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote: Does anyone have any idea truthfully why marijuana is illegal?

Because the government would have to admit it was wrong.

Think about it; if Marijuana was legal, they'd have to go back on 70 some odd years of anti-drug campaigns, anti-drug laws, they'd have to release and/or pardon a HELL of a lot of people who have been convicted in the past on drug charges... it would be a public relations cluster fuck.

True and well expressed.

Hmm.. just wondering.. how many states in the US have "clean slate" laws. You know, like here in NZ, after seven years they now wipe minor drug convictions automatically, and make it an offence to for employers to discriminate against someone's previously unclean record.

(..for those who don't quite understand this policy, it's based on otherwise decent law-abiding citizens who "experimented" back in college, or maybe participated in the early hippy protests and got busted perhaps holding a joint, and does not apply to people with multiple or on-going or serious convictions) ....think of it as a kind of reward for good behaviour.

At 3/11/07 10:59 PM, zebraengine wrote: Difficult to regulate due tot he fact that its EASY to grow

Actually to grow marijuana you need a good irrigation system, a well insulated greenhouse
(which both keeps the heat in and stops the smells getting out) and alot of time on your hands as the plants require frequent attention, there are also male and female plants (oddly) and as you can imagine that can cause all sorts of confusion.

http://questionthemark.org/2006/12/22/25-reas ons-to-smoke-marijuana.aspx

Go there, 23 reasons why you should smoke marijuana. Plus the underlined have links to prove the statement true.

At 3/12/07 02:11 PM, Johntallen3 wrote: http://questionthemark.org/2006/12/22/25-reas ons-to-smoke-marijuana.aspx

Go there, 23 reasons why you should smoke marijuana. Plus the underlined have links to prove the statement true.

Before you guys go to this sight, check out the sights that I hyperlinked on the 1st page of the forum. Those links are verified by scientific evidence.

http://www.annalsonline.org/cgi/content/abstr act/899/1/274
(This site scientificaly explains that THC protects the brain instead of destroying it according to the NIH)

http://www.springerlink.com/content/pr6633733 858648q/
(This site leads to an abstract done by the University of Texas demonstrating that monkeys did not self administer THC. If animals self administer drugs in lab tests, it show that a substance is habit forming.)

http://www.fluxview.com/library/health/Guzman -Cancer-nrc1188.pdf
(This site leads to an abstract of multiple university studies showing that many canabinoids have anti-cancer properties.)

Well read them and weep!

If you get an error clicking those links copy and paste them instead

At 3/12/07 02:23 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote: If you get an error clicking those links copy and paste them instead

The only error is thinking this is new stuff. The lawmakers have seen all the science you have and more. You are not making any revelations. Yes they may have people to spin or deny the facts but that's only proof that they have them.

Marijuana is illegal because countries want a good image. Being drug free puts out the image of a happy, clean, good place to be.

So that would mean ending tobbacco and and alchohol if a "Drug Free Utopia" is to be established.

At 3/12/07 05:21 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 3/12/07 02:23 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote: If you get an error clicking those links copy and paste them instead

The only error is thinking this is new stuff. The lawmakers have seen all the science you have and more. You are not making any revelations. Yes they may have people to spin or deny the facts but that's only proof that they have them.

Then why does the government waist their time and tax money on such an issue if science determines that marijuana is harmless. The government could just as easily say that apples and oranges are a threat to society and public health without verifyable evidence as well I presume?

At 3/12/07 07:45 AM, Atavistic wrote:

At 3/11/07 10:59 PM, zebraengine wrote: Difficult to regulate due tot he fact that its EASY to grow

Actually to grow marijuana you need a good irrigation system, a well insulated greenhouse
(which both keeps the heat in and stops the smells getting out) and alot of time on your hands as the plants require frequent attention, there are also male and female plants (oddly) and as you can imagine that can cause all sorts of confusion.

marijuana is easy to grow
you don't need a green house
all you need is somewhere to grow it and water
unless you live in like unusually cold climates

there's a reason they call it weed
cuz it grows like one

if you plan to grow like hydro or dank
then you need all those special things
and need to take care

At 3/12/07 06:08 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote:

Then why does the government waist their time and tax money on such an issue if science determines that marijuana is harmless.

For all the reasons logistical, financal and political that I've already brought up

The government could just as easily say that apples and oranges are a threat to society and public health without verifyable evidence as well I presume?

The can do anything man. they are the man, man. Those items aren't intoxicating by nature, there's no social stigma and are you still assuming you've seen facts no one but you and the people who wrote them have seen?

At 3/12/07 05:24 PM, SeeInTheDark wrote: Marijuana is illegal because countries want a good image. Being drug free puts out the image of a happy, clean, good place to be.

wrong
marijuana is illegal because the US Gov. wanted to get all the wetbacks out of texas
and most of them smoked weed so they banned weed so they could have a reason to kick them out

At 3/12/07 07:45 AM, Atavistic wrote:
Actually to grow marijuana you need a good irrigation system, a well insulated greenhouse
(which both keeps the heat in and stops the smells getting out) and alot of time on your hands as the plants require frequent attention, there are also male and female plants (oddly) and as you can imagine that can cause all sorts of confusion.

Idiot.

At 3/12/07 06:19 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 3/12/07 06:08 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote:

Then why does the government waist their time and tax money on such an issue if science determines that marijuana is harmless.

For all the reasons logistical, financal and political that I've already brought up

You did bring up logistical and political reasons for marijuanas criminalization however it lacks supporting detail, as for the financial explanation where is it?

The can do anything man. they are the man, man. Those items aren't intoxicating by nature, there's no social stigma and are you still assuming you've seen facts no one but you and the people who wrote them have seen?

Alchoholism has a social stigma too and is legal. Smoking Tobbacco has a social stigma too and is legal, Alchohol is far more intoxicating by nature then marijuana so that still does not explain why marijuana is illegal.

See, what we actually need to do to fix the drug problem is start off by making all drugs legal.

At 3/12/07 08:10 PM, Elfer wrote: See, what we actually need to do to fix the drug problem is start off by making all drugs legal.

Unfortunatly I beleive that would be a mistake drugs such as cocain or heroin has brought so many fatalities and have caused millions of preventable deaths young teenagers and destroyed so many lives. I had a friend who once almost died from taking cocain on his first try. LSD a student at my highschool almost tried to cut of his arm thinking it is a snake. I could go on and on. However Marijuana seems to be the only exception. People that have done marijuana are still making positive contributions to society getting good grades in school. Since marijuana is a safe high, making it legal would let people who "Have the need to get high" be satisfied with a reletivly safe drug and prevent them from trying harder drugs. The only reason marijuana is a gateway drug is because people who try the first time realize its no big deal and then assume the government lied about other drugs and fall into the trap of getting addicted to cocain or heroin. If our government provides truthful and reasonable policies in drug control less youth will find intrest in fucking their lives with drugs that are truly dangerous and will be satistfied with harmless Marijuana and never go further.

In other words our laws of drug control should be based of factual evidence rather then social taboo. Our nations youth will easily be convinced by factual justification of dangers. Justifying drug policies based off of social taboo will only succumb to the rebelious mindset of teenagers leading our youth into their own demise. The reason I consider marijuana as the drug that should be legalized is because logistic evidence demonstrates it is harmless and it would safely appease the desire for our youth to "Get High". It would work pretty much the same way that teen pregnancy is more likley to decrease if safe sex is encoureged instead of only encouraging unrealistic approaches such as abstinance as the inevitability of teen sex is considered. In other words allowing a "safe drug" like marijuana would reduce the usage of dangerous drugs as the inevitability of drug usage is considered. Do you get my point?

At 3/11/07 09:35 PM, BlisteringFreakachuu wrote: Just tell your friends that you couldn't try to argue that Marijuana should be legalized 'cause you were out gettin' stoned.

Hahaha, that made me laugh a little bit. Anyways, I think (and this is mostly with the "harder" drugs), everything should be legalized and heavily taxed. Then all the junkies who wanted crack or heroin couldn't afford it!

At 3/12/07 08:48 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote: In other words our laws of drug control should be based of factual evidence rather then social taboo. Our nations youth will easily be convinced by factual justification of dangers. Justifying drug policies based off of social taboo will only succumb to the rebelious mindset of teenagers leading our youth into their own demise. The reason I consider marijuana as the drug that should be legalized is because logistic evidence demonstrates it is harmless and it would safely appease the desire for our youth to "Get High". It would work pretty much the same way that teen pregnancy is more likley to decrease if safe sex is encoureged instead of only encouraging unrealistic approaches such as abstinance as the inevitability of teen sex is considered. In other words allowing a "safe drug" like marijuana would reduce the usage of dangerous drugs as the inevitability of drug usage is considered. Do you get my point?

Just go fucking smoke some and spare us the tired rhetoric. It's illegal, but as you know all too well it's not hard to get. So just accept that if you get caught you could be fined and give the rest of us a fucking break you embarressment to the name of hippy

What will only change my mind about marijuana is if you present detailed, legitimate, and unbiased scientific reasearch that demonstrates that marijuana has danger to health and behavior with convincing scientific results like the ones I have posted. Anyone up to that challenge?

At 3/12/07 01:20 AM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote:

At 3/11/07 09:59 PM, Unkle-Krakerz wrote: Marijauna F***ed up my mexican grandpa and nearly my dad. The house that I write this letter in is the house that he is forbidden to enter. I only have a ring on my ringfinger made of stirling silver to remember him by. Thank tha lord it is.

This post is the closest someone has got to convincing me to change my mind about marijuana, If only he told the full story with all the detail about the ordeal and health problems, I would have been convinced. I challenge some of you to create a post as poweful as this one with all the detail. See if it will change my mind.

At 3/12/07 08:51 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 3/12/07 08:48 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote:

Just go fucking smoke some and spare us the tired rhetoric. It's illegal, but as you know all too well it's not hard to get. So just accept that if you get caught you could be fined and give the rest of us a fucking break you embarressment to the name of hippy

This debate is not within my intrest of getting myself high, it is within the intrest of effectivly bettering society through curbing an inevitable social problem by keeping it within the bounderies of a reletivly safe substance. It is also within the intrest of detering criminal funding with a legitamit and regulated market that would outpreform the criminal market of a populer, safe, and misunderstood product.

Perhaps marijuana is illegal because we set higher standards of our law officials, judiciary elite, and polititians, than we set for ourselves. If you or i get busted toking a joint, we might pay a fine, whereas your not so average authority figure often pays with his or her career. It's a poor double standard that serves us no good. I mean it's not as if these people are flying passenger airliners in their off time. Underneath their dry cold heartless exteriors, they are probably really fun vivacious people yearning for new and exciting experiences.

Think about it.. if only they could get away with rubbing sholders with all manner of rich and famous people, par-taking casually lewd or misjevious activities during all-nighter party sessions, and sharing yarns over a few good buds, without then having to face their very public exposé splashed like damnation across all the morning papers, well.. maybe then they wouldn't take such a dim view of everyone else having such a awesome time of it. Particularly seeing how they themselves are pretty much stuck behind a desk into the wee small hours rubberstamping evermore draconian laws, in leu of going home alone at night.

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pot is addictive and linked to gangs

If they ban marijuana ther should be no reason no to ban alcohol as well

At 3/12/07 08:10 PM, Elfer wrote: See, what we actually need to do to fix the drug problem is start off by making all drugs legal.

that would be a horrible idea
have you ever seen somebody on crystal before or crack

At 3/13/07 02:43 PM, Cheekyvincent wrote: pot is addictive and linked to gangs

you are an idiot
pot is no more addictive than biting your nails
and most drugs can be linked to gangs in one way or another

what you said is like saying that lemons are green and grow underground

At 3/14/07 08:40 PM, potheadj wrote:

At 3/12/07 08:10 PM, Elfer wrote: See, what we actually need to do to fix the drug problem is start off by making all drugs legal.

that would be a horrible idea
have you ever seen somebody on crystal before or crack

Two drugs which are available despite the fact that they're still illegal.

The problem with drugs being illegal is that it's criminals deciding the means of production, the price, the purity, and who it's sold to. And since they're already criminals, they're usually not above using violence to protect their interests. And no matter how many big drugs busts they make or how many drug lords they toss in jail, the drugs are still available.

Make all drugs legal, and you save a ton of money, you remove the profit motive for violent criminals, and you fix a big part of the organized crime and violence problem.

Then, you take that money, and you divert it into buckling down and dealing with the drug problem.

The thing about making all drugs legal would be that people who already use hard drugs like meth or crack would celebrate by binging on the suddenly highly available product. This would lead to more addiction and accidental overdose for a temporary period. However, addiction treatment would increase dramatically and become infinitely more effective then we have now. Also, with the legalization of the drugs, less new users will be drawn into using them. They can be treated, with all honesty (something that the antidrug movement seriously lacks), as the same as cigarettes. Youth cigarette smoking rates have dropped dramatically. This is because people SEE, OUT IN THE OPEN, THE REAL EFFECTS OF A BAD HABIT. Cigarette smoking isn't the "cool" thing to do anymore. A huge reason for this is HONESTY TO KIDS.

I agree with Elfer. Drugs are very easy to get, even if they are illegal. The drug war creates way more problems than it solves. If drugs were legal, all the violent drug rings would be gone. That means no more problem in Columbia, Mexico, ect. Taxes on drugs should be the same a alcohol, as well the age required for use. Drugs would bring in SHITLOADS of cash into the economy. As we all know, money is a nice thing to have around. The illegal drug market is insane. It is one of the largest "markets" in the world. Prisons would also have more room, as many, many people are in for drug offences. That could leave room for people who really deserve to be there...