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At 3/5/07 06:16 PM, Sigma-Lambda wrote:

At 3/4/07 10:33 PM, BlueEyesWhiteDevil wrote: I'm a fascist. Are you?

blah blah bullshit blah bullshit blah blah blah bullshit

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.

At 3/5/07 09:20 PM, BlueEyesWhiteDevil wrote: An ad hominem argument...

That doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. I don't care if it's ad hominem, you are a rich teenager, there is no way that you can possibly comprehend what fascism really is. Don't pretend you do.

Communism is like Facism except all the good has been removed.

I would prefer facism, despite my socialist views. ^.^

At 3/5/07 05:58 PM, zeus-almighty wrote:

At 3/5/07 05:10 PM, Istentelen wrote: I say a soft communism is better than any faschism becouse the faschizm is based on hate, so it can't become as soft as a communism can.

How do you know there can't be soft facism. I mean seriously.

Of course the faschizm has degrees too, but it's base theory prevents it to become as soft as a communism can become.

The bottom line is, neither communism nor fascism works.

At 3/6/07 08:18 AM, Sigma-Lambda wrote: That doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. I don't care if it's ad hominem, you are a rich teenager, there is no way that you can possibly comprehend what fascism really is. Don't pretend you do.

Leave him be. Judging from the link in his profile, he's one of those neo-nazi alts. He's not worth the effort, really.

At 3/5/07 06:16 PM, Sigma-Lambda wrote: Why don't you try spending a few years in a Gulag,

The GULAG was a communist invention, though fascism and communism seem pretty identical. Only difference, fascism is more honest of the two.

At 3/6/07 05:59 PM, JakeHero wrote:

At 3/5/07 06:16 PM, Sigma-Lambda wrote: Why don't you try spending a few years in a Gulag,

The GULAG was a communist invention, though fascism and communism seem pretty identical. Only difference, fascism is more honest of the two.

Communism is more specifically based around economic law, while fascism is an ideology more based around governmental law in general. While the Soviet Union was a communist nation, it also incorporated many parts of fascism including authoritarianism, totalitarianism, militarism, and nationalism. It was more or less a combination of the two ideologies.

At 3/6/07 06:14 PM, Sigma-Lambda wrote: Communism is more specifically based around economic law, while fascism is an ideology more based around governmental law in general.

Not true, both are ideological viewpoints that lend the state god-like status and control all divisions of labor.

Essentially, I wasn't trying to support communism by criticizing his choice of fascism. The fact that he would have chosen fascism even if he could have chosen any form of government was what I was attacking.

At 3/6/07 06:16 PM, JakeHero wrote: Not true, both are ideological viewpoints that lend the state god-like status and control all divisions of labor.

I don't see a big disagreement here. We might have differences on the exact definition of the ideologies, but you would agree that the Soviet Union was both a communist and a fascist regime, correct?

At 3/6/07 08:18 AM, Sigma-Lambda wrote:

At 3/5/07 09:20 PM, BlueEyesWhiteDevil wrote: An ad hominem argument...

That doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. I don't care if it's ad hominem, you are a rich teenager, there is no way that you can possibly comprehend what fascism really is. Don't pretend you do.

a/s/l?

At 3/6/07 06:26 PM, Sigma-Lambda wrote: I don't see a big disagreement here. We might have differences on the exact definition of the ideologies, but you would agree that the Soviet Union was both a communist and a fascist regime, correct?

Yes, both systems are innately oppressive. Communism may not have been intended as such, but it will always end up to be a dictatorship.

Communist USA or fascist?
Hmm... let me think. It is hard to choose.

Should I pick the one I don't need to work hard, where the government pays for my education and health care, where I don't need to be afraid of loosing my job, and where I know that my children will have a wonderful life, or should I pick the one where Gestapo kicks in and will send me to a concentration camp, just because I have I have the Soviet Anthem on my mp3.

You know what...
I prefer to live in a fascist hell rather than in a communist utopia
*cough* *cough*

i'd kill myself before the liberals took over, because that's what the liberal democrats are trying to do. make mexamericacanada. they are becoming more powerhungry with every coming day, and if we do nothing to stop them then we will all be taken over by them.

Communism tastes better

The fact that we are still discussing which is better: fascism or communism, will come to prove that people from the 19th and 20th centuries were mentally superior to us. Since we don't seem able to create a brand new system of our own.

At 3/8/07 10:55 PM, Mark-Ballister wrote: The fact that we are still discussing which is better: fascism or communism, will come to prove that people from the 19th and 20th centuries were mentally superior to us. Since we don't seem able to create a brand new system of our own.

Really? And what about Social-Democracies across EU?

both are basically the same becaus both governments are oppressive and run nearly the same way. If you said socialist or fascist then that would be a logical question.

At 3/4/07 03:47 PM, enraged-fish wrote: Would you rather live in a fascist of communist America?

By definition, Fascism can't work in America. I made a thread about it. Long story short, your Naitonalism can't be Totalitarian and Authoritarian. You can, however, have a quasi-Fascism or even National Socialism. (Although the NS movements in America seem to be rooted in faovur of the Imperialism of the white man).

At 3/4/07 06:05 PM, Engelsman wrote: I'd rather just not live in America.

Great, then go live in one of the actually fascist and communist countries, and tell us how you like prison when you say the same thing about THAT country.

The difference is too minute to care about.

In socialism/communism, the state runs everything. In fascism, individuals are allowed to own the businesses, but the government tells them how to run them.

So the net difference? With fascism you get middle men! Hooray!

Both suck.

I belive in communism, it was a GREAT idea, anyone who says other than this is probably an american retarded, who likes anal and gets high, and belive in the american rebuplic being the greatest, and hates jews, it was ruined by lenin, he taught stalin, who taught the next leader and so on, lenin started starving the workers, he killed a clown for making fun of him, he made the k.g.b (then called cheka), his body is were stalins should be, that is all

At 5/23/07 12:38 PM, oldharry wrote: I belive in communism,

Those with IQs of 72 tend to support communism.

it was a GREAT idea,

No, communism was an idiotic ideology written by two delusional madmen who didn't understand anything about human nature. If it was so great then why does it always fail wherever it rears its ugly head? Why is it every self-proclaimed Communist nation turn into a socialist dictatorship?

anyone who says other than this is probably an american retarded, who likes anal and gets high,

No. You're thinking of hippies. They're the opposite of american.

and belive in the american rebuplic being the greatest,

It is. Anyone who disagrees can go fist themselves and live in their third-world shithole.

and hates jews,

After reading your post I just started to now.

it was ruined by lenin,

Lenin didn't ruin anything. Communism itself is a doomed ideology only the most foolish individuals can think would work or is great.

he taught stalin, who taught the next leader and so on, lenin started starving the workers,

Well, if Lenin started starving union workers then that would be a good thing.

he killed a clown for making fun of him,

Commies have small-penis envy. What do you expect?

he made the k.g.b (then called cheka), his body is were stalins should be, that is all

You do realize without the US constant subsidization that Israel could not survive, right?

The way the soviets putted communism into practice was utterly different from the way Marx wanted it to be.
Lenin changed the words "community" and "state." So that all production belonged to the state instead of everyone.

So if we are talking about Leninism, then yes i would pick Fascism. Fascism is different from National-Socialism. The fascists had a great cultural interest, and did a lot for the city of Rome by repairing Roman monuments and so.

I would rather live in a country with an economy that rewards people for what they produce rather then what they need.

Fascism...It gets all the girls

Fascism wouldn't be possible, and communism, unless cleverly disguised wouldn't be either -- Americans are too obsessed with "Omg lawlz rusia iz teh suXX" from the McCarthy era.

Fascism lacks the essential characteristics and values of America: We're a "look out for number 1" society, after all. Groupthink, except for through the mass media, tends to fail in the U.S.

At 5/23/07 03:15 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

Fascism lacks the essential characteristics and values of America: We're a "look out for number 1" society, after all. Groupthink, except for through the mass media, tends to fail in the U.S.

We were built on enligtenment ideals and the biggest amont them was individuallity.

Ditto with Captilism.

Mr. Enraged_Fish, I would like you to go and actually read on what communism is before you make stupid comments such as subject. First of all, no country bar Cuba, has ever actually experienced true communism, by that I mean proper communism, like how Marx intended. Secondly you do lice in a fascist America, it's just trying to hide it. VERY FUCKING BADLY!

To conclude: Grow up and read some Marx