Is peace possible in Israel?

[bluedemonspeedracer]

I would like to discuss from all point of veiws on what people think about the state of Israel from both Jewish and Palestinian Point of veiw. Would it be possible for Israel to exist without conflict with Palistinians if so, what could be done? For those who are against the establishment of Israel in the first place what alternatives should be considered to the establishment of a Jewish state? Where should Jews settle and escape persicution instead? Please make sure comments are focused on political resolution and please don't use anti-semism or other forms of hatred (Including hatred towards Arabs) as justifications. Also is there any parts of the Israel that Palestinians don't care about that can be settled without conflicts. I would like to know

[Korriken]

the only way its gonna stop is if the palestinians stop attacking. if not, then israel is gonna keep stomping them. its not hard to figure it out.

however it will not happen. both jews and muslims consider jerusalem to be a holy city and neither is gonna let go of it, ever.

will peace ever happen? doubtful, but there is a small glimmer of hope.

[bluedemonspeedracer]

Is there anyone that is that is pro-palistinian that can explain there greivences about Israel?

[nutrumpet]

Here's the problem, established Arab territory was removed to create the state. There will always be fighting there. The question is, let's say that Israel was moved to the middle of siberia...would countries still try to attack it?

[Ulven]

If the Americans love Israel so much, why don't you just let them establish a colony somewhere in the US? There seems to be a lot of free space in Texas.

[X1n30ph]

We bought land in Israel, not Texas. That's why we don't establish a "colony" as you put it, down there.

[Ulven]

Well the currently occupied country doesn't want them there does they? No, so they better find a new place before things get real ugly.

[X1n30ph]

I would so love to see something worse then one of the terrorists kidnapping a Israeli child and bashing its head against a rock.

I must wonder what that baby did. Maybe that terrorist is a hero and he killed a spawn of Satan! Or maybe the terrorists are just fucking retards that need to be shot, since they don't even know this history of what they're fighting for, and the fact they shouldn't be fighting of it in the first place.

But that's too much to ask, right?

[Ulven]

The same goes for both sides, Palestinan civilians getting abducted and is never seen again. Israeli agenst breaking international laws, moving into foreign countries while assassinating people. This even happend in Norway about ten years ago. Israeli agents infiltraded the country and assassinated an immigrant, it turned out he was innocent, he had nothing to do with the terrorist group they associated him with.

Shooting missiles and bombing cities is just as much terrorism as suicide bombers, they don't have the technology to make long range missiles (well they had a few but none of them really hit something did they?) so they brain wash the gullable and dumb and use them as bombs instead.

In my opinion both nations are commiting terrorist acts, but Israel is the biggest evil of the two, and it's also the aggressor.
I'm not saying anyone is right, both is wrong and Israel should stop expanding their borders and stop occupying Palestinan soil.

[Begoner]

The optimal solution would be one whereby the aberrant Israeli state is dismantled and the Palestinians exercise complete control over the entire territory. Israel was born out of imperialism; it has no place in the modern day. Not only that, but it has repeatedly violated its boundaries and international law by committing war crimes and annexing Arab regions. It's clear that the creation of a Jewish state was a mistake, as the territorial integrity of the Palestinian people was unjustifiably breached by Great Britain, the UN, and other major world powers. This error should be corrected.

However, that is obviously an unrealistic and excessively idealist view of the situation. The most reasonable and practical course currently seems to be the honoring of the original partition plan by which Israel was created. That would necessitate a complete military and economic withdrawal from the territories which are currently being occupied by Israel.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

its the muslims get rid of them and the problem is over.

[fastbow]

I hope peace is possible in Israel. I'm going there on Wednesday...

[Tony-DarkGrave]

if you are get ALOT OF PORK it repels muslims.

[Dr-Worm]

At 3/11/07 07:01 PM, Korriken wrote: however it will not happen. both jews and muslims consider jerusalem to be a holy city and neither is gonna let go of it, ever.

Well, consideration is nice and all, but it was given by international law (and possibly divine law thousands of years before Islam was founded) to the Israelis. Maybe the U.N. should help to make a real country of "Palestine", just not right on top of Israel. Who knows, maybe 50 years from now the Palestinians will have built a real country out of the smoldering ruins of what was once known as "Iraq".

Also, is there any reason why the two factions can't share Jerusalem? It's not like the Israelis are saying that nobody but Israeli Jews can visit the city.

[packow]

Begoner, can you get your head out of your ass, please?

[Korriken]

At 3/11/07 11:22 PM, packow wrote: Begoner, can you get your head out of your ass, please?

i don't think he can, they really programmed him when they got a hole of him. they tried programming me too, but it backfired and i voted for bush. was it a good idea? probably not, but it was a better idea than voting democrat.

and no, begoner's head is permanently stuck up his ass, after 3 Cranal Analectomies, the doctors gave up

[bluedemonspeedracer]

At 3/11/07 09:02 PM, nutrumpet wrote: Here's the problem, established Arab territory was removed to create the state. There will always be fighting there. The question is, let's say that Israel was moved to the middle of siberia...would countries still try to attack it?

Yes they would, due to the overwhelming amount of anti-semitism that is present within Europe

[bluedemonspeedracer]

At 3/11/07 11:02 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: if you are get ALOT OF PORK it repels muslims.

Jews dont eat pork either (anyways thats completly irrelevent sorry)

[Korriken]

this sheds a LOT of light on the situation.

its a little outdated, but still. if the arabs would just back the hell off, there would be peace.

[Imperator]

The optimal solution would be one whereby the aberrant Israeli state is dismantled and the Palestinians exercise complete control over the entire territory

How is that an "optimal" solution? It completely negates the rights of any Israeli to life itself, let alone the necessities of life.....

Do this and I can guarantee Hitler's Final Solution WILL actually come to pass.....

I'd post up some links for neutral discourse on the issue, but none of you would buy the books.....

Peace is possible, but the premise of an Israeli state against a Palestinian threat needs to dissipate for that to happen. If anything, Israel needs to recognize and legitimate a Palestinian state and Palestine needs to actually learn how to CONTROL such a state.......

[Tony-DarkGrave]

ehh just get rid of the main problem.

[hongkongexpress]

At 3/12/07 01:30 AM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote:

At 3/11/07 11:02 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: if you are get ALOT OF PORK it repels muslims.

Jews dont eat pork either (anyways thats completly irrelevent sorry)

>> You know I was going to say that too!

[Cheekyvincent]

no no one likes the president of Israel and George bush

[MortifiedPenguins]

Sure, completely kill of one side and there will be peace.

No man, no problem.

[kingmalk]

The other problem with acheiving peace in Israel is that the main political parties are unable to make peace. I mean the Israeli government would have perhaps tried to make peace with the Palestinian political party Fatah if it had not went into coalition with Hamas, the Jihad political party hellbent on the destruction of Israel.
There is no way peace will be made until the new Palestinian government recognises Israel and embraces peace, but this will probably never happen.

[SyntheticTacos]

Hm, maybe I'd be more sympathetic if the PLO and other Palestinian organizations didn't massacre civilians (purposefully) by suicide bombing public places. Regardless of whether the occupied territories are Israeli territories or not, it's important to consider what would happen if they did come independent- what if a section of land had been stolen from a certain area, but the people that would take power were Nazis? Would you support independence then?

Also, how about we stop with this hypocritical whining about there being a Jewish State. Maybe you all have forgotten how many officially Muslim states there are too. And those countries actually do enforce their religious laws extensively, unlike Israel, who's unoccupied territory is basically the freest part of the area. Whether or not you agree with the occupation, Israel's main territory should not be removed.

[Joodah]

At 3/11/07 09:02 PM, nutrumpet wrote: Here's the problem, established Arab territory was removed to create the state. There will always be fighting there. The question is, let's say that Israel was moved to the middle of siberia...would countries still try to attack it?

established arab territory that was, except for what we took in war, bought and paid for. they sold us swamps and desert, and we made it grow. they only want it back now because it's productive.

[cellardoor6]

There is Peace IN Israel. In Israel Jews, Muslims, and Christians can coexist just fine. I've been to Israel... and I walked through the Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem and you could see an Orthodox Jew walk through, buy a can of pop from a Muslim vendor, shake his hand, then keep walking.

The problem is the lack of peace between Israel and the Palestinian territories, which is almost entirely the fault of the Palestinians who refuse to recognize Israel and who repeatedly attack Israel during ceasefires.

Palestine causes the violence, but then after they use their own people as human shields, when the Israelis fight back, innocent Palestinans get killed so this creates propaganda. This propaganda perpetuates the myth that the Israelis are the bad guys and that the Palestinians are just innocent victims.

If Palestine wasn't ruled by Islamic, Theocractic, blood-thirsty monsters, then there would be peace.

[Kasualty]

I predict that Israel will fall, eventually.
If not violently (which I don't think will happen) then peacefully. If you look at the statistics about 20-25% of Israel is Arab.

[kingmalk]

I don't think it will fall, the Jews have come this far and they will do everything they can to stop Israel from falling.