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At 4/26/03 12:51 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:
People who defend drugs are morons because anyone with knowledge knows that politicians aren't just going to bend because a few red-around-the-eyes teenagers and underachieving college graduates want to smoke in the car or shoot up on heroin.

wrong, people like you are morons. firstly you assume pro-drug means "smokes drugs" and that is flat out wrong. did you notice how many people in this very thread who defended drugs said they were bad for you? also you obviously don't know that i would never do drugs myself(yes that's right, you are an idiot). it's a matter of laws stupid not who wants to do drugs

"Because I like them" is not a good enough reason to legalize drugs.

At 4/26/03 01:02 AM, FlattusMaximus wrote: "Because I like them" is not a good enough reason to legalize drugs.

who the fuck said that? no one? that's right

At 4/26/03 01:04 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 4/26/03 01:02 AM, FlattusMaximus wrote: "Because I like them" is not a good enough reason to legalize drugs.

who the fuck said that? no one? that's right

When trying to act intelligent, It helps if one can grasp basic principals of grammar.

At 4/26/03 01:10 AM, FlattusMaximus wrote:
When trying to act intelligent, It helps if one can grasp basic principals of grammar.

it also helps if it doesn't take you forever to make a 1 sentence reply

At 4/26/03 01:11 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 4/26/03 01:10 AM, FlattusMaximus wrote:
When trying to act intelligent, It helps if one can grasp basic principals of grammar.

it also helps if it doesn't take you forever to make a 1 sentence reply

Some of us have a life besides trolling the BBS.

At 4/26/03 01:18 AM, FlattusMaximus wrote:
Some of us have a life besides trolling the BBS.

for fuck's sake, what the fuck ar you going to do in 6 minutes? do you not think we can read that bar above your posts? i mean come on unless we have light speed travel, but even then there isn't shit you're going to be able to do in 6 minutes. except check the BBS for replies

GAHHH-- by CHECKS AND BALANCES it is meant that there is a system of regulateing something--NOT CHECKING INDIVIDUALS PERSON TO PERSON=--IE=Must be 18 or older to drink beer and 21 or older to drink hard booze violations of which results in penalties enforced by the law.--->apperently there are inviduals who's education is woefully lacking and must have EVERYTHING SPELLED OUT FOR THEM.
and how do you know or are even gonna PREVENT someone from tokeing up before they (for example) perform surgery? Do you really want someone with impaired perceptions and "overly cautious" performing surgery? The "makes you cautious so its safe" argument is as Flawed as it is OLD.

Personally I say=
Legalize it..regulate it...tax it...and penalize if necessary---->I feel that the people who are doing drugs WILL eventually self destruct if they choose to continually use them..my only concerns stem from them doing harm to others.

At 4/26/03 01:23 AM, ichbincow wrote: and how do you know or are even gonna PREVENT someone from tokeing up before they (for example) perform surgery? Do you really want someone with impaired perceptions and "overly cautious" performing surgery? The "makes you cautious so its safe" argument is as Flawed as it is OLD.

and doctors would know that. if not then how come we haven't heard of them performing surgury drunk? for that matter we may as well re-enact prohibition, i don't want the doctors drunk doing surgery either. but prohibition caused the same problems that outlawing these drugs does:

-a violent black market
-everyone who wants to do it finds a way
-many individuals arrested nedlessly for a stupid thing

You are an idiot, do you know that?

At 4/26/03 01:44 AM, FlattusMaximus wrote: You are an idiot, do you know that?

actually it's the idiots who say what you just did, because they can't argue very well so they just use a dumb insult like that to make themselves look smart despite the fact that it doesn't work

At 4/26/03 01:59 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 4/26/03 01:44 AM, FlattusMaximus wrote: You are an idiot, do you know that?

actually it's the idiots who say what you just did, because they can't argue very well so they just use a dumb insult like that to make themselves look smart despite the fact that it doesn't work

I am going to stop posting on this thread, as it's utter stupidity is really overflowing.

the only true stupidity left is coming from you, you make single remarks without even so much as trying to back them up and then call others stupid.

With posts like these last few, who needs drugs?

At 4/26/03 03:08 AM, OSC wrote: With posts like these last few, who needs drugs?

they just make it all the better don't they ;)

At 4/26/03 01:38 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

and doctors would know that. if not then how come we haven't heard of them performing surgury drunk? for that matter we may as well re-enact prohibition, i don't want the doctors drunk doing surgery either. but prohibition caused the same problems that outlawing these drugs does:

You dont here of doctor perforing drunk for two reasons, you cant easily tell when someone is drunk and two, there isnt alchohol in hospitals like there is opiates.

-a violent black market
-everyone who wants to do it finds a way
-many individuals arrested nedlessly for a stupid thing

I'm for legalizing marijuana but legalizing other drugs is just stupid. At some point in time people will try; coain, herion, PCP, extacy, and with those drugs you get hooked and you cant get off it. People do anything to get another hit and your money dwindles fast. Compareing those drugs to alcohol is just stupid, Obviously you dont know how dangerous and addictive these drugs are or else you wouldnt want to legalize them.

everyone who wants to do those drugs are already finding ways. i don't know one person who doesn't do them that wants to, but i know some who actually do them. so keeping them illegal is just getting innocent people killed, not keeping anyone off drugs. also there's no way you're going to tell me you don't know when someone is drunk

At 4/26/03 04:46 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: everyone who wants to do those drugs are already finding ways. i don't know one person who doesn't do them that wants to, but i know some who actually do them. so keeping them illegal is just getting innocent people killed, not keeping anyone off drugs. also there's no way you're going to tell me you don't know when someone is drunk

If these drugs were legal than more people would try them, its not about stopping people from continueing doing them its about preventing people from doing them, you have NO idea how addictive these drugs are so you probably should quit while your behind.

At 4/26/03 04:50 AM, jimsween wrote:
If these drugs were legal than more people would try them, its not about stopping people from continueing doing them its about preventing people from doing them, you have NO idea how addictive these drugs are so you probably should quit while your behind.

to try them you have to want to do them in the first place, so you missed my point entirely. besides it's their own damn fault if they get addicted and can't quit. they make it crystal clear in grade school how addicting and damaging drugs are, and if they don't want to listen that's tough shit. in fact they don't listen and the law doesn't stop them from trying. so there's no reason innocent people should have to die

At 4/26/03 04:55 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: to try them you have to want to do them in the first place, so you missed my point entirely. besides it's their own damn fault if they get addicted and can't quit. they make it crystal clear in grade school how addicting and damaging drugs are, and if they don't want to listen that's tough shit. in fact they don't listen and the law doesn't stop them from trying. so there's no reason innocent people should have to die

People try ciggarettes even though they know it could kill you, hell people try poison fish jus to see if they'll live. The fact is people are stupid, and to say that they should die because their stupid is moroninc because you yourself would try drugs too if they were legal. Innocent people would continue to die not only from the drugs but still from the cartels, You dont think that they wouldnt crush any company trying to start making drugs. And these cartels dont need to pay thier workers as much so they could have alot cheaper prices. And your prohabition argument is flawed because alcohol was taken away from the people, unlike the drugs we have now. The people couldnt cope with losing alcohol so they had to find new ways to get it. And I might point out that the amount of non mobsters killed because of prohabition is very few. Much because nobody had invented the drive by shooting.

At 4/26/03 05:05 AM, jimsween wrote:
People try ciggarettes even though they know it could kill you, hell people try poison fish jus to see if they'll live. The fact is people are stupid, and to say that they should die because their stupid is moroninc because you yourself would try drugs too if they were legal. Innocent people would continue to die not only from the drugs but still from the cartels, You dont think that they wouldnt crush any company trying to start making drugs. And these cartels dont need to pay thier workers as much so they could have alot cheaper prices. And your prohabition argument is flawed because alcohol was taken away from the people, unlike the drugs we have now. The people couldnt cope with losing alcohol so they had to find new ways to get it. And I might point out that the amount of non mobsters killed because of prohabition is very few. Much because nobody had invented the drive by shooting.

umm i'm old enough to smoke, but i don't. i don't plan on drinking either. so no you are flat out wrong, i would not try them if they were legal, what kind of bullshit is that? hey know what else is legal? eating batteries, so far i haven't tried it. geuss what? it's legal to suck the exaust out of your car's tail pipe, i haven't tried that either. stop being so asisnine about this. also by your logic the entire black market should be trying to crush the entire legal market. because geuss what? they don't just sell drugs there(gasp) they also sell legal product, they're just stolen so they can sell them real cheap. so yeah they must be trying to crush milton bradley, i mean they want to make money of their toy sales eh? also there are plenty of innocent bystanders killed by cartels(you know the ones who should be trying to crush our legal corporations?[like all of them])?

At 4/26/03 05:20 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

umm i'm old enough to smoke, but i don't. i don't plan on drinking either. so no you are flat out wrong, i would not try them if they were legal, what kind of bullshit is that? hey know what else is legal? eating batteries, so far i haven't tried it. geuss what? it's legal to suck the exaust out of your car's tail pipe, i haven't tried that either. stop being so asisnine about this.

Not one of those things gives you the pleasure that drugs do, and I honestly dont belive you about what you said, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're unlike the rest of this world and never plan on drinking or smoking. You underestimate the power of peer pressure, once your out of school youre chances of smoking go down 90%. And smoking is illegal for teens, imagine if it was legal and gave you 100x the pleasure. That is what it would be like with drugs.

also by your logic the entire black market should be trying to crush the entire legal market. because geuss what? they don't just sell drugs there(gasp) they also sell legal product, they're just stolen so they can sell them real cheap. so yeah they must be trying to crush milton bradley, i mean they want to make money of their toy sales eh? also there are plenty of innocent bystanders killed by cartels(you know the ones who should be trying to crush our legal corporations?[like all of them])?

You make it seem as if the black market is a place, the black market symbolises every pawn shop that hasnt updated thier liscense and every drug dealers. What I am talking about is the columbian cartel, the cuban cartel, the russian japanese and italian mafia, they have a long history of crushing the compitition and they have a limitless supply of money and manpower to do so. The reason they dont crush the compitition for things like toys is because they dont make the toys themselves, all they would be doing it eliminating any toy market. But yes they would sabatoge toy businesses too if they were being payed by the evil toys R us company they would probably crush Wal Mart. Havent you heard of corporate sabatoge.

At 4/26/03 05:39 AM, jimsween wrote:
Not one of those things gives you the pleasure that drugs do, and I honestly dont belive you about what you said, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're unlike the rest of this world and never plan on drinking or smoking. You underestimate the power of peer pressure, once your out of school youre chances of smoking go down 90%. And smoking is illegal for teens, imagine if it was legal and gave you 100x the pleasure. That is what it would be like with drugs.

i'm pretty sure you'd get REALLY high if you sucked on exhaust fumes for a minute. and yes there are plenty of people who just say "no thanks". in fact studies show it's over half(around 40% say yes)

You make it seem as if the black market is a place, the black market symbolises every pawn shop that hasnt updated thier liscense and every drug dealers. What I am talking about is the columbian cartel, the cuban cartel, the russian japanese and italian mafia, they have a long history of crushing the compitition and they have a limitless supply of money and manpower to do so. The reason they dont crush the compitition for things like toys is because they dont make the toys themselves, all they would be doing it eliminating any toy market. But yes they would sabatoge toy businesses too if they were being payed by the evil toys R us company they would probably crush Wal Mart. Havent you heard of corporate sabatoge.

those organizations you are talking about have enough money to run it as a legal buisness should it get to be legal. and with it getting the governments to fuck off why wouldn't they? corporate sabotage happens in the legal market not just the illegal ones so that's irrellevant

At 4/26/03 05:47 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

i'm pretty sure you'd get REALLY high if you sucked on exhaust fumes for a minute. and yes there are plenty of people who just say "no thanks". in fact studies show it's over half(around 40% say yes)

40% of our population, dead.

those organizations you are talking about have enough money to run it as a legal buisness should it get to be legal. and with it getting the governments to fuck off why wouldn't they? corporate sabotage happens in the legal market not just the illegal ones so that's irrellevant

No it's not, since these cartels and mafia's have a special interest in drugs (they make them) they would sabotage any new business that tries to sell drugs.

At 4/26/03 05:47 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

i'm pretty sure you'd get REALLY high if you sucked on exhaust fumes for a minute. and yes there are plenty of people who just say "no thanks". in fact studies show it's over half(around 40% say yes)

And where did you get this? 60% of people say no to cigarretes and alcohol, thats bullshit.

At 4/26/03 05:55 AM, jimsween wrote:
No it's not, since these cartels and mafia's have a special interest in drugs (they make them) they would sabotage any new business that tries to sell drugs.

Yes it is, ever hear of microsoft? and the statistics are direct surveys taken. 40% dead? jackass, you said it was close to 100 and now you give me that instead. you just can't admit you're wrong

At 4/26/03 06:14 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 4/26/03 05:55 AM, jimsween wrote:
No it's not, since these cartels and mafia's have a special interest in drugs (they make them) they would sabotage any new business that tries to sell drugs.

Yes it is, ever hear of microsoft?

I didnt say corporate sabotage doesnt happen I said that illegal sabotage is relevent, but since you didnt read my post that wouldnt really matter to you would it.

and the statistics are direct surveys taken. 40% dead? jackass, you said it was close to 100 and now you give me that instead. you just can't admit you're wrong

That survey is bullshit, 60 percent of people dont ever smoke or drink? That has to be the biggest lie ever.

At 4/26/03 06:20 AM, jimsween wrote: I didnt say corporate sabotage doesnt happen I said that illegal sabotage is relevent, but since you didnt read my post that wouldnt really matter to you would it.

what microsoft did WAS illegal, they only got away through bribery

That survey is bullshit, 60 percent of people dont ever smoke or drink? That has to be the biggest lie ever.

well when many other surveys agree with it very closely it's not hard to believe. plus i know plenty who haven't ever done it. just because your apparently an addict doesn't mean everyone is

At 4/26/03 05:55 AM, jimsween wrote:
40% of our population, dead.

Please. Not everyone who tries something does it again. Not everyone who tries cocaine or heroin die. Not even everyone who's done cocaine or heroin for a long time has died.

%40 trying it != %40 dead

I agree that it should be legal to use it. I dont know about selling it though. People hooked on cocaine need care, not jail. A lot of people continue doing drugs in jail too anyway.

any of you guys ever huff nitrous? Nitrous is perfectly legal in most states of the US, because of its many industrial uses. Nitrous is the same gas professional dentists use, but can be bought in 6 gram "whipits" for 50 cents a piece. each "whipit" is enough to get you high for approximately 15 minutes, which means for $4, you can stay high as hell for 2 hours straight. Now, enough weed for a "blunt" of marijuana will also get you high for 2 hours, and costs $5. the point Im trying to make is this. Nitrous is perfectly legal, and cheaper and more powerful than marijuana, but you never hear about nitrous addicts, because nitrous is not dangerous or harmful. If weed were legal, it would be about the same as nitrous, only without the risk of lung freeze and asphyxiation. Now, nitrous is about as powerful as LSD, although it works for much shorter periods of time. My question is this:

If nitrous is legal, why is weed illegal? Addictive drugs should not be legalized, but weed is non-addictive (I should know, I went from smoking 2 joints a day over the course of 7 years to none cold turkey for the past 3 months) lets remember this thread is about the legalization of weed in canada, and not opiates or other "hardcore" drugs.