adults dont understand electronica

[iros-industrial]

this is something ive noticed lately. most adults don't recognize electronic music as music. my dad once told me that he swore all the stuff sounded the same. i was also talking to my music teacher about a song i was working on. when i showed him he said he couldn't follow it. have you noticed this?

[Stealth-Emergence]

Yes! it's common, not all adults are like that, but 99.99% of them are.

most will say it's just noise (although, some say that about metal) yeah, don't worry about it, they don't understand it for the most part, they hear one second, discover it isn't Elton John and then their ears shut off

[WinTang]

At 2/2/07 10:39 PM, Stealth-Emergence wrote: Yes! it's common, not all adults are like that, but 99.99% of them are.

Nowadays, 83.4% of all statistics are pulled out of thin air.

[Stealth-Emergence]

At 2/2/07 10:40 PM, WinTang wrote:

At 2/2/07 10:39 PM, Stealth-Emergence wrote: Yes! it's common, not all adults are like that, but 99.99% of them are.

Nowadays, 83.4% of all statistics are pulled out of thin air.

so which is this one then? is it one of the remaining 17.6% ?

[Setu-Firestorm]

It's just another part of people afraid to be exposed to something new. It's been a normal human reaction throughout musical history. I always remind those people that when they were our age their music was looked at the same way by their elders.

[WinTang]

At 2/2/07 10:42 PM, Stealth-Emergence wrote:

At 2/2/07 10:40 PM, WinTang wrote:

At 2/2/07 10:39 PM, Stealth-Emergence wrote: Yes! it's common, not all adults are like that, but 99.99% of them are.

Nowadays, 83.4% of all statistics are pulled out of thin air.

so which is this one then? is it one of the remaining 17.6% ?

Ironically, that would make 101%.

Are you truly asking me for an answer to that question? XD

[Stealth-Emergence]

At 2/2/07 10:47 PM, WinTang wrote:
Ironically, that would make 101%.

lol

Are you truly asking me for an answer to that question? XD

Yeah man! ;)

[MaestroRage]

you guys are wrong wrong

wrong

WRONG some more!

I don't think it has anything to do with them being afraid or rejecting it, but everything to do with how their minds have been molded to it.

Think about it, everybody knows your mind is more impressionable when you're a child. What you see, hear or do will effect who you are as a person, once a certain age has been hit the mind is engraved in stone in its ways and is difficult to change. Like a river has been dug into their system, you don't just stand by a river and say "go the uther way!!!" cuz that doesn't work.

They grew up without techno/electronica/heavy metal and had mostly songs like Elton John. It's not that they fear it, but simply their mind cannot fully understand it as their brains are immediately trying to percieve it through the old mindset which is incompatible.

Like taking a heavy rock listener and suddenly plopping them into a room with Beethoven's symphonies. The few words you'd understand from that man's obscene ranting would indicate he doesn't appreciate that type of audio.

There, one of lifes questions answered. Let there be peace.

[WinTang]

Okay.

You just pulled that statement out of thin air. Thus, you belong to the 83,4% that were pulled out of thin air by me. Thus, you are thin air.

[Stealth-Emergence]

At 2/2/07 10:53 PM, WinTang wrote: Okay.

You just pulled that statement out of thin air. Thus, you belong to the 83,4% that were pulled out of thin air by me. Thus, you are thin air.

Yay!!! I shall die a happy man now

well yeah but I used it as a form of emphasis, so whether it was accurate or not wasn't the poit I was trying to make, but fun was had along the way, especially with the 101 = lol

oh the fun we had ;)

Ok i'm taking it too far now, I must stop

[jarrydn]

At 2/2/07 10:53 PM, MaestroRage wrote: Like taking a heavy rock listener and suddenly plopping them into a room with Beethoven's symphonies. The few words you'd understand from that man's obscene ranting would indicate he doesn't appreciate that type of audio.

Metal and classical go hand in hand.

I certainly listen to a bit of classical from time to time, and I know alot of other metalheads who appreciate it.

[Wavedude]

Preps dont understand it either.

[speedmetalmessiah]

At 2/2/07 10:53 PM, MaestroRage wrote:
Like taking a heavy rock listener and suddenly plopping them into a room with Beethoven's symphonies.

I would love that.

[attemptedperfection]

My dad is the same way; if it hasn't been played with live instruments, there's no talent in it. If the vocalist is screaming the lyrics, it's automatically garbage, since obviously anyone can scream. (In case you can't tell, I'm expressing his opinion with sarcasm.) I try to explain to him the difficulty and the versatility in programming in every note, manipulating sounds electronically and whatnot... I guess if you haven't done it yourself, it's hard to really understand. I know I didn't appreciate electronic music half as much before I started making it.

50% of all people are above average.

[LJCoffee]

lol... almost enough said - but for those of you who haven't dealt with me before, I'll go into just a hair more detail.

There are so many things wrong with this point of view that I'm not even certain where to start...

Let's take this - "most adults don't recognize electronic music as music"

Who the hell do you think makes most of the electronica that you're listening to? - I'll give you a hint - they aren't in high school...

Here are a few that might interest you:
Tom Jenkinson (a.k.a. Squarepusher) born 1975
Richard David James (a.k.a Aphex Twin) born 1971
Rob Brown and Sean Booth (Autechre) born in 1971 and 1973 respectively
Luke Francis Vibert (a.k.a. Plug) born 1973
Marshall Jefferson (integral in the creation of House and Acid) born 1959

You seeing a pattern yet?

And your teacher - he couldn't follow it eh? - Were you using standard notation or some other method that he may not have been familiar with.

We really need to define our terms better - what exactly are you calling an "adult"

I think you are making broad generalizations based on a very very small cross section of people.

Don't make too many assumptions about "adults"- after all, the great majority of the cool-ass cutting edge stuff that you're into is currently being created by Gen-X'ers and older!

[snoballandthmonyshot]

At 2/2/07 10:36 PM, iros-industrial wrote: this is something ive noticed lately...

erm... i've been to warp events where it's full of old bastards. my mates dad is also the biggest plaid fan ever, volume II. plus most of the big names in electronica are all grown up... so there

[jarrydn]

What LJCoffee said.

I wanted to say it, but it would have been incoherent babble. LJCoffee is the best at conveying points. LJCoffee is a sweetie.

I was probably going to say something along the lines of "LOL SQUAREPUSHER ISN'T 14 WITH A COPY OF FRUITYLOOPS YOU KNOW D:"

[Rucklo]

At 2/3/07 01:52 AM, LJCoffee wrote:

Who the hell do you think makes most of the electronica that you're listening to? - I'll give you a hint - they aren't in high school...

Exactly. Honestly, when i think of "electronica" i think of men around 30-40, sitting in a studio mixing britney spears hits, by some reason...

Do some research, and I´m sure the "trend" LJC just showed will get even stronger.
Probably because it takes YEARS to learn how to master your programs, knowing your physics, understanding thecreative parts etc.
YEEAAAARRRRRRSSSSSS...

[Patcoola]

At 2/2/07 10:36 PM, iros-industrial wrote: this is something ive noticed lately. most adults don't recognize electronic music as music. when i showed him he said he couldn't follow it. have you noticed this?

if it's about midi that i can understand because of what midi really is.

[Erkie]

At 2/3/07 03:47 AM, Rucklo wrote: YEEAAAARRRRRRSSSSSS...

When you read the biographies of all the good artists today, you'll find they are getting slightly older then you might expect, because before they produced their own albums, they worked pubs, lounges, and underground places for somewhere close to a decade. You'll find a looong background story behind every artist.

[attemptedperfection]

From the fact(?) that most electronica is produced by adults, it does not follow that most adults produce electronica. Sure, it's unfair to say that 99% of adults don't get it, but I think it's fair to say that a significantly higher percentage of adults do not understand electronica than kids. And this ratio goes up drastically when we're talking about people who don't actually produce it.

[LJCoffee]

At 2/3/07 03:30 AM, jarrydn wrote: LJCoffee is a sweetie.

A sweetie? heh... thanks?

At 2/3/07 06:27 PM, Erkie wrote: You'll find a looong background story behind every artist.

Absolutely - and most of the "adults" producing today most likely started out when they were in their teens but today they're still adults. We only get older right?

Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when the average person that's here on NG right now will be saying "What the hell is that god-awful noise that the damn kids are playing these days? - that's not music!! I remember the good old days when we listened to real music like Gorillaz and 50 cent." heh heh...

At 2/3/07 09:50 PM, attemptedperfection wrote: I think it's fair to say that a significantly higher percentage of adults do not understand electronica than kids.

Perhaps - but only because there is a significantly higher percentage of adults.

And this ratio goes up drastically when we're talking about people who don't actually produce it.

Again though - we're back to the need for defining our terms - what's the "adult" cutoff point?

To say that most adults "don't get it" is just a gross overstatement - every club in Ybor city (a local clubby little place) is packed with two things - variations of electronica and people who most would consider adults.

[Plastic]

At 2/2/07 10:36 PM, iros-industrial wrote: this is something ive noticed lately. most adults don't recognize electronic music as music. my dad once told me that he swore all the stuff sounded the same. i was also talking to my music teacher about a song i was working on. when i showed him he said he couldn't follow it. have you noticed this?

Well was it electronica, or trance? Because you said electronic music, and thats a pretty vague category.

[Kirizzle]

Define adults. Do you mean parents? People older than 18? Mature people? 'cause I ain't gettin' it, foo.

[winKoneR]

yeah :D that´s why best electronical music artists are kids :D

[iros-industrial]

At 2/3/07 10:38 PM, Kirizzle wrote: Define adults. Do you mean parents? People older than 18? Mature people? 'cause I ain't gettin' it, foo.

sorry i made it vague
im talking about people in there 40's. and when i say they don't understand electronica, i mean thay can't grasp that its music. i know this isnt the case for all people, but it seems to be kind of common

[mhb]

i think it has more to do with the fact that they here a pumpin' bass line and can't hear anything above the 6 khz frequency 'cause they're older and most older people can't hear higher frequencies that well. that and the fact that to them it sounds like rap. all they hear is some drums with a poundin' bass line and make some clicks and whistles. and i mean that literally. i have a friend who's played guitar and listened to and made music his entire life. he's almost 50 now and he can't hear somebody knock on his front door or his phone ring. but he can tell you what a guitar player is doin' just by hearin' some guitar work. it's all about what a person's ears are tuned to and for most adults it's the frequency of the news on tv and radio.

[attemptedperfection]

At 2/3/07 09:50 PM, attemptedperfection wrote:

To say that most adults "don't get it" is just a gross overstatement - every club in Ybor city (a local clubby little place) is packed with two things - variations of electronica and people who most would consider adults.

You can't assume that to mean most adults listen to electronica. Are you saying that over half the adult population goes to clubs similar to those in Ybor city? (I'm going to take the definition of "adult" to be "over 21," but in this case it doesn't really matter; I'd go as far as to say most people in general don't listen to electronica, excluding its use in rap and other popular music)

[LJCoffee]

At 2/4/07 11:39 PM, attemptedperfection wrote: You can't assume that to mean most adults listen to electronica.

Nope - not at all - arguing that way is like saying that since something isn't black, then it must be white.

Earlier, you said:

At 2/3/07 09:50 PM, attemptedperfection wrote: From the fact(?) that most electronica is produced by adults, it does not follow that most adults produce electronica.

Of course it doesn't follow - that's why I never claimed that most adults produce electronica.

I'm not arguing that I'm correct - I'm simply saying that the original statements made by iros-industrial are incorrect.

Are you saying that over half the adult population goes to clubs similar to those in Ybor city?

Again - Nope - not even close to half of the population - but the great majority of the people that are there are generally considered to be "adults" and that just doesn't fit with the statements made prior.

I never said that "All adults love electronica" - that would be just as absurd as saying that none of them understand it. I was just using that to demonstrate that you can't make a definitive statement concerning an undefined subject.

At 2/2/07 10:36 PM, iros-industrial wrote: most adults don't recognize electronic music as music.

most white people don't recognize ethnic food as food.

A fair statement? No, but change "most" to "some" and it might hold some water.

Preference also comes into play as well. Just because a certain group of people don't prefer something doesn't mean that it's beyond their grasp.

I don't listen to country music - Oh, believe me, I get it - it's easy enough to understand and I grew up in a place where the majority of the people listened to it.

According to MaestroRage I should love it because my impressionable little system would have had a nice wide country river carved into it - and yet, oddly enough - I don't. I understand it completely and yet I prefer not to listen to it.

I think that Setu-Firestorm hit a little closer to the truth with his statements about people being exposed to new ideas. People can certainly be a bit xenophopic.

So now - we'll all start to see clarifications and definitions

At 2/4/07 04:39 PM, iros-industrial wrote: im talking about people in there 40's. and when i say they don't understand electronica, i mean thay can't grasp that its music. i know this isnt the case for all people, but it seems to be kind of common

iros-industrial, people in their 40's - and 50's and on up are quite capable of grasping that it is music. I think it's just that a larger number of them (as opposed to the younger crowd) prefer something else - and I think that's what is more common. They understand it - they just don't prefer it.

We're also starting to talk about another generation gap - as the mean age of the subject starts to climb, we're starting to cross over from Gen-X into the Baby-Boomers - and unless you guys wanna jump forums into politics then I think I'll leave that box of worms alone for now.

Well... I suppose I'm done - besides, my strained prunes are getting cold and I need another shot of Geritol and some hard-candy.

:D

[Kingbastard]

LJ, Well Said Old Bean.