Make pot legal

[jeremiah-bullfrog]

yeah I know its like the tenth billion time but im bored and their are no new topics coming around I know lets start a sewing circle

[JudgeDredd]

yeah, well u sit back and enjoy a good joint, while the rest of us do all the thinking and research and fundraising and marching and all the necessary advocating on your behalf.

Just don't make a fool of yaself in the meantime, otherwise all our effort will be zero.

get my drift...?

[plagueofthings]

I'm out of pot, and I'm cranky.

If they legalized pot, there wouldn't be any potheads getting free room and board courtesy of the American taxpayer.

If they taxed legal pot, there would be more tax revenue for the government, so the government would be free to either spend it on various programs, or give us a tax break.

And most importantly, if they legalized pot, I wouldn't have a headache because I wouldn't be out. This sucks.

[dELtaluca]

At 2/10/07 01:48 AM, plagueofthings wrote: If they taxed legal pot

it would be more expensive -> suck

[JudgeDredd]

At 2/10/07 01:48 AM, plagueofthings wrote: I'm out of pot, and I'm cranky.

Work thru that Crankiness, and you'll attain new levels of monastic nirvana.. Interminable Pitiful Despondency.

Or join the rest of us with a few cans of Inquenchable Thirst and a bottle of Liquid Nausea in our quest for Total Unconsciousness and Deathly Hangover.

[plagueofthings]

At 2/10/07 03:32 AM, dELtaluca wrote:
it would be more expensive -> suck

Let me explain a few things about economics. The cost of growing pot is very low. It is higher in the US because it's illegal, but if it were legal, that cost would plummet. It's a weed. It grows like one. The reason it's so expensive is because of supply and demand. The supply is way more limited than it would be if it were legal. If it were legal, it would not be necessary for merchants to charge so much. Shipping would be more efficient and less expensive, and the savings would be passed on to the consumer. So even with taxes, the price would still be lower for the consumer.

[xineph]

I don't feel as though I need to create a new reality in order to achieve happiness.

[plagueofthings]

At 2/10/07 08:32 AM, xineph wrote: I don't feel as though I need to create a new reality in order to achieve happiness.

New reality? Where do they come up with this stuff?

Psychoactives and Me: A Rant

First of all, I do have some standards when it comes to chemically altering my state. It must not be manufactured, and it must not be addictive. That leaves pot and some psychedelics. I have a long history of anger and depression, and manufactured antidepressants don't work on me for some reason. With correct dosage, pot mellows me out and improves my mood. I also have a history of insomnia, and with a higher dose, it fixes that problem. As for tripping, it's a trip through my head. My brain reacts to the chemicals by producing images and emotions that are unique to me. By analyzing the experience, it teaches me something about myself. Even a bad trip teaches me important things about myself.

It's unfortunate that so many people use these chemicals just to get fucked-up and have fun, because they take nothing away from the experience. Do NOT take anything I say as encouragement to take drugs. You probably couldn't handle them, anyway.

[packow]

At 2/10/07 08:32 AM, xineph wrote: I don't feel as though I need to create a new reality in order to achieve happiness.

Pot doesn't make a new reality, it enhances your existing one.

[packow]

Either way, the simple face is that pot will never be legal in the United States.

But there might be a chance of decriminalization.

[reviewer-general]

At 2/10/07 08:32 AM, xineph wrote: I don't feel as though I need to create a new reality in order to achieve happiness.

Just don't sleep for a couple days. My friend knows a guy that did that and he thought an old lady was eating his couch.

[xineph]

At 2/10/07 03:06 PM, packow wrote:

At 2/10/07 08:32 AM, xineph wrote: I don't feel as though I need to create a new reality in order to achieve happiness.

Pot doesn't make a new reality, it enhances your existing one.

Plague, I don't quite empathize, but I do see your point.
However, Packow, you're just wrong. This is the mistake that so many people make.

If you're best friend suddenly grows an extra head, or the sky starts rippling and changing colors, that's not a "change" or an "enhancement" to reality. It's not playing off something that already exists and giving you a new perspective, it's quite simply making stuff up. When an elephant is suddenly sitting in your room, it's not like your views are more "artistic" or even "alternative". You're just hallucinating, plain and simple. How many people do you think try to induce their own Paranoid Schizophrenia?

[Ravariel]

Shameless plug.

[JudgeDredd]

At 2/10/07 04:18 PM, xineph wrote: You're just hallucinating, plain and simple.

Typically speaking, you don't hallucinate on weed unless it's been laced. It only gets laced because the dealer and product are unregulated. At most the strongest varieties might work as a mild hallucinogen for new users.

But this mild hallucination is pscyedelic, not psychotic. It's not much different to lucid dreaming which we do every night.

Delirium tremens caused by alcohol withdrawals can cause psychosis. Alcohol isn't made illegal because of the psychotic behaviour of many heavy drinkers.

[Draconias]

So, tell me, why exactly should marijuana be legalized, rather than decriminalized or ignored for other alternatives in every possible legal use? Simply because a large number of people are mentally addicted to a worthless substance?

I propose a much better solution than the legalization of marijuana that would avoid all of that annoying legislation and other issues. If everyone stopped using marijuana, the rate of arrests for it would disappear, no criminals would be funded by it, no people would suffer from laced joints, no lives would be ruined by it, and no problem would exist.

No money would be wasted on it, no one would have to worry, and there would be far fewer drugees. Now, since you're all supposedly "not addiced," why don't you just stop? It would solve everything.

[3tard]

Shouldn't alcohol be made illegal if marijuana is illegal? Doesn't alcohol have worse short and long term effects?

[killergold2]

I'de have to say, this is got to be the stupidest things to keep illigal, if the government legalized it they could make billions of dollars off of it, and really, why do they care about our well being? The weed would give them enough money for healthcare.

[SolInvictus]

At 2/10/07 04:18 PM, xineph wrote: If you're best friend suddenly grows an extra head, or the sky starts rippling and changing colors, that's not a "change" or an "enhancement" to reality.

if only marijuana did that.

[jeremiah-bullfrog]

and Mrs whinehurst brough in some lovely quilt patterns for today's circle now should we use red or boue thread?

[Alphabit]

If you want pot, just move to another state were it is legal (if you live in the US)... Or just go to Holland and smoke away your life.

[Ravariel]

At 2/10/07 10:10 PM, Draconias wrote: So, tell me, why exactly should marijuana be legalized, rather than decriminalized or ignored for other alternatives in every possible legal use? Simply because a large number of people are mentally addicted to a worthless substance?

Because it would create an entire new industry with thousands of jobs, lessen the load on our prisons like whoa, create an immense revenue source for our city, state and federal govenrment, and would actually make sense when looked at logically.

Do you really need more reasons?

I propose a much better solution than the legalization of marijuana that would avoid all of that annoying legislation and other issues. If everyone stopped using marijuana, the rate of arrests for it would disappear, no criminals would be funded by it, no people would suffer from laced joints, no lives would be ruined by it, and no problem would exist.

Lol... and how do you propose to make that pipe-dream happen?

No money would be wasted on it, no one would have to worry, and there would be far fewer drugees. Now, since you're all supposedly "not addiced," why don't you just stop? It would solve everything.

Yep. SO would people "just stopping" shooting each other would solve all murder. It's not going to happen so why even bother bringing up the argument?

[xineph]

At 2/11/07 07:14 AM, LolOutLoud wrote: If you want pot, just move to another state were it is legal (if you live in the US)... Or just go to Holland and smoke away your life.

Can you name for me one state where pot is legal?

[packow]

At 2/10/07 04:18 PM, xineph wrote:

At 2/10/07 03:06 PM, packow wrote:

At 2/10/07 08:32 AM, xineph wrote: I don't feel as though I need to create a new reality in order to achieve happiness.

Pot doesn't make a new reality, it enhances your existing one.

Plague, I don't quite empathize, but I do see your point.
However, Packow, you're just wrong. This is the mistake that so many people make.

If you're best friend suddenly grows an extra head, or the sky starts rippling and changing colors, that's not a "change" or an "enhancement" to reality. It's not playing off something that already exists and giving you a new perspective, it's quite simply making stuff up.

See, people who say stuff like that about pot have never tried it. Pot has some aspects of a strong hallucinogen (like LSD or Peyote) but it's nowhere near that strong. Most pot out there will never make you hallucinate. Some VERY strong stuff might make you have some very mild hallucinations. This doesn't mean that you'll suddenly see, as Foamy says, "Elvis in your referigerator." You might think "wow, it sure is pretty how those beams of light cut through the tree branches" or "hmm, that pile of sticks looks a bit like a big hole in the ground." But it's nothing extreme.

When an elephant is suddenly sitting in your room, it's not like your views are more "artistic" or even "alternative". You're just hallucinating, plain and simple. How many people do you think try to induce their own Paranoid Schizophrenia?

You're thinking of a real hallucinogen

[packow]

At 2/10/07 10:10 PM, Draconias wrote:

No money would be wasted on it, no one would have to worry, and there would be far fewer drugees. Now, since you're all supposedly "not addiced," why don't you just stop? It would solve everything.

Because it's fun, dumbass.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

At 2/10/07 11:07 PM, 3tard wrote: Shouldn't alcohol be made illegal if marijuana is illegal? Doesn't alcohol have worse short and long term effects?

Yes, but pot can actually help people so there's obviously no way the government can legalize it...

[CourtesyFlush]

At 2/10/07 12:59 AM, jeremiah-bullfrog wrote: yeah I know its like the tenth billion time but im bored and their are no new topics coming around I know lets start a sewing circle

wont happen, alcohol is barely legal.
besides, no one cares wheter its legal or not. many still do this today.

[sovietspy47]

Imagine how much more money McDonalds and snack companies will make.

[xineph]

At 2/10/07 10:10 PM, Draconias wrote: I propose a much better solution than the legalization of marijuana that would avoid all of that annoying legislation and other issues. If everyone stopped using marijuana, the rate of arrests for it would disappear, no criminals would be funded by it, no people would suffer from laced joints, no lives would be ruined by it, and no problem would exist.

This is just stupid. "I have a brilliant idea! Everyone should just stop using marijuana! That solves everything!" How many times do you think the govt. has told them to do this? You can apply aforementioned argument to any illegal activity in existence.

No money would be wasted on it, no one would have to worry, and there would be far fewer drugees. Now, since you're all supposedly "not addiced," why don't you just stop? It would solve everything.

Again, poor reasoning. Just because you're not addicted to something doesn't mean you should stop. You can enjoy it without being addicted.

I agree with your basic premise, Drac, but your reasoning is flawed.

[packow]

At 2/11/07 10:46 PM, xineph wrote:

I agree with your basic premise, Drac, but your reasoning is flawed.

Don't try to reason with him. He'll defend his utopian ideals to the death.

[jeremiah-bullfrog]

At 2/11/07 10:58 AM, xineph wrote: Can you name for me one state where pot is legal?

it is legal to have up to an ounce in possesion within the city limits of colorado however state patrol pigs can still arrest you and it is illegal to smoke it now back to sewing whats that mrs. whinehurst you have a 20 bag in your sewing kit? naughty naughty