alright, i'm officially pissed

[Anarchy-Balsac]

the latest anit-drug commercial basically has the pro-drug guy saying "make it legal, the torture, terrorism, etc. will go away" then the anti-drug guy say "oh wait so we have cheaper better drugs now, sound better?" what the fuck? so availability of cheap drugs is worse than having terrorism funded, worse than having cartels kill people who get in their way because they have nothing to lose anyway? are these anti-drug people stubborn as fuck or what?

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/25/03 01:30 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: the latest anit-drug commercial basically has the pro-drug guy saying "make it legal, the torture, terrorism, etc. will go away" then the anti-drug guy say "oh wait so we have cheaper better drugs now, sound better?" what the fuck? so availability of cheap drugs is worse than having terrorism funded, worse than having cartels kill people who get in their way because they have nothing to lose anyway? are these anti-drug people stubborn as fuck or what?

I take it you're pro-drug then? Drugs fucks up your life. I have seen people who can think no further than how they wil pay for their next hit. Its not a pretty sight, honestly. If drugs were legal people would try them and get hooked. It is harder to get off than anything else, things like heroin and coke. The increased amount of drug users would make more petty crime and break-ins to pay for them.

[FUNKbrs]

At 4/25/03 07:19 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: I take it you're pro-drug then? Drugs fucks up your life. I have seen people who can think no further than how they wil pay for their next hit. Its not a pretty sight, honestly. If drugs were legal people would try them and get hooked. It is harder to get off than anything else, things like heroin and coke. The increased amount of drug users would make more petty crime and break-ins to pay for them.

heres my contention with this theory

People who are hooked on drugs REALLY like being high. Most of them (I still agree with you on the point of heroine and coke) see doing drugs as a good thing. If drugs were legal, the prices would drop, reducing the amount of crime neccesary to support a habit, possibly to the point of making it affordable for people who work regular jobs, instead of only to criminals. the junkies would still live in squalor, but they would be too high to care. If they got off of the drugs, their legitimate jobs would support them in a better lifestyle. Ive said that to say this:

Live in shit, and be too stoned to care, or live comfortably sober? What right does the government have to make this choice for people?

[Nirvana13666]

At 4/25/03 07:19 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/25/03 01:30 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: the latest anit-drug commercial basically has the pro-drug guy saying "make it legal, the torture, terrorism, etc. will go away" then the anti-drug guy say "oh wait so we have cheaper better drugs now, sound better?" what the fuck? so availability of cheap drugs is worse than having terrorism funded, worse than having cartels kill people who get in their way because they have nothing to lose anyway? are these anti-drug people stubborn as fuck or what?

I take it you're pro-drug then? Drugs fucks up your life. I have seen people who can think no further than how they wil pay for their next hit. Its not a pretty sight, honestly. If drugs were legal people would try them and get hooked. It is harder to get off than anything else, things like heroin and coke. The increased amount of drug users would make more petty crime and break-ins to pay for them.

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People should be able to decide what they want to do with their life. I agree drugs can fuck up someone's life but what about the drug users that have a job and lead successful lives. Do you really think heroin or coke would be legalized? Those are on the high addictive list and can basically kill you on a first time use if your body can’t handle it. Who has ever died of an overdose of pot? How many people kill for marijuana? I think those commercials focus more on pot because that is the drug people of all likes seem to do the most.

[Nirvana13666]

At 4/25/03 01:30 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: the latest anit-drug commercial basically has the pro-drug guy saying "make it legal, the torture, terrorism, etc. will go away" then the anti-drug guy say "oh wait so we have cheaper better drugs now, sound better?" what the fuck? so availability of cheap drugs is worse than having terrorism funded, worse than having cartels kill people who get in their way because they have nothing to lose anyway? are these anti-drug people stubborn as fuck or what?

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I hate those commercials because they say you’re a killer/terrorist if you buy/use drugs. Well what if I have my own pot plant and smoke from that. What if I know all the money I give to my dealer really never reaches some terrorist dude because I know he makes it all on his own with American made products?

[NEMESiSZ]

What if you shoot your friend with his parents' gun by accident because the weed impaired your judgement?

You'd feel pretty stupid then, wouldn't you?

[karasz]

At 4/25/03 11:07 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: What if you shoot your friend with his parents' gun by accident because the weed impaired your judgement?

what if u drive ur car into a tree and kill the other 3 people in car with you cuz ur drunk???

in both instances they suck... but just remember ALL drugs are bad... regardless of their legality...

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/25/03 10:34 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: heres my contention with this theory

People who are hooked on drugs REALLY like being high. Most of them (I still agree with you on the point of heroine and coke) see doing drugs as a good thing. If drugs were legal, the prices would drop, reducing the amount of crime neccesary to support a habit, possibly to the point of making it affordable for people who work regular jobs, instead of only to criminals. the junkies would still live in squalor, but they would be too high to care. If they got off of the drugs, their legitimate jobs would support them in a better lifestyle. Ive said that to say this:

Live in shit, and be too stoned to care, or live comfortably sober? What right does the government have to make this choice for people?

You make some valid points there, but I gotta disagree with you. True, when a junkie has just taken his hit he feels on top of the world. (This could be applied to coke and crack etc. too) However, when you come down you get pain all over your body, you get headaches and sometimes whole-body spasms. Ask virtually any junkie in the world and they will tell you they hate the drug.

[TheEvilOne]

Jeez... anti-drug commercials can be so irritating.

Yes, there are some drugs that can really fuck you up. Yes, people get addicted to them, and yes, people die from them. These drugs are a problem, but outlawing them is not the answer. Addicts

[TheEvilOne]

Crap, I accidentally hit enter before I was finished.

But as I was saying, addicts need help, not to be thrown in jail. At the very least, these drugs need to be decriminalized.

[ichbincow]

At 4/25/03 01:47 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/25/03 10:34 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: heres my contention with this theory

People who are hooked on drugs REALLY like being high. Most of them (I still agree with you on the point of heroine and coke) see doing drugs as a good thing. If drugs were legal, the prices would drop, reducing the amount of crime neccesary to support a habit, possibly to the point of making it affordable for people who work regular jobs, instead of only to criminals. the junkies would still live in squalor, but they would be too high to care. If they got off of the drugs, their legitimate jobs would support them in a better lifestyle. Ive said that to say this:

Live in shit, and be too stoned to care, or live comfortably sober? What right does the government have to make this choice for people?

You make some valid points there, but I gotta disagree with you. True, when a junkie has just taken his hit he feels on top of the world. (This could be applied to coke and crack etc. too) However, when you come down you get pain all over your body, you get headaches and sometimes whole-body spasms. Ask virtually any junkie in the world and they will tell you they hate the drug.

Hateing the drug and beinag able to have enough selfdiscipline to stop useing are two different things......ok kids here's a reality check=

While this legallization for drugs thing has been argued for I dont know how long---it still boils down to some key questions=

1)If legal what will the penalties for any crimes that involved drugs? ( death,murder,rape,etc) Are you too stupid/young to see that even alcohol ( a legal drink that is taxed and regulated) law enforcement regulations are either not enforced enough or stringent enough as it is?

2) Do you REALLY want the guy doing surgery/driveing your cab/etc being so high or even haveing imparied judegement to the point where your life is at risk?

3)Crime would not go down it would go up---more people would be doing what it takes to get that next hit--even if it were cheap---crime would rise as more and more junkies rob/steal/etc. to get the money for that next hit.

Typically I see only young teens and the like argueing that cheaper drugs/legalize drugs etc... is the way to go----I find that they are so stupid--we have enough difficulties involved with alcohol and yet they want to introduce something that is far mor potent?

How about comeing up with WORKABLE checks and balances that help VALIDATE your arguement/statements on legalizeing say for instance weed?

[Alejandro1]

At 4/25/03 01:17 PM, karasz wrote:

At 4/25/03 11:07 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: What if you shoot your friend with his parents' gun by accident because the weed impaired your judgement?

what if u drive ur car into a tree and kill the other 3 people in car with you cuz ur drunk???

in both instances they suck... but just remember ALL drugs are bad... regardless of their legality...

True, but when people drink and drive, they get fucked over really hard. The system really cracks down on that.

Here's another thing I see though: you can drink a few beers and not be drunk but you cant smoke pot without getting messed up, making it possible to cause problems. That's one of the bigger points I think the system sees and is one of the reasons pot is illegal.

[JudgeDredd]

At 4/25/03 02:57 PM, alejandro1 wrote:
Here's another thing I see though: you can drink a few beers and not be drunk but you cant smoke pot without getting messed up, making it possible to cause problems. That's one of the bigger points I think the system sees and is one of the reasons pot is illegal.

OMG, you can't be serious??

Drink makes ppl drive over confident, make ppl drink too much, make ppl ill. Young and old alike die everyday from alcohol related addiction and overdose.

Weed makes your average user more cautious (paranoid) so driving too slow might cause a few crashes, but it won't kill ppl.

Point is, you are not meant to do ANY drugs and drive.

Point is, we don't see any independant surveys done, just these biased ADS which have the much worse affect of mis-informing a public trying to differenciate between soft drug, hard drugs, and prescription drugs.

[Lord-Miroku-Sama]

At 4/25/03 01:17 PM, karasz wrote: in both instances they suck... but just remember ALL drugs are bad... regardless of their legality...

That means that things like Advil or drugs that treat diseases are bad. What the hell are you thinking?

[Nightshadeplus]

At 4/25/03 11:07 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: What if you shoot your friend with his parents' gun by accident because the weed impaired your judgement?

You'd feel pretty stupid then, wouldn't you?

I would be wondering how they found the parents' gun in the first place. I've seen that one commercial about the high kid and the gun. It's funny because the message it is sending is not anti-drug but gun-control.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/25/03 05:22 PM, Lord_Miroku_Sama wrote:

At 4/25/03 01:17 PM, karasz wrote: in both instances they suck... but just remember ALL drugs are bad... regardless of their legality...

That means that things like Advil or drugs that treat diseases are bad. What the hell are you thinking?

you know he didnt mean that. He meant ILLEGAL drugs are bad.

[Jimsween]

At 4/25/03 06:44 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/25/03 05:22 PM, Lord_Miroku_Sama wrote:

At 4/25/03 01:17 PM, karasz wrote: in both instances they suck... but just remember ALL drugs are bad... regardless of their legality...

That means that things like Advil or drugs that treat diseases are bad. What the hell are you thinking?

you know he didnt mean that. He meant ILLEGAL drugs are bad.

"regardless of their legality" But he is right, drugs have postive side effects but if you were to eliminate those they would be bad for you. Even the vaccines lower your lifespan despite thier positves.

[karasz]

At 4/25/03 05:22 PM, Lord_Miroku_Sama wrote:

At 4/25/03 01:17 PM, karasz wrote: in both instances they suck... but just remember ALL drugs are bad... regardless of their legality...

That means that things like Advil or drugs that treat diseases are bad. What the hell are you thinking?

ok lets faceit.. if u didnt understand what i meant then perhaps u need to learn how to interpret things...

fine... this is just for u FUNKbrs and that guy that said he sees few if any people being able to debate both sides rationally and not get all emotional...

drugs are used to keep people alive, since more people are alive, there is less resources to go around for the world... (i actually started a topic like this about a month ago) Thomas Malthus, stated the worlds population would increase to fast that the worlds ability to provide enough food for everyone would fail...

without the use of drugs social security would be a lot better, since less old people would mean less money needed for social security, and a whole bunch of other programs that help the sick wouldnt be needed...

[Ted-Easton]

It may seem cruel, but it's clear and true.
You're entitled to your opinion, Stalin. ;)

[karasz]

At 4/25/03 08:28 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: It may seem cruel, but it's clear and true.
You're entitled to your opinion, Stalin. ;)

well i was hopin for my own cool nickname... like hitler stalin... KARASZ

it just doesnt work...

[Anarchy-Balsac]

At 4/25/03 02:31 PM, ichbincow wrote:

1)If legal what will the penalties for any crimes that involved drugs? ( death,murder,rape,etc) Are you too stupid/young to see that even alcohol ( a legal drink that is taxed and regulated) law enforcement regulations are either not enforced enough or stringent enough as it is?

2) Do you REALLY want the guy doing surgery/driveing your cab/etc being so high or even haveing imparied judegement to the point where your life is at risk?

3)Crime would not go down it would go up---more people would be doing what it takes to get that next hit--even if it were cheap---crime would rise as more and more junkies rob/steal/etc. to get the money for that next hit.

1. what the fuck are you talking about? legalized drugs does not mean legalized murder

2. so for prohibiton then? because that guy had better not be drunk either

3.

a.Cartel associated killings would go down
b.Terrorist funding would go down
c.Drugs wouldn't be a crime

all three of those things would significantly reduce the felony rate. because people will get stoned in public class C and B misdamenors will probably go up, but what's worse? murder or throwing rocks at windows?

[DivineSlayer]

I've often thought about reducing the world's populaion by dropping a nuke on countries like India and China. Whoops there goes half the world's population. Everybody move on in.

[FUNKbrs]

At 4/25/03 01:47 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/25/03 10:34 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: heres my contention with this theory

People who are hooked on drugs REALLY like being high. Most of them (I still agree with you on the point of heroine and coke) see doing drugs as a good thing. If drugs were legal, the prices would drop, reducing the amount of crime neccesary to support a habit, possibly to the point of making it affordable for people who work regular jobs, instead of only to criminals. the junkies would still live in squalor, but they would be too high to care. If they got off of the drugs, their legitimate jobs would support them in a better lifestyle. Ive said that to say this:

Live in shit, and be too stoned to care, or live comfortably sober? What right does the government have to make this choice for people?

You make some valid points there, but I gotta disagree with you. True, when a junkie has just taken his hit he feels on top of the world. (This could be applied to coke and crack etc. too) However, when you come down you get pain all over your body, you get headaches and sometimes whole-body spasms. Ask virtually any junkie in the world and they will tell you they hate the drug.

Please give me an example other than coke or heroin, which I already agree should be illegal. Also, I believe you are referring to a hang-over, which normally only applies after over indulgence. Nothing taken to the extreme is pleasurable. Also, lets assume alcohol as the standard by which to judge how harmful a drug is. If its more harmful than alcohol, make it illegal, less, legal.

[JMHX]

At 4/25/03 09:40 PM, DivineSlayer wrote: I've often thought about reducing the world's populaion by dropping a nuke on countries like India and China. Whoops there goes half the world's population. Everybody move on in.

Wow, you're a moron and a half. Anyway, we just need to face the fact that drugs will NEVER be legalized because they've not played the beneficial part of society that alcohol and tobacco had. Argue like you will, but you know, in the end, Marijuana and every other illegal drug will forever be just that - illegal. Now, go back into your homes, hippies.

[Anarchy-Balsac]

At 4/26/03 12:16 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Now, go back into your homes, hippies.

me a hippy? rotflmao i hope you understand how dumb that was

[JMHX]

At 4/26/03 12:25 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 4/26/03 12:16 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Now, go back into your homes, hippies.

me a hippy? rotflmao i hope you understand how dumb that was

Man...you just press the limits of idiocy.

[Anarchy-Balsac]

At 4/26/03 12:27 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Man...you just press the limits of idiocy.

by what, saying i'm not a hippy? sorry to break the truth to you but that isn't stupid, it's fact. to say anyone who defends drugs is a hippy is dumb though

[Alejandro1]

At 4/25/03 09:40 PM, DivineSlayer wrote: I've often thought about reducing the world's populaion by dropping a nuke on countries like India and China. Whoops there goes half the world's population. Everybody move on in.

1) China has nukes, bad bad idea.

2) Then there's the nuclear winter. What do you plan to do with a large chunk of radioactive land that's uninhabitable for 50 years?

[karasz]

At 4/25/03 02:31 PM, ichbincow wrote: 1)If legal what will the penalties for any crimes that involved drugs? ( death,murder,rape,etc) Are you too stupid/young to see that even alcohol ( a legal drink that is taxed and regulated) law enforcement regulations are either not enforced enough or stringent enough as it is?

why not have the same laws as those of things done with alcohol???

2) Do you REALLY want the guy doing surgery/driveing your cab/etc being so high or even haveing imparied judegement to the point where your life is at risk?

who says ur be toking up before work???

3)Crime would not go down it would go up---more people would be doing what it takes to get that next hit--even if it were cheap---crime would rise as more and more junkies rob/steal/etc. to get the money for that next hit.

how do u know more people would do it if it were legal???

Typically I see only young teens and the like argueing that cheaper drugs/legalize drugs etc... is the way to go----I find that they are so stupid--we have enough difficulties involved with alcohol and yet they want to introduce something that is far mor potent?

every anti-drug commercial the exact same could be said about alcohol...

i consider it a terrorist act getting into a car drunk... ur terrorizing the not fucked up people out there...

How about comeing up with WORKABLE checks and balances that help VALIDATE your arguement/statements on legalizeing say for instance weed?

checks would violate the 4th amendment... and they would have to be voluntary if accepted...

[JMHX]

At 4/26/03 12:34 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 4/26/03 12:27 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Man...you just press the limits of idiocy.

by what, saying i'm not a hippy? sorry to break the truth to you but that isn't stupid, it's fact. to say anyone who defends drugs is a hippy is dumb though

People who defend drugs are morons because anyone with knowledge knows that politicians aren't just going to bend because a few red-around-the-eyes teenagers and underachieving college graduates want to smoke in the car or shoot up on heroin.