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Aww man, I wish I could say this was the first time this had happened to me, today.

Hmm... supposed to be a picture there.

Fear our weapons of mass destruction!

I have a friend in Australia who says a "dag" is someone who's a nerd or a loser.

*Realizes he's on the internet right now, too...*

Damn.

At 5/7/03 10:27 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Fear our weapons of mass destruction!

I leave for two days, and threads fall to poop weapons?!? God, I'm never going to win in the game of life. Hey a quarter!

I was about to send a political message......

With poop.

I have nothing to do with the poop gun thank you very much. Now does anyone have some buffalo wings.

The good news is yes, I have some buffalo wings.

The bad news is that I....er.....accidentaly dropped....er...the "poop pistol".....in...the buffalo wings? Theyre still alright....if you pick the dags out of them.......

NO!!!!!!! Aww well 10 second rule.
On an unrelated note what happened to that cannibal guy who said he wanted to join up.

He made a sig, used the wrong damn swastika (the regular one, instead of the reversed one), and never came back. Welcome to the world of n00bs.

At 5/7/03 01:51 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: I was about to send a political message......

No doubt you'd enjoy this.

God ordered to break up into smaller deities

ah, yes, the onion (from which all hilarity doth ensue).

In the words of H. Herbert Kornfield,"that be some straight up wack ass shit, yo"

I still think your (aka the fucker aka el_foka) robot should blow shit up, whether he says DAG or not. Especially now that he is animated. Too bad I am but a novice in the sig makerering (sic).

It's el_fuckeroonie. Not the fucker. That's a title to you Mr.

Anyways, I don't need Mat4 blowing shit up, since his finger now scolds the DAG for existing!

Have you not noticed how your scolding only feeds us?
Wag that finger foka.

you have to admit, that is one damn sexy robot though.

Oh Yeah! Shake that finger baby! Yeah!

New recruit to the DAG... Looking forward to forcing my opinions down the throats of the weak minded until they gak a furrball...

And yea, even as did the DAG grow
Like a twisted seed from the loins of N'Sync
So too did the PCs know
the revolution was coming
and greatly did they tremble
Now let's go get some ribs

All Hail GnarlyCar, our newest disciple!

All that is left is the ceremonial sacrifice of a PC members precious time and patience.

<-----just got out of jail (11-29 probation, 3 days comm. service, $350 fine + court costs, for guess what? POSESSION OF MARIJUANA)

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=61494&page=6

yeah, I suck at photoshop......

I'm pretty sure I took care of that "PC member's time and patience" thing with a post I put on some string about video games bein the root of all evil...LOL

That mean I'm o-fuckin-feeshul now?

At 5/9/03 09:08 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: All Hail GnarlyCar, our newest disciple!

All that is left is the ceremonial sacrifice of a PC members precious time and patience.

<-----just got out of jail (11-29 probation, 3 days comm. service, $350 fine + court costs, for guess what? POSESSION OF MARIJUANA)

You're fucking kidding right FUNK? You got busted, man that fucking blows!

Yes Gnarly a bizzare biblical passage has been written about your arrival you are now official.

At 5/9/03 09:08 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: All Hail GnarlyCar, our newest disciple!

All that is left is the ceremonial sacrifice of a PC members precious time and patience.

<-----just got out of jail (11-29 probation, 3 days comm. service, $350 fine + court costs, for guess what? POSESSION OF MARIJUANA)

You're kidding right FUNK? You got busted man that fucking blows.

Yes Gnarly a bizarre psuedo-biblical passage has been written about you. Welcome to the DAG.

At 5/9/03 02:51 PM, Shih wrote:
You're kidding right FUNK? You got busted man that fucking blows.

I wish I were. However, now I can finally get some of those cool prison tattoos. I look on the brightside though, I was stoned like stephen (note biblical reference) when I got pulled over, but the cop couldnt figure it out (I have a high tolerance). So I could have actually gotten a DUI instead of just possession.

You know, the DAG's pretty sad. It's like FUNK and Shih's personal chat topic.

At 5/11/03 03:17 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: You know, the DAG's pretty sad. It's like FUNK and Shih's personal chat topic.

But would Shih, and now GnarlyCar, be regular posters if they hadnt found a group that doesnt discriminate against them for having a low post count? I think the PC is beginning to feel just a leeetle bit threatened....

LONG LIVE THE DAG!

At 5/11/03 03:28 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: But would Shih, and now GnarlyCar, be regular posters if they hadnt found a group that doesnt discriminate against them for having a low post count? I think the PC is beginning to feel just a leeetle bit threatened....

LONG LIVE THE DAG!

We don't discriminate, we just feel that they haven't proven themselves to be true regulars yet. I suppose if the DAG wants to be the group for all noobs and riff-raff that wander by, then go ahead.

At 5/11/03 03:43 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: We don't discriminate, we just feel that they haven't proven themselves to be true regulars yet. I suppose if the DAG wants to be the group for all noobs and riff-raff that wander by, then go ahead.

Yet another example of the elitism embedded in the PC psyche.

GnarlyCar is clearly a forum regular, just not a Newgrounds regular. He has (from what Ive read), excellent debating skills and sound reasoning. However, were he to apply to the PC, or to even post on the lounge thread for that matter, be attacked with cries of "N00b!" and the like, and be told that he needs 200 posts or some such elitist nosense. However, in the DAG, he is immediately embraced for his abilities, which are obvious in his few posts.

Also, one of the main purposes of the DAG was to help increase N00b involvement, in order to create a larger opinion base for the clarification of debate. How many times have we tread over the same old ground in this forum? Even Ted_Easton complained of needing "new blood". The DAG is dedicated to the education, and not discrimination, for N00bs, and all other non-politicos. If the PC embraced these ideas, instead of only claiming to, there would be no need for a DAG.

The DAG can be the group of people who are just a hair below the PC standards.
And everyone else! =P
FUNK was close to being one of the hated PC.

At 5/11/03 03:57 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
Yet another example of the elitism embedded in the PC psyche.

GnarlyCar is clearly a forum regular, just not a Newgrounds regular. He has (from what Ive read), excellent debating skills and sound reasoning. However, were he to apply to the PC, or to even post on the lounge thread for that matter, be attacked with cries of "N00b!" and the like, and be told that he needs 200 posts or some such elitist nosense. However, in the DAG, he is immediately embraced for his abilities, which are obvious in his few posts.

Also, one of the main purposes of the DAG was to help increase N00b involvement, in order to create a larger opinion base for the clarification of debate. How many times have we tread over the same old ground in this forum? Even Ted_Easton complained of needing "new blood". The DAG is dedicated to the education, and not discrimination, for N00bs, and all other non-politicos. If the PC embraced these ideas, instead of only claiming to, there would be no need for a DAG.

The concept of the DAG is a good one, at heart. The whole point of the Politics discussions is to explore beliefs/topics in all aspects of such an abstract concept, is it not? We do need a D.A. from time to time, if nothing else, to reaffirm our own beliefs, so we don't all just end up sitting around saying something is stupid "just because."

The DAG brings about encouragement to use facts in the smiting of those who oppose our viewpoints, and in doing so, educates us to the truths of society, making us all better people, at least in the realm of political discussion. It destroys the concept of the yes-man.

However-
There is ultimately too much that's wrong with the DAG to be an effective tool in the betterment of the Politics Forum. People would support opinions that they don't support, normally, in some cases, and "arguing for the sake of arguing" is NOT constructive, and pissing people off simply to bring attention to a topic is rather asinine.

The basis behind it, according to it's proposed leader (FUNKbrs, right?), is to supply an opposition to an argument. The true purpose of a devil's advocate is not just to take an opposite stand, but merely to ask questions judging the viability of said opinion/topic/etc.

Now, that being said, any club or crew shows signs of so-called "elitism". What's the purpose of a club? It's to separate yourselves from everybody else, with a label. Siply doing that puts you "above" anyone else who isn't the member of a club. You do it for comradery, and to make your entity (ie: DAG) into something more powerful. Somehow, though, I doubt the "ever enveloping arms" of the DAG would be so willing as to accept Neo-Nazis and hatemongers into the ranks. What you're saying is that any "n00b" (Christ, I hate that word) can just waltz in and join on the basis of a couple of posts? Suppose somebody debated on something, and made an intelligent argument. Then, on that one post, you accept him/her into the group of kids you have going. Then, suppose the rest of his/her posts talk about hating everyone from gay people to black people. You'd find yourself wishing you weren't so eager to swell your ranks with crap, now, would you?

No doubt, the 200 post prerequisite comes off as uppity. But we don't care. We want someone who cares enough about Politics to apply, not someone who just occaisionally logs on and starts a "Bush suxx0rs/r0xx0rs" thread. We aren't elitist in the aspect you make it appear. We just turn down people who we have no idea of their post ability, and their dedication. Where I come from, that isn't elitist. That's safe.

Just curious, FUNKbrs, how much of all this anti-PC "fighting" of yours stems from not being admitted into the Crew? How much of it is jealousy? A need to be admitted/accepted? You're just stomping around, with cute little Shih on a leash, saying "LONG LIVE TEH DAG," when you yourself once applied to the PC.

If that's how you do things in life, by suddenly disapproving of things that don't accept you because of a standard, and by pointing fingers, then that's your perogative. It's nice that you have your own little thing going here. I just think it's a little juvenile, is all.

The PC is dedicated to the ideals of education and self-enlightenment. You, once again, point a finger, claiming we are not. Even IF we're the big meanies because we don't want idiots running around tarnishing the PC name with hatemongery and stupidity (indeed, would you want people to think that, on the basis of one member's posts, that most members of the DAG were a big group of juvenile morons?), that still makes us big meanies who have a dedication to the excellence of political debate, and the education and self-enlightenment that stems from it.

We encourage "n00bs" to post more. That's what the 200 post limit is for. Besides, even if that doesn't, as you claim, then don't you think it's a little cocky to assume that by being accepted by your group is the only way these people willl post more?

I'm glad you've decided to assume a "leadership" role in the Forum. It's nice that you can "lead" those easily manipulated into believing they have a false sense of superiority and that they're fighting a "noble" cause of "destroying the monopoly." The concept that we alone hold dominion over the politics forum shows (or insinuates, at the very least) on your part that the PC is superior to the DAG. What a twisted moment of paradoxical irony, that you, with your PC-made sig pic, start a group to fight us on the basis that we're better, even though you claim to be. I like the thought of such power, certainly, but the PC doesn't have a "monopoly." If we did, do you think we'd allow you to post some of the nonsense that you've posted here?

Can we help it if we have a dedication to excellence? I suppose so, but then the name wouldn't mean anything. There's a lot of crap to sift through out in the forums, and don't you at least give pause when you see that yin-yang, FUNK? Doesn't it strike you as something that needs to be read? Honestly, how many of the PC's posts have been stupid?

I'm done ranting in the defense of the PC. I think you get the point. I don't think you're an idiot, FUNK. I just happen to think you don't quite understand our position.

Word.

1 Ted actually thought up the DAG. I just put the finishing touches on it and expanded into its own group.

2 The DAG concept was formed before my rejection by the PC. The idea was a "PC-lite" for n00bs to increase n00b involvement. Remember, I was relatively a n00b when the idea came up (I probably still am, come to think of it)

3 Most of my anti-PC statements have been in comedic retaliation to those equally comedic anti-DAG statements, mainly from el_foka, TheShrike, and PreacherJ. Chill out guys, its all in fun.

4 I've lately noticed that the DAG and PC are somewhat opposite and therefore complimentary in debating style. While PC members generally push for their own views, DAG members (myself and Shih) only try to refine points and make concessions. The PC is the anvil, and the DAG is the hammer.

5 I dont have any real animosity against the PC. I think only about 25% of you guys hate me now. the DAG is NOT an anti-PC group. The whole "ALL HAIL THE DAG" thing stems from a band concept I have been working on with Alan Ferguson for the past 3 years. The original phrase was "ALL HAIL THE DOMINION!", "The DOMINION" being the band name.

PS PreacherJ, if the DAG cared about what side of an argument members took, whether you started it or not, could we really call ourselves the "Devil's Advocate Group" ?