what is a war?

[mrpopenfresh]

What is a war? By what standards is one mesured? Please feel free to leave any war related comments here.

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

To put it very simply, you have groups of people trying to kill each other. It's dangerous.

[mrpopenfresh]

What about the evolution, from the 1600 wars where people shot each other in rows to the "war on terrorism" were american troops whent and bombed a bunch of caves andcosidered it a "war".

[JMHX]

Just because the way war is waged has changed does not mean the general definition of war has changed. It's still the attacking of one group by another.

[Alejandro1]

At 5/1/03 09:48 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: What about the evolution, from the 1600 wars where people shot each other in rows to the "war on terrorism" were american troops whent and bombed a bunch of caves andcosidered it a "war".

Thats very simple, it all has to do with the advances in technology. In the 1600, 1700, and 1800's, people shot in lines because the muskets at that time were very inacurate and firing a bunch of muskets in a line at the same time offered a better chance at hitting the enemy. Nowadays, we have bombs and aircraft to do the dirty work for us so we don't have to send ground troops to fight on that rocky terrain.

[Commander-K25]

A war is a violent, armed conflict between relatively large groups.

[karasz]

At 5/1/03 09:04 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: What is a war? By what standards is one mesured? Please feel free to leave any war related comments here.

being attacked by others...

[ichbincow]

Ok NONE of you have stated a definition that is remotely correct or devoid of emotionalistic satement=

DEFINTION=

WAR - A contention by force; or the art of paralysing the forces of an enemy. War is either civil or national. Civil war is that which is waged between two parties, citizens or members of the same state or nation. National war is a contest between two or more independent nations) carried on by authority of their respective governments.

War is not only an act, but a state or condition, for nations are said to be at war not only when their armies are engaged, so as to be in the very act of contention, but also when, they have any matter of controversy or dispute subsisting between them which they are determined to decide by the use of force, and have declared publicly, or by their acts, their determination so to decide it.

National wars are said to be offensive or defensive. War is offensive on the part of that government which commits the first act of violence; it is defensive on the part of that government which receives such act; but it is very difficult to say what is the first act of violence. If a nation sees itself menaced with an attack, its first act of violence to prevent such attack, will be considered as defensive.

---->>>So with that being said---I wish you people would THINK about what your posting as nine out of ten times I see posts that are nothing more than emotionalisticaly driven opinions touted as being "factual statements".
in case you do not know or have forgotten what TRUE debates (not arguements) are=
1)state your opinion
2)Tell why you think/feel in whatever manner backed by verifiable facts that are as complete as is possible
3)Be able to argue BOTH sides of an issue and be able to do so unemotionally and competently
4)If you are stateing an opinion--clearly indicate so
Ive lurked for almost 2 years and while I do see some who actually KNOW how to debate---most are just spouting off for the sake of spouting off....I realize that it is most likely a waste of my expectations to see TRUE debates but one can always hope...

[Nirvana13666]

War is not only an act, but a state or condition. Nations are said to be at war not only when their armies are engaged but also when they have any matter of controversy or dispute subsisting between them which they are determined to decide by the use of force, and have declared publicly, or by their acts, their determination so to decide it.

To legalize a war it must be declared by that branch of the government entrusted by the Constitution with this power. And it seems it need not be declared by both the belligerent powers. By the Constitution of the United States, Article I, Congress is invested with power "to declare war, grant letters of marquee and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; and they have also the power to raise and support armies, and to provide and maintain a navy."

[Nirvana13666]

Through the twentieth century, with a single exception, every time major war has broken out anywhere in the world, or whenever American forces have become involved in any fighting whatever, the American stock market has always plunged sharply downward.

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/1/03 09:04 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: What is a war? By what standards is one mesured? Please feel free to leave any war related comments here.

A war is genocide. No more, no less.

[mrpopenfresh]

Maybe i phrased my topic wrong. I meant before, there was things like man to man combat and now, its basically american planes going into a foreign country and droppingbombs on it. the evolution of war

[ProtoBassX]

At 5/1/03 09:04 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: What is a war? By what standards is one mesured? Please feel free to leave any war related comments here.

I think war used to be people fighting over land, either hand to hand with swords, axes and armor. Now its basically people bombing other people until they run outta bombs because they're to afraid to go back through evelution to use those kinda tactics. That's all I'm sayin'.

[Raptorman]

Sigh no, war is not genocide, genocide is genocide. War is two sides kicking the hell out of each other untill one side gives up/leaves/does what to otherguy tells them to do. Genocide is when, after you kick the hell out of them, you round them for more efficent elimination with the end goal of there being no more of them ever.

[Cutler]

It's a special time in a boys life when he looks at some one who is different and realizes that she's a girl. And then realizes that only he wants to make sweet love to her so he must protect her by killing off all competition. And that what war is all about. Killing for the ladies. I mean with out women there would be no war. Hell we would probably all just commit suicide. Or worse.......

[mrpopenfresh]

At 5/3/03 07:44 PM, Cutler wrote:

And that what war is all about. Killing for the ladies. I mean with out women there would be no war. Hell we would probably all just commit suicide. Or worse.......
Worst6 comparison ever.

[Gonzo456]

A War is typically a conflict between two or more powers/views. When these two powers/views disagree on something they fight for what they think is just.

[Evil-valet]

So true women cuase us to kill but thats ok becuase they give us sex. And If we did not have sex we would not have a reason to live. so we just kill to live.

[KWAS71KCK]

war is a disagreement between two people basically. goes from a common backyard brawl, to WW2

[Shih]

Ugly, brutal, and unfortunately sometimes necessary. Just because we don't like to think about it or watch it doesn't change that sometimes the ugly and brutal must be done.

[Slizor]

War is when a group of men get together.

[Shih]

At 5/5/03 01:19 PM, Slizor wrote: War is when a group of men get together.

Because we all know no women have been involved in a war ever.

[nitroxide]

war is a propagandize idea spread simply by the sight or thought of national threat...whatever it is its basically murder and i would never be in war unlees it was fighting for the fall of goverment

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/3/03 08:17 AM, Raptorman wrote: Sigh no, war is not genocide, genocide is genocide. War is two sides kicking the hell out of each other untill one side gives up/leaves/does what to otherguy tells them to do. Genocide is when, after you kick the hell out of them, you round them for more efficent elimination with the end goal of there being no more of them ever.

Possibly, but in the Iraq war, it fits more into the Genocide theory though. It was very one sided. The Americans are rounding up all the Baath party members and arresting them.

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/5/03 12:58 PM, Shih wrote: Ugly, brutal, and unfortunately sometimes necessary. Just because we don't like to think about it or watch it doesn't change that sometimes the ugly and brutal must be done.

NEVER necessary. A war has absolutely no redeeming factors. Think about it if your dad died in the night because a bomb hit the house. Think you then crawling through the rubble outside and finding yourself in hospital four days later. You have first degree burns all over your body ans your arms have been amputated. You lie in bed, in torrents of pain because nobody in Iraq has any Morphine that they can provide you.

Its true, unfortunately. Try telling Ali that this war was necessary.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/6/03 02:02 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 5/5/03 12:58 PM, Shih wrote: Ugly, brutal, and unfortunately sometimes necessary. Just because we don't like to think about it or watch it doesn't change that sometimes the ugly and brutal must be done.

NEVER necessary. A war has absolutely no redeeming factors.

so your saying that the UK should have just rolled over for the Nazis because it would have been better than having a war? Get real man, the reasons for the war on Iraq might be disputable, but the reasons for some wars are completely justifiable.

[Shih]

Or any of the other times in history when war has been necessary to remove those who sought power for it's abuse. Like FUNK pointed out this topic isn't just about the war in Iraq.

[TheShrike]

Armed conflict.

End of post.

[Shih]

Succinct Shrike.

[Jimsween]

At 5/6/03 12:45 PM, nitroxide wrote: war is a propagandize idea spread simply by the sight or thought of national threat...whatever it is its basically murder and i would never be in war unlees it was fighting for the fall of goverment

Can you name one upside to anarchism that there isnt a downside to? Thought not...