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[Carsinogenic]

hey,

i play in a band called "in the headset".
basically we are thinking about doing a series of video clips, and are thinking along the lines of animae.

so i guess this is a callout to all those of you who are up to the challenge.

there is a free download of 3 of the songs here, so you know what you will have to work with:
http://triplejunearthed.com/intheheadset

all submission are to be sent to [e-mail]
and the band will chose which entries will be used.

welooking for a full clip of animation, with story line and all. not just pictures.
more than happy to answer any questions, just drop me an email.

basically we have a few projects up and coming, and we're looking for 'mad skillz'.

This little excercise is a good opportunity to find what one seeks. an entry point.

and we're just putting it out there....

thanks for your time
Carsinogenic

[GustTheASGuy]

Great music! :D
But you'll have to cough up more than an 'entry point' to get someone really cool make you an animation, because a quality animation would take a good few months to complete, and nobody's desperate to get a bit of recognision now.

[Lucky]

How much are you willing to pay?
No good animator's going to animate a full song for you for no money whatsoever, even if a number of people might see it. Quality costs.

[flashbound]

shut up quality design... I'm ok, and I have experience with music videos... I just have to finish my NG world callab first :P

you assholes should start speaking for yourself instead of everyone on the whole freaking forum!

[flashbound]

so, is the music in pink and black boxes by you, or a band caled "the sa theives." I may be stupid but I cant find where to get your music... watch "toads revengs" for a sample of my music work... though it isnt my best, its all I have to show.

[GustTheASGuy]

At 2/7/07 06:50 PM, flashbound18 wrote: you assholes should start speaking for yourself instead of everyone on the whole freaking forum!
so, is the music in pink and black boxes by you, or a band caled "the sa theives."

lol

I may be stupid but I cant find where to get your music...

Exactly.

watch "toads revengs" for a sample of my music work... though it isnt my best, its all I have to show.

You're really good at animation, but apparently you're not nearly experianced enough to know about doing business. It's cool that you are able to work without pay, but if you ever want to start making people do things for you you'll have to get money. You should be getting alot for the quality animation you so.

[Carsinogenic]

hey guys,

in answering all above questions, the band is called "in the headset" there should be 3 songs to download from the triplejunearth site, songs being called "vagabond", "science" and "moodsetter".
if you are still having trouble downloading them let me know and i will email a copy of the mp3's out to you. (i tried attaching one of the songs as a sample, but this forum does not allow it )

and regarding payment, tis true that being an independant label means there is very little liquidity in the cash flow department....however, we are looking to compile a comple of album's worth of songs onto a DVD and have that for sale, out of which the animators whom have work on it will derive royalties.
plus there will be the offering to joing the "temple underground" artist network, something that is invitation only.

if you have any other q's, send them my way and i will answer them all as soon as possible.

till our paths cross again,
Carsinogenic

[flashbound]

I can understand oldgusts "buisness" point, but I understand what its like being a band, and the financial difficulties as well. Ive never animated for pay before and I'm not exactly old enough to care about that kind of stuff... I animate because I choose to do so; because I enjoy it, and those are reasons anyone should animate for. If you don't enjoy what you do than why do it? besides, the most important thing anyone can do is something for someone else.

[GustTheASGuy]

At 2/9/07 03:16 PM, flashbound18 wrote: If you don't enjoy what you do than why do it?

The point I made was in reference to getting someone interested. I'm not an animator (damnit Ejit) at all.

besides, the most important thing anyone can do is something for someone else.

I get much more negative at this point.

[flashbound]

lol old gust! I'm ejits friend! were working on a callab and a tutorial together... this is just proof that he has thoroughly made his mark on newgrounds!

[GustTheASGuy]

Yes, chances are that with my capacity I am aware of that, which is why I made the reference.

It's just 'Gust'. The 'old' part is to continuously remind something to someone. >:)

[Lucky]

At 2/9/07 03:16 PM, flashbound18 wrote: I can understand oldgusts "buisness" point, but I understand what its like being a band, and the financial difficulties as well. Ive never animated for pay before and I'm not exactly old enough to care about that kind of stuff... I animate because I choose to do so; because I enjoy it, and those are reasons anyone should animate for. If you don't enjoy what you do than why do it? besides, the most important thing anyone can do is something for someone else.

Im yet to see a 4 minute high quiality music video in your submitions(and yes the only music vid i've made was when i was a noob 3 years ago, and i need motivation to do one again). But you see you need to see what I mean by quality costs. I know there's tons of animators, and some of them do work for free, but those people are mostly low quality, which is great btw, they do the video , they're happy they've made one, and the musician gets a amateurish music video. BTW I'm not saying you're low quality, I'm speaking general, I haven't had a good look at your stuff yet.
However, animators are artists. And like with art , most people assume it's easy to do, and that payment isn't necesary, and that ANYONE could do it. E.G. You've ben an English teacher for 5 years, you change the school/university you're teaching at, and at the new one they go "look. we cant pay you.. BUT you can put in your portfolio that you've taught here, now hows that : D?!" This might seem exagurated, but it's the truth. And due to people who work for free, people still assume that anyone can make a cartoon, and all thay'd want in return is some credit, and maybe a chance they could put it on their resume, which in my opinion is wrong.
Of cource that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[Carsinogenic]

hey guys i didn't intend to start a flame war......

and regarding the argument at hand, from first hand experience i can say that artwork that is free is pure. why i say this is cause i have spent months producing songs that i have put up for free download, knowing that somewhere it the world a person may be listening to that song and it may speak to them. Perhaps even giving them the lift they needed at the time!?
Plus, i too am an artist. but not a conventional one, but rather an 'urban artist', and what drew me to this was cause it was about pure expression. now unlike what you think, my friends and i dont 'tag' but rather do big character murials in condemed or trashed buildings. artwork that most likely wont even be seen again for another 10yrs or so, but at which time will be he sind will be appreciated.
we do this for the love of the art, not the love of the money. furthermore, some of the crew now get paint for free from paint producers, plus occassionaly get paid for work due to photos that were leaked........ but the difference being, now that they have established a name they can do it all on their terms, and still paint their pure emotions instead of just greed induced capitalism.

everyone must walk their own path, if you stick to the well worn track the ending has been discovered by others. Walk your own path, by starting a fresh track, the ending is unknown...... but the riches have neither been tampered with.

Till our paths cross again,
Carsinogenic

[flashbound]

ugh.... exactly what Ive been saying, except with less Quality of words. luckdesign, you need to shutup; just because someone doesnt demand pay for helping someone like you and all the other bastards like you, doesnt mean that what they do will be "ameatureish." the greatest animators are probobly undescovered and have never made a cent animating. you are especially not to talk, considering you yourself have said that your own music video isnt very good.

ill take a look at one of your songs Carsinogenic, and probobly eventually animate it, but I have to much going on right now to.

I do this in an "ameaturish" way, no pay.

[GustTheASGuy]

I'm a bastard because I do what I want to do and not what others want to do? Mkay. You can forget about that collab.

I will most definately use an ITH song in a game, though. 'Sfunky. :D

[Carsinogenic]

<quote>"I'm a bastard because I do what I want to do and not what others want to do?"</quote>
i didn't say that, and if you think that is was i meant i am sorry but it is out of context and un-intended.

basically my previous post supposed to show that both sides of the flame war had valid points. what i am saying is that there is enough fire falling from the sky in other parts of the world, we dont need to bring the flames into the forums as well.

"all we are saying......is give peace a chance!" lol

till our paths cross again,
Carsinogenic

[GustTheASGuy]

Not at all referring to you, Carsinogenic.

(return+:+space to start a quote)

[fuzz]

Awsome music, reminds me of maroon5 :)

[Edvin]

At 2/10/07 10:05 AM, flashbound18 wrote: ugh.... exactly what Ive been saying, except with less Quality of words. luckdesign, you need to shutup; just because someone doesnt demand pay for helping someone like you and all the other bastards like you, doesnt mean that what they do will be "ameatureish." the greatest animators are probobly undescovered and have never made a cent animating. you are especially not to talk, considering you yourself have said that your own music video isnt very good.

ill take a look at one of your songs Carsinogenic, and probobly eventually animate it, but I have to much going on right now to.

I do this in an "ameaturish" way, no pay.

GOD SHUT THE FUCK UP!
LuckyDesign is by far a better animator than you, I know him, I've seen his work. All I've seen from you is a shit TOAD-FIGHTS-MARIO movie, so hold it for a second. Animation takes time, time is money XD

Also, you contradict yourself by calling yourself an amateure. asshat
LuckyDesign <3

[flashbound]

ugh... old gust.... I wasnt talking about you! I was talking about lucky design, whom was trying to say that animations arent as good unless done by someone you wanted pay! you can agree its reasonable to be offended by being called "ameaturish" for animating for free!

------your music is good and all but now I seem to be involved in a textual war over this thread!!!

[flashbound]

Edvin... your the most moronic person whom descided to get involved. for one, I allready said ToadsRevenge wasnt my best work, and 2, LuckyDesign Isnt that great of an animator either if Im not. go play in traffic.

[BritishMoose]

At 2/11/07 01:05 PM, flashbound18 wrote: Edvin... your the most moronic person whom descided to get involved. for one, I allready said ToadsRevenge wasnt my best work, and 2, LuckyDesign Isnt that great of an animator either if Im not. go play in traffic.

Please don't hold yourself with such high regard. Lucky Design is a very good animator. You're still starting out and show potential, but you're severely lacking in quite a few places. Either way, comparing yourself to others only creates a guise of arrogance, whichyou don't need.

Either way, this thread is not about whether artists should work for free or not. Please only post something useful to Carciogenic's plight - all this low-quality flaming can't be making it any easier for him.

[flashbound]

Ive allready offered up my time to animate his music. I really like the songs, there different than other music. I know I have improving to do, and I only compared myself to lucky design because our skill levels are very close yet I was made lower for being po'd at the "payment" and "ameatureish" comments.. In a month or so Im animating either the first or last song listed.......

sorry to offend luckydesign... you are a good animator.

[Lucky]

At 2/9/07 09:25 PM, Carsinogenic wrote: hey guys i didn't intend to start a flame war......

and regarding the argument at hand, from first hand experience i can say that artwork that is free is pure. why i say this is cause i have spent months producing songs that i have put up for free download, knowing that somewhere it the world a person may be listening to that song and it may speak to them. Perhaps even giving them the lift they needed at the time!?
Plus, i too am an artist. but not a conventional one, but rather an 'urban artist', and what drew me to this was cause it was about pure expression. now unlike what you think, my friends and i dont 'tag' but rather do big character murials in condemed or trashed buildings. artwork that most likely wont even be seen again for another 10yrs or so, but at which time will be he sind will be appreciated.
we do this for the love of the art, not the love of the money. furthermore, some of the crew now get paint for free from paint producers, plus occassionaly get paid for work due to photos that were leaked........ but the difference being, now that they have established a name they can do it all on their terms, and still paint their pure emotions instead of just greed induced capitalism.

everyone must walk their own path, if you stick to the well worn track the ending has been discovered by others. Walk your own path, by starting a fresh track, the ending is unknown...... but the riches have neither been tampered with.

Till our paths cross again,
Carsinogenic

My hat's off to you Carsinogenic for being the only one making valid points concerning this tread. And yes I do agree on your points, It's true that we artists should do what we do best, mainly for our own enjoyment, and the hope that someone out there would look / listen at our work and have something click inside his head, so he sees and understands the theme, the story we were trying to convey and experience the emotion, we want him/her to feel :) I couldn't agree more, HOWEVER in this world if you want to survive you can't just continiuously do things freely and do favors for everyone, because despite the fact that you love it, at one point you would think you could support yourself off it, in other words get money to pay the rent.

And yes this descussion could go on forever, because everyone has their opinion on the matter, so let's just stop please.
And to those of you judging me, trying to pick a fight, know that I HAVE worked as an actual flash animator for several months in flux animation studio nz, but I quit, because I want to get farther in my life, and I think flash animation can only go so far, I'm currently on a cg and web design cource, for which i was granted a schollarship, because the intervewers saw my flash logos, layouts and other things which are not on ng. So as far as the internet animation goes, i find it enjoyable, but I think it's MUCH more enjoyable actually knowing people you know and talk to enjoying your work. But once again it's just my 5 cents on this issue

Now then flashbound18 has offered to do the music video, so i think this question is solved, i vote for a tread lock

btw thanks for backing me up Edvin ol' budy ol' pal :)

[flashbound]

looks like you came out strongy than me luckydesign... this fight does need to end and it did start for a stupid reason. I actually had to put up with someone with the SS because of it. just for the record, I wasnt trying to pick a fight. knowone likes to be called "ameatureish," so sorry for the trouble anyway.

oh yeah, and thanks for backing ME up ejit.

[BritishMoose]

At 2/11/07 10:44 PM, LuckyDesign wrote: Now then flashbound18 has offered to do the music video, so i think this question is solved, i vote for a tread lock

I did too, but somewhat more inconspicuously :)

[Carsinogenic]

Hey guys,

well firstly i am glad that you like the music, and i can feel as though i have something to bring to the community. a community that would appear to have "healthy opinionated" conversation. :P

i have spent quite of bit of time trawling through the archives, and i must say that there is without doubt some well fine artwork of the animated variety to be found!

and for the record, i had no intention nor any idea that this thread was going to get so "out there" for that i am feeling guilty and very sorry!

talk to you all soon,
Carsinogenic

[GustTheASGuy]

Maybe you should start animating yourself. :D?

[Carsinogenic]

i have dabbled in flash, but there is a real art to it...... but alas i think that i am more than lacking in that department. I've done a heap of tutorials, and dedicated a bit of time to it, but at the end of the day i decided that it was best left to those whom have been gifted with that particular talent.
I think that i am better at music, so i will keep that as my focus for now.
and as it stand i barely find time to paint a single frame, let alone a full sequence :(
mostly these days if i find a bit of spare time, i usually paint a canvas or a ply sheet. (and a few walls).

being that i perform, record, engineer, and produce the music...... i find that i have very limited time. not to mention all the administrative, paper work, and behind the scenes responsibilities >.<

anyways, i best be heading off.
till later,
Carsinogenic

[Carsinogenic]

hey all!

thought i would just drop in and see how progress is coming along.
is there anyone nearly finished, cause the time is drawing near.....

btw, email us any progress so we can see how things are going.

and for those whom are working on this, get in contact with us.......... cause there are a few more things that need to be discussed. cheers

carsinogenic