Al Gore Gots Some 'splainin' To Do.

[Shuko]

I live in Tennessee. I've lived here for nearly 14 years now, and I can tell you that not once have I ever voted for Al Gore for any political office. The reasons are obvious to most Tennesseans. He's screwed our state over royally in a number of wonderfully devious, hypocritical, and self agenda-ridden ways. That being said, I'm going to try to keep the rest of this post as objective as possible... if I can. :)

I heard on the news this morning that Al's own constituents in the effort to stop Global Warming are asking the ex-Vice President to practice what he preaches. It seems Al's urging for Americans to conserve energy in their homes and cut back have fallen on deaf ears in his own household. His Nashville mansion (which he rarely even lives in, btw) consumes more than twenty times the electric and gas energy in a single year than the average american home does.

I'm sure this is taken out of context in some way, but it sounds very impressive just the same. I've never had any great love for Al Gore, and I personally believe that his whole Global Warming theory is just a crock anyway, considering the fact that recorded climate data only goes back 200 years anyway - less than a nanosecond in our planet's history - and all the other readings they've taken from ice and rock samples only show that we may be on the verge of a heating trend - something our planet goes through regularly, with or without human involvement. It in no way proves that humans cause our planet's natural climactic changes. His whole campaign is an effort to scare people and get rich celebrities and politicians (as well as taxpayers) to give him money for his "cause" which I'm sure is for one of his own agendas, as we've seen happen so much here in our state.

So what do you think? Do you think this recent revelation about his own energy consumption is going to make him step back and start practicing what he preaches, and cut his own consumption? Or will he find a way to avoid the issue, or draw attention elsewhere? Or do you think we just don't have enough information yet to get the big picture?

I'm kind of stuck between the second and the last one, lol. I've learned not to take what he says very seriously, but I've also learned that the media likes to show things in a very one-sided fashion - which ever way sounds the most sensational and dramatic. A lot of things are taken out of context for these kinds of stories.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 2/27/07 10:28 AM, Shuko wrote: I'm kind of stuck between the second and the last one, lol. I've learned not to take what he says very seriously, but I've also learned that the media likes to show things in a very one-sided fashion - which ever way sounds the most sensational and dramatic. A lot of things are taken out of context for these kinds of stories.

When I see Al Gore driving a hybrid or electric car, see him flying commercially with a hundred other people rather than wastefully flying with just his handlers on a private jet, and so on, then I'll start trying to reduce my "carbon footprint" on his recommendations.

Listening to Al Gore tell me that I'm causing global warming is like listening to a partially clothed preacher coming out of a bordello to give a sermon on how lust and adultery are sins, and we should all be ashamed.

[thomtomw]

what did you expect he is a politician, find me one who actually lives by what they say is right. i hopes hes forced to practice what he is preaching, that would a least set an example.

[Gunter45]

At 2/27/07 10:53 AM, thomtomw wrote: what did you expect he is a politician, find me one who actually lives by what they say is right. i hopes hes forced to practice what he is preaching, that would a least set an example.

If you're even going to fake strong convictions about an issue, you should, at the very least, set pretenses. You're right, most politicians are completely two-faced and dishonest, but the least that Al Gore could do is try to pretend that he's moral. That's the smart play to make. Otherwise shit like this happens and he looks like the scumball that he is.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 2/27/07 11:59 AM, Gunter45 wrote: If you're even going to fake strong convictions about an issue, you should, at the very least, set pretenses. You're right, most politicians are completely two-faced and dishonest, but the least that Al Gore could do is try to pretend that he's moral. That's the smart play to make. Otherwise shit like this happens and he looks like the scumball that he is.

Hey now, "scumball" is a little strong, don't you think? Unlike some people, he has the courage to address the global warming problem by making a profit from it.

:P

[Gunter45]

At 2/27/07 12:22 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Hey now, "scumball" is a little strong, don't you think? Unlike some people, he has the courage to address the global warming problem by making a profit from it.

P

Truly this is a man among men.

[emmytee]

Holy hell its like you people think Al Gore 'invented global warming'. He's just cashing in on it to make himself a quick buck, it's not "his" theory.

[deadhand31]

This is also coming from a man who refuses to debate opposing viewpoints. He will only accept a discussion of global warming under the following conditions:

1. You must agree with his science.
2. All data to be presented has to be presented to him in advance.
3. All questions must be submitted in advance.

If he's so convinced in his science, then why won't he have an open discussion where he can combat the other person's view?

[Peter-II]

Hypocrisy in politicians? HOLD THE MOTHERFUCKING FRONT PAGE!!!!

But yeah, a lot of so-called eco-friendly people, particularly if they have a lot of money, are severe hypocrites. Chris Martin, frontman of the popular band Coldplay, for instance.

Never take what these people say at face value, is the bottom line.

[Demosthenez]

I saw Sean Penn on a commerical flight going from San Francisco International to Miami International, a guy that could definately afford a private jet, so I guess that is to be respected from him.

[SirXVII]

I know this isn't going to be a debate about Global Warming, but I'm trying to understand why people are still trying to say it's a THEORY!

Oh my God wake up, the world is getting warmer no doubt, but people are still hard on saying that we are not the cause. There is also people saying that there is not way there is Global Warming.

I'm taking a Chemistry class and we had to turn in a paper on our thoughts of Global Warming. Afterwards he said the class was half and half. Then he said one half was wrong and by the time the semester is over he'll have everyone conviced its real.

The internation group of scientist have come out and said that Global Warming is a fact. THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL GROUP OF SCIENTIST! In fact there is a report recently about what they said about it: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070227/ts_nm/glo balwarming_report_dc_1

I mean, come on, this isn't about ecinomics or politics. This isn't about everyone having some sort of an agenda to change things to fit their view of the world. This is a serious issue that we are not going to pay for just because someone wants to spread the issue of a "debate". This isn't a normal climate change in the world, this is very real and this is happening. We are the cause and people need to face the facts. The drastic change is going to happen VERY SOON not only something our children will pay for, but we will pay for as well.

Anyway, I know people somehow are going to disagree with me and the track we are going on there are chances nothing will change.

We got a bleak future to look forward too.

Thanks human race.

[Korriken]

At 2/27/07 08:20 PM, SirXVII wrote: I know this isn't going to be a debate about Global Warming, but I'm trying to understand why people are still trying to say it's a THEORY!

the very fact that we exist is little more than a theory. unless it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, then it is a theory, gravity if a fact, we all know what gravity is, large enough masses pull things towards it, and how it works. you jump, you fall. global warming is not so clear cut.

[fahrenheit]

At 2/27/07 08:20 PM, SirXVII wrote: The internation group of scientist have come out and said that Global Warming is a fact.

Your right, dont actually try and figure things out for yourself.

Just ignore some evidence of increasing ice caps.
That the United States, obviously being one of the larger producers of chemical and waste, has on average only increased .3 - .4 C despite a nationwide .7 C.
The fact that despite CO2 (widely claimed as being a major source of global warming) have a consinstent increase since 1900, there have been a few down climings of average temperature.

But other than that your right, global warming is fact that shouldnt be questioned.

[fahrenheit]

My bad, instead of nationwide I meant worldwide.

[Shuko]

Well, let's be hypothetical for a moment. Say we are heading for a warming trend, as long as scientific theories are to be believed. Let's just assume for now that they are. This is what could happen.

The Polar ice caps would melt off, at least somewhat. This is a pretty commonly accepted effect, right? So say that happens. If it does, it would dilute the oceans and make them less saline. When that happens, it will affect the ocean's currents. Do you know what happens when the ocean's currents get disrupted?

An ice age.

That's right. Desalinating the oceans causes the currents to cease, and that opens the door for a new ice age. The "warming trend" scientists are predicting is really just a precursor to the ice age we're due for. :/ I don't know what's going on in scientists' minds, but any climatologist should be able to tell you that this has happened before for every ice age, and is bound to happen again. Global warming, as we know it, is just a precursor to another ice age. Why is that so hard to understand?

Al Gore, along with proponents of human-induced global warming theories, think that cutting back on emissions and usage of fossil fuels can slow or even stop this process. What they fail to realize that it's not just humans at work here. Solar cycles, precession, and a number of other uncontrollable factors contribute themselves to our planet's climate changes. What the one person said about reforesting would do a lot more to "counter" the effects, but it wouldn't be able to stop them either. We're headed for an ice age. I believe it's inevitable. Whether or not it's in our lifetimes is unlikely, but it's not too far off if we can already feel the effects of its coming.

[Elfer]

Is Al Gore's hypocrisy a resonable excuse to pollute?

The genetic fallacy isn't a good reason to say everyone should keep fucking up the environment as much as they want.

[Shuko]

At 2/28/07 09:31 AM, Elfer wrote: Is Al Gore's hypocrisy a resonable excuse to pollute?

The genetic fallacy isn't a good reason to say everyone should keep fucking up the environment as much as they want.

Agreed. But let's be realistic. Fossil fuels won't last forever, and when they do run out, the same entities that controlled them have clean energy alternatives in sheds just waiting for that day. Why do you suppose oil companies have rabidly bought up rights to every kind of alternative fuel source cars and other appliances they can get their grubby hands on?

As for the industrial pollution, it needs to stop anyway. children are being born with birth defects and people are getting sick from contaminated water. In Mexico alone this is getting to be a widely recognized big deal. So many factories from the states moved shop to Mexico because of the lack of pollution laws. But Mexico is starting to take notice, and it's only a matter of time before they start regulating waste management too.

We're a pretty messy race of creatures, aren't we? :( I never tried to draw attention away from that fact. I was simply pointing out that Gore isn't a saint either, and if he were worth anything, he'd set a better example.

[Gunter45]

Here's the bottom line about global warming. It's not going to kill us, there's no way in hell. What the fuck do you think happened when the world started getting warmer from the Ice Age (even though we're technically still in an Ice Age because there's an ice cap on both poles)? I can guarantee you that it's a damned sight warmer than when tundra extended well into the modern-day United States. Did our primitive ancestors die off horribly? Of course not, and, keep in mind here, that the height of technology for these people was a mammoth bone. Big deal if the temperature gets a little warmer and the coasts recede. You make it seem like it's going to happen overnight. Mankind is the primier species on earth for the simple reason that not only can we survive anything, we can adapt so quickly that we will, in fact, thrive in any situation.

So, regardless of whether global warming is our fault or not, it's not going to devastate humanity.

[AvocadoClock]

At 2/28/07 09:31 AM, Elfer wrote: Is Al Gore's hypocrisy a resonable excuse to pollute?

That's what I'm seeing here. Let's hate on Al Gore and completely ignore that pollution has an effect on our environment! Let's keep filling up landholes and letting the industry giants throw smoke in our air because Al flies a private jet! Yay, great.

I applaud Al for bringing about awareness to pollution regardless of "political motivations" associated with it.

[Shuko]

At 2/28/07 01:47 PM, AvocadoClock wrote:

At 2/28/07 09:31 AM, Elfer wrote: Is Al Gore's hypocrisy a resonable excuse to pollute?

That's what I'm seeing here. Let's hate on Al Gore and completely ignore that pollution has an effect on our environment! Let's keep filling up landholes and letting the industry giants throw smoke in our air because Al flies a private jet! Yay, great.

I applaud Al for bringing about awareness to pollution regardless of "political motivations" associated with it.

Where in my post did I ever say that we need to forget about global issues of pollution and environmentalism? The topic is not about that. It's about Al Gore and how for all of his loud talk, he doesn't seem to be following through with it. If that's not a decent excuse for a topic, then I can accept that. But just because the topic doesn't fit what you want it to be about is no reason to complain. Make your own topic if you are dissatisfied with mine, lol. I'd just rather mine didn't get hijacked.

[AvocadoClock]

At 2/28/07 01:50 PM, Shuko wrote: It's about Al Gore and how for all of his loud talk, he doesn't seem to be following through with it. If that's not a decent excuse for a topic, then I can accept that.

When I was reading through the topic I expected Al's faults, if they were going to be pointed out, to be something a little heftier than him flying a private jet or his house taking up electricity. One could argue that the awareness he brings with his movie and campaign has far outweighed the use of a private jet (which could easily be used for meetings revolving about such issues) or the electricity from his house which could easily have been overlooked by someone with such a full schedule.

Kinda nit picky if you ask me. If Al was spotted littering or dumping oil into a sewer, then I'd be a bit surprised. Otherwise, I just see a political attack on his character. :/

[Shuko]

At 2/28/07 01:59 PM, AvocadoClock wrote: When I was reading through the topic I expected Al's faults, if they were going to be pointed out, to be something a little heftier than him flying a private jet or his house taking up electricity. One could argue that the awareness he brings with his movie and campaign has far outweighed the use of a private jet (which could easily be used for meetings revolving about such issues) or the electricity from his house which could easily have been overlooked by someone with such a full schedule.

Kinda nit picky if you ask me. If Al was spotted littering or dumping oil into a sewer, then I'd be a bit surprised. Otherwise, I just see a political attack on his character. :/

All right then. :) Now I understand your point better.

You make a valid point. In the grand scheme of things, what the article talks about isn't something that seems very consequential. But what if everyone followed suit? As a prominent spokesperson for preservation, conservation, and the environment, it just seems to me that if he wants to make his points hold more weight, he should be willing to go the extra mile to prove to the average American that it's doable, worthwhile, and acceptable to cut back on unnecessary consumption. He lives in that mansion of his very infrequently, and all the while it stays stagnant, requiring vast amounts of energy to keep it air conditioned or heated throughout the year. His family isn't very large. Why would he need such a large one?

Perhaps it does seem petty, but again, you don't have to take it at face value, or as proof that he's a blatant hypocrite. You're free to draw your own conclusions. That's really all I have to say on the matter. ;)

[EKublai]

As always I instantly rush to the aid of al gore. Though I think that this is an important issue I want the topic starter being from Tennessee, to know exactly where that information came from.-

Tennessee Center for Policy Research

In addition Nashville Electric Spokeswoman Laurie Parker says that they did not give the group any figures on Gore's consumption.

[Demosthenez]

At 2/28/07 01:59 PM, AvocadoClock wrote: Kinda nit picky if you ask me. If Al was spotted littering or dumping oil into a sewer, then I'd be a bit surprised. Otherwise, I just see a political attack on his character. :/

This would be like finding Pat Robertson in bed with four Mexican hookers that he smuggled across the border with Hugo Chavez in the passenger seat. Attack on his character? Damn fucking right, if he is going to preach a message he for damn sure better follow at least some of his own words. But nit picky? Fuck no.

At 2/28/07 01:47 PM, AvocadoClock wrote: I applaud Al for bringing about awareness to pollution regardless of "political motivations" associated with it.

You are applauding a hypocritical jackass that is preaching one message and completly disregarding it on the other hand, telling us "commoners" to change while he isnt?

You are a retard. Sorry bro. And Al Gore can go shove it up his ass.

At 2/27/07 08:20 PM, SirXVII wrote: I'm taking a Chemistry class and we had to turn in a paper on our thoughts of Global Warming. Afterwards he said the class was half and half. Then he said one half was wrong and by the time the semester is over he'll have everyone conviced its real.

No offense to your chemistry teacher, I think he is highly out of his league. Highly. Mixing shit together in a beaker doesnt mean he can speak on global warming and you should for sure keep this in mind, unless he has some qualification I am unaware of.

We got a bleak future to look forward too.
Thanks human race.

You are20, you have been preached one side of the story religiously by your teachers, you aint telling us anything new so spare us the preaching and the fear mongering.

I am frankly in doubt of global warming. Let me rephrase that actually, I am in doubt of the severity of global warming that is being preached or that humans are in fact the cause of it. And the most vocal proponents are scare mongering fools and the scientists are making predictions that have been wrong again and again. I frankly doubt there is a single person on the planet that is qualified to speak on global warming. I mean, fuck, if weathermen cant even get rain right or how many hurricanes will hit each year (along with their severity), why should I trust their judgement on speaking on the ENTIREITY of our global health?

But barring that, I am all for cracking down on polluting industries. I will not protect thier profit margin just so they can pollute more and if the scientists are correct, better to be safe than sorry.

[JudgeDredd]

I live somewhere which is well positioned to profit hansomely from Global Warming, so like Demosthenez i'm starting to wonder why we should even care about something "way off in the future", after all it's a heavily-oversold theory, and no-one on Earth is either qualified in Global Warming 101, or is so convincing enough to make a jot of difference in how the majority of westernized or industrialized people behave anyhow.

So hey, why get all pent-up worrying about "what if", when pretty much everyone is like "who gives a fuck!". It's not like all those people living in high-rise beach-front condos can't afford to move inland even supposing the worse-case scenario timeframe.

see ..just don't mention third-world problems to pull off a highly convincing argument ;O)

[Dakurus]

Bloody hell people, the planet's changing all the time. This Global Warming bullshit has gone too far. The hottest day in Australia was recorded in 1898, 53 degrees C, gee, must've been Global Warming's fault. When it comes down to it, you're being led like a sheep in a herd by the shepherds.

[stupid1]

Al Gore: Oh My God Guys Manbearpig is real, Im Cereal! Im Super Cereal!

[Eoewe]

Somehow he ended up getting, allegedly, a nomination for the Nobel prize for his hard work on bringing global warming to peoples attention. I really hope that too doesn't go to his head and he starts claiming he discovered that as well.

[emmytee]

No. He won't win it. He can't. HE'S NOT EVEN A FUCKING SCIENTIST!!!!!

I hate that, he's just in it for the 'clever vote'. He knows that democrats are infinitely more intelligent than republicans, and that hence they 'believe in' (it feels weird for someone outside of the collective insanity we see in America to say 'believe in' in reference to a proven scientific theory) global warming, and so he sees a vote wining strategy.

[morefngdbs]

At 2/28/07 01:47 PM, AvocadoClock wrote:

I applaud Al for bringing about awareness to pollution regardless of "political motivations" associated with it.

;
Even if this guy is a hypocrite.
Let me suppose(as stated above) he has some hidden agenda, for some other position sucking the political teat in the future.
Doesn't the fact that he is actually getting the message about global warming out there, count for something?
It seems to me that everyone active or attempting to get the attention of the voters , gets on a bandwagon and attempts to draw attention to themselves.
But if what your actions lead to are , in this case , a better awareness of a problem.
Even though we're not really sure the 'terrible' consequences predicted are true.
Isn't a better awareness , a good thing?
I know ,just from where I live in Canada that the winters as a whole are milder.
The ice which is usually thick & well established in the Gulf of St. Lawerence was so bad last year seals for the most part had to come ashore to whelp thier pups.
It isn't looking all that much better this year.