Actually I saw an episode of some spooky things show that had a case study on a guy who was two people because there weren't enough souls to go around.
Besides, any species that we exterminate can pick up the slack.
Yeah... I think there are more people living on Earth now than are buried in it or some such nonsense. Odd factoid (that could be completely false) I heard somewhere.
Take THAT Hinduism!
Tis better to sit in silence and be presumed a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
At 3/7/07 11:33 PM, Ravariel wrote: Take THAT Hinduism!
but of course Hinduism and Buddhism believe that the souls of lesser beings (and lesser caste memebers for Hinduism) flow into those of higher beings. e.g. the spirit of a dog may reincarnate into a human whereas the spirit of a human who has lived poorly may be either demoted or forced to relive life as a human.
and of course there are the spirits of those who have reached enlightenment, they no longer need to reincarnate.
At 3/7/07 11:51 PM, SolInvictus wrote:At 3/7/07 11:33 PM, Ravariel wrote: Take THAT Hinduism!but of course Hinduism and Buddhism believe that the souls of lesser beings (and lesser caste memebers for Hinduism) flow into those of higher beings. e.g. the spirit of a dog may reincarnate into a human whereas the spirit of a human who has lived poorly may be either demoted or forced to relive life as a human.
Hmm... and we are seeing massive ecological destruction for the habitation and industry of mankind... so you may be on to something there...
and of course there are the spirits of those who have reached enlightenment, they no longer need to reincarnate.
In Hinduism there are VERY few souls who have reached Nirvana... and I think in Buddhism, Siddhartha himself is considered the only one to have achieved complete Nirvana.
Tis better to sit in silence and be presumed a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
At 3/7/07 11:54 PM, Ravariel wrote: In Hinduism there are VERY few souls who have reached Nirvana... and I think in Buddhism, Siddhartha himself is considered the only one to have achieved complete Nirvana.
it is possible that in Hinduism few people have overcome the physical world, but i'm certain that according to Buddhism many more people have reached Nirvana (they have "saints", others who have reached enlightenment) but it may also depend on what ideology you follow.
e.g. the Dalai Lama has supposedly reached enlightenment but will continue to reincarnate until all beings have attained enlightenment.
You're probably right... I'm sketchy as hell on Buddhism and Hinduism... in spite of how fascinating I find them.
Tis better to sit in silence and be presumed a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
At 3/7/07 11:18 PM, Elfer wrote: Actually I saw an episode of some spooky things show that had a case study on a guy who was two people because there weren't enough souls to go around.
Also called " multiple personality dissorder", which is a disease called "being a nerdy goth pot-smoker who's life is so shitty they need a disease to blame".
Anyways, reincarnation doesn't really work with evolution, i.e. in those first few years of life, there were only a couple bacteria around... so yeah...I guess there was only one "soul" to go around in the first place.
At 3/8/07 02:57 AM, poxpower wrote: Anyways, reincarnation doesn't really work with evolution, i.e. in those first few years of life, there were only a couple bacteria around... so yeah...I guess there was only one "soul" to go around in the first place.
Musta been a big soul... >_>
Tis better to sit in silence and be presumed a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
At 3/7/07 10:53 PM, TheSovereign wrote: Populaton increases.
Maybe they come from other planets where population is decreasing!
Haven't thought of that huh?
If the universe is infinite, it is impossible that we are alone.
Bla
Also don't forget teh slight chance that maybe the spirits are not bound to any 1 species on any one planet.
At 3/8/07 02:57 AM, poxpower wrote:At 3/7/07 11:18 PM, Elfer wrote: Actually I saw an episode of some spooky things show that had a case study on a guy who was two people because there weren't enough souls to go around.Also called " multiple personality dissorder", which is a disease called "being a nerdy goth pot-smoker who's life is so shitty they need a disease to blame".
No, no, I mean he was one guy, but sometimes he was also a completely different guy in a completely different place, i.e. two bodies one guy.
Or something.
At 3/8/07 02:57 AM, poxpower wrote: Anyways, reincarnation doesn't really work with evolution, i.e. in those first few years of life, there were only a couple bacteria around... so yeah...I guess there was only one "soul" to go around in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that at least some versions of Buddhism and Hinduism have a belief on some form of 'Oversoul' that consists of all the souls that have acheieved enlightment or some such action.
Could be wrong here though. Feel free to correct me if I am
If there is an 'oversoul' and it collects souls, then why can it not have disbanded parts of itself away over time to allow for the creation of new souls?
At 3/7/07 10:53 PM, TheSovereign wrote: Populaton increases.
There are approximately six million insects for every one person on this planet. As others have pointed out, religions who believe in reincarnation believe that it flows between species in a manner that reflects how well a soul has lived the most recent life. So a really, really good ladybug might come back as someone's kid.
Plenty of small creatures' souls to go around.
He followed me home, can I keep him?
At 3/7/07 10:53 PM, TheSovereign wrote: Populaton increases.
Wouldn't more and more people reach higher and higher levels in the wheel of life after living so many lives? Ergo, wouldn't the human population naturally increase, because humans are considered the highest form of life before reaching Nirvana?
At 3/9/07 12:51 AM, PretzelLogic88 wrote:At 3/7/07 10:53 PM, TheSovereign wrote: Populaton increases.Wouldn't more and more people reach higher and higher levels in the wheel of life after living so many lives? Ergo, wouldn't the human population naturally increase, because humans are considered the highest form of life before reaching Nirvana?
;
Maybe we become dolphins!
We know they're intelligent & they have language.
So do whales, for that matter.
Maybe you keep evolving until your a single cel again.
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yep its impossible unless you have no memory of your past life absolutly nothing reading writing people ect and all animals are just people from the past, they keep descovering insects in rainforests and more and more people are evil that 2000 years ago so it could be.....
predictable...
At 3/7/07 11:18 PM, Elfer wrote: Actually I saw an episode of some spooky things show that had a case study on a guy who was two people because there weren't enough souls to go around.
Besides, any species that we exterminate can pick up the slack.
>> I think I saw that one two. Was it about some poor young man who was getting all sorts of shitty luck, and the world shits on him every chance she gets, yet he's good and kind to people, And his spritual healer can't figure out why such a kind man would get the raw deal all the time. And latter it's revealed that his reincarnation or somehow come kind of vision was connected to a very bad man who was ripping elderly people off (the poor elderly, who worked all their lives and are barely alive and in tremendous pain). And thus Mrs Fate can't figure out what to do, so the bad Karma goes to the wrong person. The young man who done nothing to nobody.
Anyways. I think that was on an episode on Psi Factor, back in the late 90s, hosted by Ray from Ghostbusters. Dan Akroid. Who likes this sort of alien-ghost-paranormal kind of stuff. Personally I think Dan Akriod is an alien. Like AKROID. that sounds like some space out name.
At 4/22/09 12:38 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Raped by hongkong. NEXT.
Yeah, that was one champion of a post, wasn't it? -Zerok
At 3/7/07 11:33 PM, Ravariel wrote: Yeah... I think there are more people living on Earth now than are buried in it or some such nonsense. Odd factoid (that could be completely false) I heard somewhere.
Take THAT Hinduism!
Other belief systems that believe in the possibility of reincarnation.
-Hinduism.
-Buddism
Sufism (Mystical Islam)).
Behai.
Scientologly
Shamanism (ie, North American Shamanism-Mongolian Shamanism).
Zorozantharism
Celts (I think).
Esoteric Christianity (Dead Sea Scrolls, and other early Christian material).
Kalaba (Mystical Judeoism)
-
At 4/22/09 12:38 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Raped by hongkong. NEXT.
Yeah, that was one champion of a post, wasn't it? -Zerok
At 3/8/07 03:38 AM, Ravariel wrote:At 3/8/07 02:57 AM, poxpower wrote: Anyways, reincarnation doesn't really work with evolution, i.e. in those first few years of life, there were only a couple bacteria around... so yeah...I guess there was only one "soul" to go around in the first place.Musta been a big soul... >_>
Its their God, Brahma. In, Hinduism is very pantheistic
At 3/7/07 11:33 PM, Ravariel wrote: Yeah... I think there are more people living on Earth now than are buried in it or some such nonsense. Odd factoid (that could be completely false) I heard somewhere.
Take THAT Hinduism!
Turns out that one is actually false.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.htm
Die Kunst ist Tot! Dada Uber Alles!
I can't remember which belief system but one of them believes that the soul is made of 3 parts and each of the parts can come back on its own.
Better to Rule in hell then serve in heaven. - Paradise lost
stuff like bacteria becomes humans
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You know why reincarnation is impossible.
Basic Biology States
The Universe and all its energy is on its way towards entropy
The mass of the earth and of its organisms is constant or is only lost by unusable energy (heat)
Because there are population increases, it would mean that one thing must go because the mass has always been much the same.
For a new human to be born reincarnated from say the soul of an ant, that would throw the mass completely off balence
Mass of Earth + Organism (Ant) does not = Mass of Earth + Organism Human
Mass of Earth + 100000000 (Ants) = Mass of Earth + Organism Human (This was a complete guess but you know what I'm Saying)
This shows that if reincarnation were possible it would mean that the soul itself had mass and was tangible thing. It would mean that one human soul would split up into 100000000 little soul bits and reincarnate into ants, implying such a mass. Since a soul is not tangible it cannot exist. Therefore no soul and no reincarnation
You're actually only SCIENTIFICALLY proving it.
At 3/13/07 04:46 PM, EKublai wrote: This shows that if reincarnation were possible it would mean that the soul itself had mass and was tangible thing.
Photons exist and they don't have mass. Just because something exists doesn't mean that it has mass. Not only that, but putting rules on the universe like we know everything is pretty presumptuous. We have barely scratched the surface of everything there is to know. Just because scientists have found something to be the case a few times in our little corner of the universe doesn't make something true.
Think you're pretty clever...
At 3/8/07 04:25 AM, Alphabit wrote:At 3/7/07 10:53 PM, TheSovereign wrote:Maybe they come from other planets where population is decreasing!
Haven't thought of that huh?
If the universe is infinite, it is impossible that we are alone.
no offense, but if that's the case, we may owe an apology to scientology...
mebe xenu gave us all our souls..
and then again, mebe kurt cobain is hiding out with elvis....
bleh...
religion is all just a crock.
let's face the reality:
you live, you die, and might be remembered,
but mostly you just decay.
we gave our souls up a looong time ago to be living in this kind of shit-heap for a world.
and fucked if i care whether you think there's something after you die...do me a favour and go find out for yourself.
At 3/13/07 09:50 PM, radioheaded wrote: let's face the reality:
you live, you die, and might be remembered,
Hehe, you get forgotten eventually... After 1 million years it's going to be like "e=mc^2, I wonder who came up with that... Probably some primitive sub-species of ours."
Bla
At 3/13/07 06:54 PM, Gunter45 wrote:
:Putting rules on the universe like we know everything is pretty presumptuous. We have barely scratched the surface of everything there is to know. Just because scientists have found something to be the case a few times in our little corner of the universe doesn't make something true.
Well, we could go on and on about exceptions, and paradoxal loops, but we put rules on the universe to make sense out of it. If we're trying to make sense of something as huge and undocumentable as reincarnation, then we need to start with smaller, more obvious conjectures and hold them as true before we can use it to create more complex conjectures. Presumptuous, possibly. Absolutely necessary? Definitely.
At 3/13/07 06:54 PM, Gunter45 wrote:At 3/13/07 04:46 PM, EKublai wrote: This shows that if reincarnation were possible it would mean that the soul itself had mass and was tangible thing.Photons exist and they don't have mass. Just because something exists doesn't mean that it has mass. Not only that, but putting rules on the universe like we know everything is pretty presumptuous. We have barely scratched the surface of everything there is to know. Just because scientists have found something to be the case a few times in our little corner of the universe doesn't make something true.
Photons only exist for literally an instant. you can't compare a photon to a soul because a soul is presume to live on forever. Also photons are not bound by the same laws, they do not attach themselves to the earth, they do all sorts of crazy things.
Also note that yes this applying things we know about the universe to our everyday life. But then...
Isn't that the point? I just referenced a scientific way of proving something. With the science that we know. Why not?-
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