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At 2/4/07 11:28 AM, lightning wrote:

At 2/4/07 10:36 AM, Memorize wrote: Think of it this way. You have to learn 10 different names and line them up in the correct measurement. I only have to learn 4 along with 4 numbers, inch to feet, feet to yard, then yards to miles. So if you want me to show you how this is basically working, I have to remember 8 things, you have to remember a little over 10.

We mostly only use millimeter, centimeter, meter and kilometer. Hey isn't that 4 names? Of course we also have other names like micrometer but in any ones normal life your never going to use it, thus not needed to know how small it is.

That's a big part of the issue, though. The Imperial system is amazing for Real Life use, and works very effectively. Sure, idiots with the brain capacity of a pea can't handle the simple conversions of "12" and "5280" but that doesn't actually matter. Regardless of your system, after 5+ years of use, an especially after 15+, you should known it innately and be able to convert with ease, thus making the conversions in Imperial irrelevant.

However, that still makes the unrealities of Metric a problem. Why do I need temperature centered at freezing and boiling when I'd die before I got halfway to boiling? Why do I need a unit of measure I can't measure out myself, without a ruler? Why do I need all these prefixes when simple, shorter names and notation work? Metric is no more exact than Imperial, and it doesn't reflect civilian life accurately, regradless of scientific applications.

At 2/4/07 10:36 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 2/4/07 07:04 AM, Goldensheep wrote:

ooo, 12, that's sooo hard. My Spleen!

Try doing 14.67 x 12, then 14.67 x 10 and tell me which is the easier to work out.
Also bear in mind that you only need to remember four prefixes (mili, centi, nothing and kilo) in order to talk about weight, length, magnitude of force, electric voltage, current and data storage. You need to remember four different names for each of these under an imperial system.
Metric can be seen as 8 + n (eight different prefixes, assuming you go from yoctometres - smaller than an atom to Gigametres, further than the moon, plus 'n' different types of measurment)
Imperial can be seen as 4n (four different lengths of measurment, for each different thing you wish to measure)
You can see that if you have just THREE things you want to measure (length, force and weight, for example) metric is the sensible system to use. Added to that, I padded the result, so not only is it the more convenient system, but it can measure things to several orders of magnitude better than imperial, without becoming more complicated

Point is, I don't have to remember so much like you, all the while the way I do it works just fine.

Agreed. If the way your doing it works, that's fine. I'm just pointing out that your way is archaic and stupid to teach people. For example, you could solve calculus problems through trial and error, and get exactly the same result as someone who knew about differentiation. Its just stupid to protest that trial and error is a better system "Because it is simpler to remember".

B) I get enought math during school so i'm not going to work on some boy's problem over the internet on a weekend.

Right. I think that proves my point. I could do that in my head in slightly under a minute using metric system. Even allowing for the fact I'm a supergenius (which I'm not) even the most retarded metric user should be able to do it in less time than it takes you to do all your unescassary calculations. It barely qualifies as maths, when done metrically.

At 2/4/07 11:38 AM, Draconias wrote:

However, that still makes the unrealities of Metric a problem. Why do I need temperature centered at freezing and boiling when I'd die before I got halfway to boiling? Why do I need a unit of measure I can't measure out myself, without a ruler? Why do I need all these prefixes when simple, shorter names and notation work? Metric is no more exact than Imperial, and it doesn't reflect civilian life accurately, regradless of scientific applications.

Science affects everything.

Medicine is measure in milligrams and micrograms.You couldn't get anywhere near the accuracy required for modern medicine with the imperial system.
Microprocessors' intricacy is measured in nanometers. Event the name microprocessor come from metric. Kilobytes, Megabytes, Gigabytes, Terabytes, all come from a decimalised form of binary measurements.
Electricity is measured in Watts, and is often sold by the kilowatt-hour.

And how can you measure out imperial without a ruler? Everyone has different bodies. Which is how people used to abuse the system. Back when cloth was sold on the street by the yard, the vendor would get a child to do the measuring. You can only be accurate with imperial after years of use, and then a long-term metric user could get the same accuracy.

At 2/4/07 11:38 AM, Draconias wrote: That's a big part of the issue, though. The Imperial system is amazing for Real Life use, and works very effectively. Sure, idiots with the brain capacity of a pea can't handle the simple conversions of "12" and "5280" but that doesn't actually matter. Regardless of your system, after 5+ years of use, an especially after 15+, you should known it innately and be able to convert with ease, thus making the conversions in Imperial irrelevant.

However, that still makes the unrealities of Metric a problem. Why do I need temperature centered at freezing and boiling when I'd die before I got halfway to boiling? Why do I need a unit of measure I can't measure out myself, without a ruler? Why do I need all these prefixes when simple, shorter names and notation work? Metric is no more exact than Imperial, and it doesn't reflect civilian life accurately, regradless of scientific applications.

Why doesn't metric reflect civilian life?
I fyou were raised on metric, u'd be arguing on how you couldn't live w/o it! How can you measure out imperial w/o a rular? thats my question! Shorter notations don't really help, as i could write mm, cm, km, m etc. Oh, buts its so loooooooooong! two whole letters!!!! OMG! Tell me how many inches are in 2,356,324 miles. w/o a calculator! How many milimeters are in 2,365,324 km?236,532,400,000mm! woah! EASY! and how is that harder than imperial?

At 2/4/07 10:49 AM, JohnnyWang wrote:

How many inches is a foot? I remember it was around twelve. And how many foot are a yard, how many yards a mile? How about cubic inches to gallons transition etc.?

Hello dumbass. Allow me to explain myself once again to your pee-brain mind can comprehend it. I'm talking about most real life situations. Did that register or did it fly over your head?

The imperial system is better to use in songs cause the metric system has too many sylables.

At 2/4/07 05:37 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: The imperial system is better to use in songs cause the metric system has too many sylables.

Which is where you can use vocal abbreviations like "klicks" - kilometres, and "mill" - millimetres or millilitres, depending on context. Metre has two syllables, as does litre. Tonnes and Tons are homophonous. Microns and micrometres are the same thing.

Granted, most songs do still use miles, but like I said earlier, the UK still uses miles on road signs anyway.

At 2/4/07 05:53 PM, Leonardo-Da-Finchy wrote:

At 2/4/07 05:37 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: The imperial system is better to use in songs cause the metric system has too many sylables.

Which is where you can use vocal abbreviations like "klicks" - kilometres, and "mill" - millimetres or millilitres, depending on context. Metre has two syllables, as does litre. Tonnes and Tons are homophonous. Microns and micrometres are the same thing.

Granted, most songs do still use miles, but like I said earlier, the UK still uses miles on road signs anyway.

And I would walk 500 miles, and I would walk 500 more,
Just to be the man who walked 10thousand miles to fall down at your door!
dadada-da, dadada-da,
Dumdididum-dididumdididum-dididum!
hey, you're right!

At 2/4/07 04:28 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 2/4/07 10:49 AM, JohnnyWang wrote:

How many inches is a foot? I remember it was around twelve. And how many foot are a yard, how many yards a mile? How about cubic inches to gallons transition etc.?

Hello dumbass. Allow me to explain myself once again to your pee-brain mind can comprehend it. I'm talking about most real life situations. Did that register or did it fly over your head?

OK, real life situation.you are in a boat that has run out of gas. You are a poor swimmer. Sinse it was a rented boat, the spedometer says you have gone 314,590 feet. How many miles to shore? Damn i wish i had switched to metric! Alrigh, bad example, but can you thnk of ONE situation where you would be like, Sweet! I'm glad i stayed with imperial!

At 2/4/07 05:37 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: The imperial system is better to use in songs cause the metric system has too many sylables.

Yeah, the new hit classic, Inches of my Heart! Who cares about use in music? That is irrelevent!

At 2/4/07 06:50 PM, Wills4545 wrote:

OK, real life situation.you are in a boat that has run out of gas. You are a poor swimmer. Sinse it was a rented boat, the spedometer says you have gone 314,590 feet. How many miles to shore? Damn i wish i had switched to metric!

Why? All you have to do is remember 2 numbers and then simply divide...

Alrigh, bad example, but can you thnk of ONE situation where you would be like, Sweet! I'm glad i stayed with imperial!

You just gave me one.

At 2/4/07 08:42 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 2/4/07 06:50 PM, Wills4545 wrote:

OK, real life situation.you are in a boat that has run out of gas. You are a poor swimmer. Sinse it was a rented boat, the spedometer says you have gone 314,590 feet. How many miles to shore? Damn i wish i had switched to metric!

Why? All you have to do is remember 2 numbers and then simply divide...

and since it was rented shouldn't the number be considerably higher than the distance you travelled?

The only area where the imperial system is better is the "Farenheit", in my opinion, as it's much more specific.

At 2/4/07 08:42 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 2/4/07 06:50 PM, Wills4545 wrote:

OK, real life situation.you are in a boat that has run out of gas. You are a poor swimmer. Sinse it was a rented boat, the spedometer says you have gone 314,590 feet. How many miles to shore? Damn i wish i had switched to metric!

Why? All you have to do is remember 2 numbers and then simply divide...

So what is the number of feet in a mile? Nobody seems to have come up with an actual answer yet.

I can tell you that a metric mile (equivalent, approximately the same distance) is 1600m, and three feet is just under one metre, so I can tell you that you are approximately 104,200 m from shore, which is about 65 miles, or 104 km. Woah, that was difficult.

At 2/5/07 07:56 AM, Leonardo-Da-Finchy wrote: 65 miles, or 104 km. Woah, that was difficult.

Which is actually, like the other guy said, this distance the boat has travelled since it was built, not necessarily how far you've travelled out to sea, and even then it could have been tinkered with.

ALRIGHT GUYS! 4GET THE GODDAMN BOAT! BAD EXAMPLE! jeez! but really give me one example where imperial is MUCH beter than metric. One example. plz.

Was that a spedometer or a spedometre ..or a spedoyard? lol

I think the #1 reason is American football. The 10 yard lines would all have to re-sync to meters. Ironically, atheletes run in meters perhaps because of international events.

"As a side note, it has been speculated that the current group of world class sprinters, the men who can run sub 10.00 for 100 meters, are probably passing the 100 yard mark below 9.00 seconds. But because nobody's interested in this event anymore, there's never been a check just to see. It would be easy to do, it's just that no one [cares] to."

Anyway, how many Mars probes have to planet dive before someone notices the imperial system is an anachronism in the modern world.

At 2/4/07 10:42 PM, Tancrisism wrote: The only area where the imperial system is better is the "Farenheit", in my opinion, as it's much more specific.

Maybe time too - its still done in minutes and hours, and deciseconds wouldn't make much sense. Its useful to have the smaller units in metric, though.

At 2/5/07 01:09 PM, Goldensheep wrote:

At 2/4/07 10:42 PM, Tancrisism wrote: The only area where the imperial system is better is the "Farenheit", in my opinion, as it's much more specific.

Maybe time too - its still done in minutes and hours, and deciseconds wouldn't make much sense. Its useful to have the smaller units in metric, though.

Yeah, ur right about time, but metric is better as an international standard for measurement. ISO has accepted it, so i think the US should too. We are one of like 2 countries who haven't switched!

I just get pissed off when people bitch about that they wouldn't get the speed limits are and shit. For those of you out there: see the number on the sign? Okay, remember that. Now look at the speedometer. See the little orange moving stick? Don't let that go past the corresponding number.

At 2/5/07 04:20 PM, reviewer-general wrote: I just get pissed off when people bitch about that they wouldn't get the speed limits are and shit. For those of you out there: see the number on the sign? Okay, remember that. Now look at the speedometer. See the little orange moving stick? Don't let that go past the corresponding number.

You forget, Amerians are NOTORIOUSLY DUMB!!!!! they would FIND A WAY.

60mph = 100 km/h

That's close enough.

At 2/5/07 01:09 PM, Goldensheep wrote:

At 2/4/07 10:42 PM, Tancrisism wrote: The only area where the imperial system is better is the "Farenheit", in my opinion, as it's much more specific.

Maybe time too - its still done in minutes and hours, and deciseconds wouldn't make much sense. Its useful to have the smaller units in metric, though.

Deciseconds aren't widely used in metric countries though, are they? In that aspect I thought the two systems were similar.

At 2/6/07 02:06 AM, Tancrisism wrote:

Deciseconds aren't widely used in metric countries though, are they? In that aspect I thought the two systems were similar.

Most just say "tenths of". Milliseconds and microseconds are widely used, even in imperial countries.

At 2/5/07 05:23 PM, Wills4545 wrote:

You forget, Amerians are NOTORIOUSLY DUMB!!!!! they would FIND A WAY.

They are. I'm responding to one right now.

At 2/5/07 08:53 AM, Wills4545 wrote: ALRIGHT GUYS! 4GET THE GODDAMN BOAT! BAD EXAMPLE! jeez! but really give me one example where imperial is MUCH beter than metric. One example. plz.

;
Say your in Canada (it's where I live)
You go down to the local building supply store.
You walk into the lumber section & order 40 pcs of 8ft 2x6's, & 10 pcs of 12ft 2x10's , get some random 1x3 strapping & 20 sheets of 3/4 inch 4'x8' plywood.
Even though we are a metric using country, we still buy & sell lumber in feet.
I don't know why that is but saying you need a 8ft 2x4 is instantly understood, you say you want a 240cm 5x10 cm is going to get you a confused look for sure.