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mushroom... a few things for you:

but now a disclamer: i am NOT pro israeli government and i am NOT anti-palestinian. i think both the jews and the palestinians deserve a homeland, but the way both ethnic groups are going about getting one at the present time is inexusable so they deserve each other.

first of all rachel corrie deserved to get run over by that bulldozer. it was her choice in life to be a martyr, when she lay down in front of that bulldozer she lay down knowing that she might be dying to try and "save" a palestinian home that would have been bulldozed anyway when her bloody carcass was dragged out of the way. if any of my kids chose to do something as fucking stupid as become a martyr for one goddamn home or use their life to make a statement, i would write in their eulogy that they deserved such a humiliated death. even if that person was my only son or daughter, i would say the same thing.

as for american homeless people, yes i agree that the way my country's government mismanages money is the biggest threat to national security. maybe if we used defense money in a SMARTER way we could use less of it.. and smarter spending starts with killing of rumsfeld. never EVER HAVE A CIVILIAN TELLING THE MILITARY WHAT TO DO WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THAT?????!!!?!?!?
then, tax the people more to create a national security net for everyone. yeah yeah republicans shut the FUCK up i dont want to hear you bitching about how you dont want your hard earned money going to pay for healthcare for some bum. yeah well what happened to your love thy neighbor be charitable christian bullshit??? crap i dont practice ANY religion but i am certainly a better fuckin christian than you are if you throw that hypocritical bullshit around. plus what is more of a strain on society, your money going to pay for healthcare and a place to live for some homeless guy so he can then go out and get a civil service job and become a productive person or you using that saved money to buy an suv to pollute the air your kids will have to breathe?

ach. thats enough. i need to rest and let the grilled steak i just ate digest a bit (thats for you veggie.. it was deliciously charcoaly and still mooing in the middle ohhh yeah)

At 5/25/03 08:47 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: yeah yeah republicans shut the FUCK up i dont want to hear you bitching about how you dont want your hard earned money going to pay for healthcare for some bum. yeah well what happened to your love thy neighbor be charitable christian bullshit???

We want to choose to give our money to help people, not have it stolen out of our pockets by the government. I'll decide what to spend what I have earned on rather than some bureacrats in Washington determine what is "best" for me to do.

Yes, I do believe in charity, but not organized robbery as practiced by the government. It is not the goverment's job to "take care of people", especially not by stealing from some to give to others, (while diverting and pocketing some along the way).

Why does the rest of the world hate (or strongly dislike) America and its people??::

Well, kittie_cross, let's see...

America has recently killed thousands of innocent civilians. America has so many crooked politicians we could fill a stadium with them. America is declaring war left and right, maybe fear is present.

Do you see why now?

We want to choose to give our money to help people, not have it stolen out of our pockets by the government. I'll decide what to spend what I have earned on rather than some bureacrats in Washington determine what is "best" for me to do.

Yes, I do believe in charity, but not organized robbery as practiced by the government. It is not the goverment's job to "take care of people", especially not by stealing from some to give to others, (while diverting and pocketing some along the way).

Republicans want to be able to give their money rather than have it "taken from them?" The problem with that is that people like you would never give anything back. Taxes are not stealing, buddy, you are currently standing on Federal owned property. Tax dollars go towards educating your children, health care, policemen, even to your fanatical wars overseas. So quit bitching and fill out your W2's. Its your civic duty.

At 5/26/03 06:10 PM, MindThrasher wrote: America has recently killed thousands of innocent civilians. America has so many crooked politicians we could fill a stadium with them. America is declaring war left and right, maybe fear is present.

Do you see why now?

It was the hypocracy of the war that got me. I would probably have supported it if they came straight out, admitted that America armed him, admitted fully that the sanctions killed more people than Saddam but said they wanted to put things right. I'd have given my support then and only then.

At 6/1/03 01:40 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: It was the hypocracy of the war that got me. I would probably have supported it if they came straight out, admitted that America armed him, admitted fully that the sanctions killed more people than Saddam but said they wanted to put things right. I'd have given my support then and only then.

It was all done kind of for the wrong reasons which most people didn't buy as the "freedom" for Iraq.

At 6/1/03 08:04 AM, AZTEKiDOL wrote:

:Taxes are not stealing, buddy, you are currently standing on Federal owned property.

You are standing on sacred Native American ground which was stolen by illegal immigrants and then claimed as their own.

A few reasons why the whole world hates America

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.

1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia.

September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people

A few reasons why the whole world hates America

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.

1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia.

September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people

At 5/3/03 01:07 AM, UNpossible wrote:

People see America as a arrogant (the French said that) warmongering (The Germans said that too) greedy, capatilist, overpowerful blah blah blah. I'll be frank, America is a long way from being anywhere near perfect. But I'll be damned if anyone can list a country being any better than America.

there are a few, although they are usually neglected and too uninvolved in world affairs to be noticed. sweden, for one, is a socialist country, with free healthcare, yeh you know the works. yeh, sure, they all ride bikes and most of them are butt ugly, but theyre economy has been fairly successful. canada is doing quite well as well. if anyone saw bowling for columbine, mike moore points out when he visits the leaf country that canadians feel safe enough to not worry about locking their doors. we might not like to admit it, but we arent the best country in the world. the mentality and arrogant assumption that we are is probably why we are so disliked around the globe.

At 5/3/03 02:14 AM, nitroxide wrote: Whose to say its only foreigners i was born in new york and i hate this country with a passion it stands for nothing but lies and hypocrisy our current goverment is not for the people but for the dollar they continue to interfere in foreign affairs while not fixing the current problems at hand in our own country can you tell me why bush cant put just as much effort in getting crack out of the ghettoes or helping our own families interact better with eachother as he does on WAR.War is a game to them that they are playing with our lives how many people smoke weed out there does this goverment look after you...NO they want to lock you up like animal our goverment is only here to keep us blind when america wakes up and sees that we have given up all freedom to some suits...hopefully it wont be to late...our president himself is a pawn the people that you think are in control are not the mason lodges,new world order,and the illumaniti is not a lie.i dont hate this country but the american flag does not represent me and it really shouldnt represent are land american history is european textbooks only mention america until 1776 the year utopia was shattered and stolen from the true natives of this land true americans.i say fuck bush!Bush is for licking not for president
97 soldiers dead...
450+ Innocent iraqui civilians
800,000 Rwanda
all of this hate will only amount to death

i compltely agree with you, i dont see much hope but no one ever said it hurts to try... but hey whats wrong with smoking weed? i think weed should be legalized and cigs be illegal. why is potential medicine what you go to jail for but it is legal to pay for youre slow death? it doesnt make sense.

oh, side note, punctuate your sentences the reading difficulty kind of detracts from the effectiveness of your argument.

People see America as a arrogant (the French said that) warmongering (The Germans said that too) greedy, capatilist, overpowerful blah blah blah. I'll be frank, America is a long way from being anywhere near perfect. But I'll be damned if anyone can list a country being any better than America.

New Zealand, one of the few countries that stood up to America, it's also full of adrenalin junkies.

We British are really pissed of with America at the moment Because of the "Itallian Job" thing.

That was our movie! that was one of the best film in the history of films. It had subtle humor, amazing one liners and the worlds coolest car (mini cooper Mk2) you wankers have fucking ruined it!

also because anyone who you havent liked you tend to wage war on.

At 6/2/03 10:57 AM, firebird1985 wrote: also because anyone who you havent liked you tend to wage war on.

and the British never have, how are the relations with the Irish or India these days?

At 6/2/03 11:33 AM, Shih wrote:

At 6/2/03 10:57 AM, firebird1985 wrote: also because anyone who you havent liked you tend to wage war on.

and the British never have, how are the relations with the Irish or India these days?

About as good as they are with the Scottish and the French.

At 6/2/03 11:33 AM, Shih wrote: and the British never have, how are the relations with the Irish or India these days?

Relations with the Irish are pretty good, the IRA haven't been acting up for a bit and we are trying to get the situation under control.

India - Not bad. Not amazing. Why?

At 6/2/03 03:29 PM, bumcheekycity wrote:

At 6/2/03 11:33 AM, Shih wrote: and the British never have, how are the relations with the Irish or India these days?

Relations with the Irish are pretty good, the IRA haven't been acting up for a bit and we are trying to get the situation under control.

India - Not bad. Not amazing. Why?

hes talking about the past. look at what he was responding to.

hes talking about the past. look at what he was responding to.

I was not talking about the distant past, I was talking about last month. Yes the British have had a violent past, but then again so have most of the 1st world countries.

the point is that America actually armed Saddam and the Taliban and supported them until they turned on the had that fed them.

Besides, I don't think that most of the world actully hates America. They just don't like it very much.
I personally don't mind mind America, just thee people who run it.

At 6/2/03 05:15 PM, firebird1985 wrote: Besides, I don't think that most of the world actully hates America. They just don't like it very much.
I personally don't mind mind America, just thee people who run it.

When people say they're Anti-America, they're actually Anti Bush Administration.

At 6/2/03 05:15 PM, firebird1985 wrote:

the point is that America actually armed Saddam and the Taliban and supported them until they turned on the had that fed them.

Thats not entirely true, http://members.toast.net/eyeofthestorm/arming_saddam.jpg
I'm not sure about the taliban but I do know when we set them up we had a plenty good enough reason. The cold war.

Why do people hate America? Because they are neo-imperialists, and they always feck things up.

so basically ive read the whole post, and the correct answer is... just because...

ive heard the militaristic reasons from people from nations that did the same thing just many many years ago... the culture reasons, which again nations did many many years ago...

basically its just america's turn to be hated...

At 6/2/03 05:15 PM, firebird1985 wrote:

I was not talking about the distant past, I was talking about last month. Yes the British have had a violent past, but then again so have most of the 1st world countries.

i was talking to bum, not you, lol. sorry

At 6/2/03 05:28 PM, jimsween wrote:
Thats not entirely true, http://members.toast.net/eyeofthestorm/arming_saddam.jpg

this chart only starts at 1973. most of the american contributions were made before this. also, id love to know if this includes the corporate contributions in the form of stock shares..

I'm not sure about the taliban but I do know when we set them up we had a plenty good enough reason. The cold war.

well, we didnt set them up, they had already formed...we just put them into power. and the cold war is a good reason? thats entirely debatable too.

At 6/2/03 09:19 PM, fantom326 wrote:

At 6/2/03 05:28 PM, jimsween wrote:
Thats not entirely true, http://members.toast.net/eyeofthestorm/arming_saddam.jpg

this chart only starts at 1973. most of the american contributions were made before this. also, id love to know if this includes the corporate contributions in the form of stock shares..

First, before 1973 Iraq was not an insane dictatorship and saddam wasnt even in power, and giving him money would be alot less of a crime then giving him weapons. At least with money he can spend it on something good.

I'm not sure about the taliban but I do know when we set them up we had a plenty good enough reason. The cold war.

well, we didnt set them up, they had already formed...we just put them into power. and the cold war is a good reason? thats entirely debatable too.

Considering the Soviet Union singlehandedly started a war between Egypt and Isreal I would say it was an entirely good reason to combat them in the middle east.

At 6/1/03 06:36 PM, fantom326 wrote:

At 5/3/03 02:14 AM, nitroxide wrote: 97 soldiers dead...
450+ Innocent iraqui civilians
800,000 Rwanda
all of this hate will only amount to death

i compltely agree with you, i dont see much hope but no one ever said it hurts to try... but hey whats wrong with smoking weed? i think weed should be legalized and cigs be illegal. why is potential medicine what you go to jail for but it is legal to pay for youre slow death? it doesnt make sense.

Hey i never said their anything wrong with pot,ask anyone here im the biggest drughead.
mmmmm...sweet jane...ahhhh!<drools>
::Grabs Bong::

At 6/2/03 11:32 PM, jimsween wrote:

First, before 1973 Iraq was not an insane dictatorship and saddam wasnt even in power, and giving him money would be alot less of a crime then giving him weapons. At least with money he can spend it on something good.

we did give him weapons, even after he gassed the kurds...although we cant blame the entire govt i mean the whole thing was a cia op...but im sure bush had something to do with it.

Considering the Soviet Union singlehandedly started a war between Egypt and Isreal I would say it was an entirely good reason to combat them in the middle east.

how is this combating? just because its not communism doesnt mean its good.

Why do Americans think there's just one reason everybody hates them? Ever pause to think it's everything from their deligtful foreign policy, their aggressive marketing strategies (ie Coke/Pepsi), their tourists being shocked and appalled that other countries aren't the same (need I recant the tale of the American couple in a Burger King in Copenhagen?), the way they account for a large percentage of the world's oil usage, and, worst of all, they produced Backstreet Boys and N'Sync at the exact same time.

There's enough books on the subject, pick at least one of them up, and stop whining about "injustices" that you imagine happen for no reason. Christ, I know why the English aren't exactly popular with the Scots, the Welsh, the French, the Argentinians...

cos its full of dickheads, hypocrites,blindly patriotic idiots, its selfish, its greedy, it is ruining the world and most of all, thinks it rules THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD!!!!

At 5/4/03 08:06 AM, karasz wrote: another reason people hate america for this reason:

Raise your hand if During any time America came to your side... Canada, you would probably be speaking German, French and English... Britain you guys would be Germany 2... im not sure where anyone else is from...

THE BRITISH WOULD NOT BE FUCKING GERMAN! WE BEAT THEM NOT YOU!!!