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Salvia was the biggest waste of money. It didn't do anything the first time, and barely did anything the second time. There's a reason why it's legal. I could probably get just as fucked up smoking a pine cone.

People my mom's age smoke pot all the time, and they're almost all nasty. :p I'm not saying there's a direct corellation, but I find it odd that kids want to get involved in stuff that is primarily used by middle aged people anyway. It doesn't seem to be doing anyone I know any good. :/ Besides, if you're a guy, it'll cause deformities in your sperm cells over time, to such an extent that they won't be able to penetrate an ovum and get a girl pregnant. Nice if you want an easy birth control, but not so nice if you ever want to have kids.

And to the guy who said it's never caused any deaths at all, please go look up the cases where people have driven cars while high and gotten into accidents. Thanks. I've had see three of my high school friends buried before I was twenty thanks to pot. All of them were vehicle accidents, and all they were on at the time was marijuana. :/

As for salvia, I've heard loads of weird stuff about it, but nothing conclusive. I agree with the guy who says it's an experimental thing, because judging from what I've read, it's the only thing I'd be able to think of to describe it, not having used it. :p I have no interest in trying things that warp my sense of reality and take over my mind, lol. I like to remain in control. ;)

At 2/27/07 11:49 PM, monssiourDEVINE wrote:

i was freaking out. i needed to get out of it. Sleeping was the only way i could have. But thinking back on it there were so many things i should've done. The guy supposedly got it for free, so it could've been laced. PCP, possibly. But i dunno. It was incredibly strong for everyone, and i think 5 [or somewhere around there] hits was a little much for a first time.

been there man. first time i freaked out, i felt like i could feel anyhting, and that i was gonna pass out. i flipped out, and my friend stayed up with me for a long as time. i was even high the next day. it sucked.

my new rule is to only smoke during the day. for some reason i get less scared then, i dunno why

At 2/27/07 11:48 PM, wan-tan-soup14 wrote: I'm wondering if it is bad enough for your mental helath as marijuana is. Despite many of the replies here, i've heard that marijuana obviously kills brain cells, making one's reaction time a lot slower. i dunno, that's what i read in some article.

ARE YOU FUCKING DENSE?

Did you not read my reply? There is no conclusive evidence that it causes cell death. It makes reaction time slower while on a trip, not any time afterwards. It does not make you slow.

Same with salvia. You don't want addiction information? Fine. There is absolutely no evidence that salvia has any detrimental health effects.

Happy?

At 2/27/07 11:54 PM, wan-tan-soup14 wrote:

At 2/27/07 11:49 PM, monssiourDEVINE wrote:

i was freaking out. i needed to get out of it. Sleeping was the only way i could have. But thinking back on it there were so many things i should've done. The guy supposedly got it for free, so it could've been laced. PCP, possibly. But i dunno. It was incredibly strong for everyone, and i think 5 [or somewhere around there] hits was a little much for a first time.

been there man. first time i freaked out, i felt like i could feel anyhting, and that i was gonna pass out. i flipped out, and my friend stayed up with me for a long as time. i was even high the next day. it sucked.

my new rule is to only smoke during the day. for some reason i get less scared then, i dunno why

i smoked in a fucking forest of all places. We were all so stoned it took us like 3 hours to get out or something. i don't know exactly how long it took, because time was fucked up, but it was a hell of a long time. And i basically lost feeling of everything and felt as though i was watching myself and wow. Too much to explain. But it was crazy.

Salvia is not the same as smoking weed, and if the guy wants to use a drug to replace weed, tell him to stop being a tool and to just start smoking weed again.

My friend got some salvia and wanted me to try, but I never did. He read a lot about it before using it to find out what he was in for, and from what he told me, it seems obvious that salvia is far more risky than smoking pot.

He said for first time salvia users you should do it around close friends, people you can trust not to fuck around with you while you are high. Listen to ambient music while you do it. My friend told me about the music part, and when he smoked he was listening to something else, and afterwards he told me how the music was making him really angry. And, nothing to do with potential risk, but the effects of salvia only last like 5 - 10 minutes. Although my friend says, from what he read, you can feel like you have passed by many years. He hasn't experienced that himself yet, though. The times he did it he didn't hallucinate much either, he just said at his strangest moment he felt like he was viewing things from some other perspective other than himself, and I think he said something about feeling like he was watching himself, but he was someone else.

At 2/27/07 11:48 PM, wan-tan-soup14 wrote:

I'm wondering if it is bad enough for your mental helath as marijuana is. Despite many of the replies here, i've heard that marijuana obviously kills brain cells, making one's reaction time a lot slower. i dunno, that's what i read in some article.

That's nice. Read the first sentence of the link I gave you.

salvia is a potent hallicinogen, actually more potent than weed, though much shorter-acting. i have used a decent amount of salivia, and experienced no long-term effects as of yet. neither weed or salvia are particularly good for you, but neither are they very harmful. let your friend make his own choices, and eal with what consequences arise from it.

Eh, I wouldn't worry about it.

Because unless he starts smoking Salvia as often as he would weed, theres no way it's going to be as harmful to the brain has weed is.

Salvia isn't addictive and therefore it is basically unheard of for people to create a habit of it. It's not the type of drug you just smoke to get high, it is a powerful psychedelic that rocks your work. Even the most frequent users smoke it no more than once a week or so.

At 2/27/07 10:57 PM, Maus wrote:

At 2/27/07 10:53 PM, Bovineoverlord wrote: Yes it is. Salvia is the same as pot: The latin name of marijuana is
cannibis salvia.

That's a bit misleading. The two drugs are from the same plant families, but they are not the same. That's like saying morphine and opium are the same drug.

Cannabis is often cannabis SATVIA, although it can also be indica, and salvia is SALVIA DIVIDORIUM, a type of sage and an entirely different drug. There is ABSOLUTELY NO SIMILARITY and it's about as related to cannabis as it is a rosebush.

There are no reports of salvia causing any damage although I wouldn't think it's good for your lungs. I would never smoke it as a weed subsitute because it's entirely different.

There are alot of complete morons in this thread.

Salvia and Marijuana are ENTIRELY different, they are NOT related to eachother and DO NOT have the same effects.

At 2/28/07 01:14 AM, JesusBukkake wrote:

At 2/27/07 10:57 PM, Maus wrote:

At 2/27/07 10:53 PM, Bovineoverlord wrote: Yes it is. Salvia is the same as pot: The latin name of marijuana is
cannibis salvia.

That's a bit misleading. The two drugs are from the same plant families, but they are not the same. That's like saying morphine and opium are the same drug.

Cannabis is often cannabis SATVIA,

Actually its Cannabis Sativa.

and salvia is SALVIA DIVIDORIUM a type of sage and an entirely different drug.

Actually its Salvia Divinorum and its in the mint family.

At 2/27/07 10:53 PM, Bovineoverlord wrote:

At 2/27/07 10:49 PM, SeeInTheDark wrote: Salvia is not addictive or habit forming.

Yes it is. Salvia is the same as pot: The latin name of marijuana is
cannibis salvia.

c-a-n-n-i-b-i-s s-a-t-i-v-a-s.

Salvia is kind of risky for your brain. If you take too much in one sitting you could get brain damage and fuck over your comfortable state of legal sanity. It's not very likely to happen, but it's a possibility.

At 2/27/07 11:53 PM, Shuko wrote:

And to the guy who said it's never caused any deaths at all, please go look up the cases where people have driven cars while high and gotten into accidents. Thanks. I've had see three of my high school friends buried before I was twenty thanks to pot. All of them were vehicle accidents, and all they were on at the time was marijuana. :/

first of all, how are you going to link their death to pot? Considering it stays in the system for an extended period of time, it could have been a number of things. The roads could have been bad. Or perhaps he was a dumb-head and went out after smoking pot and drove around. However, I rather doubt that he would get the idea, after smoking enough pot to get himself high, to go out and cruise about in his car. Pot isn't like alcohol; you don't want to do shit when you're high. You can blame it on whatever you want, but I really doubt that pot is a valid source of blame.
also, I believe I made it clear that it is impossible to die from overdose. In the case that I didn't, allow me to make it very clear. YOU CANNOT OVERDOSE ON MARIJUANA. WITH THIS FACT IN MIND, LET ME MAKE IT QUITE PLAIN TO YOU THAT NOBODY HAS EVER DIED FROM JUST SMOKING POT. Yes, people have driven while smoking a bowl and their reaction time went down and they got into a crash. However, you can't blame pot on the death of people who smoked it while driving any more than you can blame guns on school shootings.
I apologize if I didn't make myself clear.

i tripped balls on salvia on time laughin like crazy

Ntot really, but it can put you into a mental hospital. It works differently then other drugs- instead of blocking nuerotransmitters, it tricks the brian into releasing chemicals that get released when you die, which are the strongest ahllucogenic/whatever chemicals you can get.
In fact, did you know that the 'white light' people claim to see after being brought back is the chemicals effects? Yep. The brain lives about 12 minutes after the body dies as long as it isnt destroyed completly, then it dies from oxygen starvation. The pituary gland can make you see funky things when you die. However, worry not, its quite possible youll go to heaven for eternity and such and scuh- the brian can easily make 1 second into an eternity in itself.

At 2/27/07 10:51 PM, Bazi wrote: It's legal so I doubt it's as harmful.

don't know for sure tho

Cigarettes are legal..

At 2/27/07 10:55 PM, Slapdamonkeyaz wrote: Cough syrup wasn't illegal, and kids still could hallucinate offa that stuff.

Even better offa Sharpies, man. I once saw dancing eyeballs. Duuuuuuuuuuude.

i think certain drugs were left on earth by god to facilitate and speed up our evolution
mushrooms grow in cow shit, where do you think the expression "this is good shit" came from?
hindu's think cows are sacred beings "holy shit"

btw if you smoke salvia, you may see a mirror of your own being :P
I've smoked it, many times, people have told me the experience is comparable to LSD
it can be kinda traumatic if you don't take it the right way, you have to relax

At 2/27/07 11:55 PM, Hierophant wrote:

ARE YOU FUCKING DENSE?

You don't want addiction information? Fine. There is absolutely no evidence that salvia has any detrimental health effects.

Happy?

Yeppers. I thank ye kindly for your help.

seriously. Thanks to everyone.

Does it matter? Unless you're making a bet with him, would it really matter if your friend did break his promise?

Being clean or being "sober" generally means not abusing any drugs of ANY kind. Alcoholics who have gone sober have refrained from drinking so much as beer which I doubt would be as intense as abusing salvia. You're friend isn't sober (as he is currently abusing drugs) and has therefor broken his vow. Not as if it really mattered...

I just reread my last post, and my spelling is horrible.

At 2/28/07 11:13 PM, Unimportant wrote: Does it matter? Unless you're making a bet with him, would it really matter if your friend did break his promise?

5 bucks....

At 2/28/07 11:14 PM, Frost wrote: I just reread my last post, and my spelling is horrible.

you are forgiven

salvia has no known side effects and the trip only lasts for 5 minutes or so, so it isn't harmful. that being said, you're right about salvia being just as harmful as weed, which is NOT AT ALL. neither drug is bad for your health

Salvia is only legal because legislation hasn't gotten to it yet.

But the DEA and several states are working hard to make it a schedule 1 controlled substance.

Of course, there's no actual evidence of its harms, but since when has science ever stopped the antidrug political agenda?

Anyway, the thing about salvia is that it's a hallucinogen. All hallucinogens carry the same risk of its user randomly going insane. It doesn't happen that often but it is very possible. Lots of kids who use Hallucinogens at young ages and do them ALOT end up developing schizophrenia.

Pot on the other hand is only harmful if you start doing it so much that it gets in the way of your life.

doesn't making something that grows naturally, in nature, seem a little paranoid?
thats like saying that GOD made a mistake,
its like on the 7th day, god says "there it is, my creation, perfect in all ways"
then he looks around "oh my me...i left fucking POT everywhere, that might give the impression that people are supposed to USE IT. Man i shoulda never smoked that joint on the forth day....that was the day I created POSSUMS, heheeh still gives me a chuckle"

At 2/27/07 10:57 PM, Maus wrote:

At 2/27/07 10:53 PM, Bovineoverlord wrote: Yes it is. Salvia is the same as pot: The latin name of marijuana is
cannibis salvia.

That's a bit misleading. The two drugs are from the same plant families, but they are not the same. That's like saying morphine and opium are the same drug.

Wait, are you two fucking serious?

You're both completely wrong.

Salvia and Cannabis are two COMPLETELY different species of plant.

Salvia is a genus of plants that include mint plants. There are many, many species of salvia. The hallucinogenic Salvia is Salvia Divinorum. All other forms of salvia are just harmless mint plants that couldnt get you high if you tried.

The name for marijuana is Cannabis SATIVA. There are three species of Cannabis: Sativa, Indica, and Ruderalis. Sativa and Indica get you high. Ruderalis doesn't have enough THC to get anyone high. It's mostly for hemp. But it's still illegal cuz it "looks like a marijuana plant and sends the wrong message to kids." I'm dead serious.

Just because something gets you high doesn't mean it causes brain damage.

At 2/27/07 11:31 PM, Hierophant wrote: Alright, here we go.

First of all, your friend didn't get a D because of marijuana. He got a D because he's a dipshit.

Secondly, marijuana is not as harmful to your body as most people believe. It has never been linked to cancer, in any form. It has never caused a single death in the history of existance. Alcohol and tobacco, two legal drugs, are infinitely more deadly than marijuana. And yet it's illegal. This is because of one simple reason: the alcohol and tobacco industries don't want it as competition.

God im so happy you typed this. I was about to type something along these lines after reading about 5 extremely misinformed posts.

At 2/28/07 10:53 PM, Frost wrote: Ntot really, but it can put you into a mental hospital. It works differently then other drugs- instead of blocking nuerotransmitters, it tricks the brian into releasing chemicals that get released when you die, which are the strongest ahllucogenic/whatever chemicals you can get.

Not true. You're thinking of DMT, the most powerful, rare and illegal hallucinogen in the world. DMIT is actually the same chemical released in the brain that causes dreaming and near-death visions. But DMT is the ONLY drug that effects the DMT levels in the brain.

Different drugs work in much different ways. I'm not sure how Salvia works, but I know it doesn't work on DMT. LSD effects serotonin levels, though. Maybe Salvia does the same.

Anyway, as with all hallucinogens (except peyote) there is a subtle but very present risk of waking up one day and going completely insane.

At 2/28/07 11:36 PM, geforce7800GT wrote:

At 2/28/07 10:53 PM, Frost wrote: Ntot really, but it can put you into a mental hospital. It works differently then other drugs- instead of blocking nuerotransmitters, it tricks the brian into releasing chemicals that get released when you die, which are the strongest ahllucogenic/whatever chemicals you can get.

Not true. You're thinking of DMT, the most powerful, rare and illegal hallucinogen in the world. DMIT is actually the same chemical released in the brain that causes dreaming and near-death visions. But DMT is the ONLY drug that effects the DMT levels in the brain.

Different drugs work in much different ways. I'm not sure how Salvia works, but I know it doesn't work on DMT. LSD effects serotonin levels, though. Maybe Salvia does the same.

Anyway, as with all hallucinogens (except peyote) there is a subtle but very present risk of waking up one day and going completely insane.

Ahh. Maybe.

I've read though that the biggest risk with salvia is insanity itself- it literally warps your spectrum of reality and consciousness if you trip hard enough, and it'll last for what seems to be forever sometimes.

I wouldn't advocate doing it.