How would you run the country?

[karasz]

ok here is the deal... you are elected as top executive of ur country... NOW remember what kind of government you have (no changing the USA into an dictatorship and other stuff like that...)

the legislative branch is split evenly 50-50 lib/conserv

how would you go about running the country... NOW keep in mind that politics is politics so if ur idea is too radical (kiling all muslims, circumventing the constitution entirely, replacing legislature with muppets, ), it will get shot down...

im just curious to see how some people calling for the destruction of welfare will go about doing it...

[FUNKbrs]

step one: Pull out of the Middle East for a little while, its time to consolidate our allies.

step two: boost the economy by legalizing pot and taxing the living shit out of it so the price stays the same.

step three: use the tax money from pot to improve education and cut taxes,

step four: announce the death of social security induction, the old people stay in, but no more inductees until a better system is found.

thats it for now, Ill steal some other peoples good ideas after they post and pretend I didnt make any bad ones

[NJDeadzone]

what about life insurance, i know someone who lost both his parents in a car accident and was award $2000000 10 years ago, he now has 10 million...

[Alejandro1]

I dont know if you could make any real progress in anything because any ideas I had would just get tossed around in congress, sort of like the war proposel in the UN (if you get the picture).

However, if I was elected pres, I would do the following:

1) Remove social security and would find a different system (people on the system would continue).

2) Remove welfare because people just abuse the system.

3) I'd remove price supports on food goods because the government should not have to buy a surplus of food we cant do jack shit with.

4) I'd eliminate affirmative action because it is racist against white people.

5) In terms of what to do with Iraq, I would set up a democratic govt. that is funded and guided by the Americans and Brits. In about 5 years, I'd pull out and let them go their own way.

6) I'd continue fuel-cell research (if you dont know what that is, look it up because I dont have the time to tell you) so that the American people can become liberated from the need of foreign oil because our domestic oil can cover the basic needs of the people. Eventually, Europe and Japan will catch on to this trend and we can bankrupt the entire Middle-East. And no, this isnt a bad thing because they buy practically nothing from us anyway.

[JudgeDredd]

Power trip!! ..omg, where to start?

ok, i'd reverse much "old style" logic, and steer the country a new sci-fi direction - like "get to the moon first" did.

1 - make it ok for ppl to work as young as 10 years of age, as long as they continue their education by other means (like child actors do)
2 - legislate a tax against adverse chemicals and pesticides, and decriminalize all natural alternatives.
3 - legislate a tax against fossil fuels, and subsidize wind, water, solar, and fusion research.
4 - introduce a home care wage system for solo parents (BUT this only paid for if their previous occupation can be roboticized)
5 - offer a 75% subsidy for robotic mining of the moon and other planets.
6 - offer a 50% subsidy for the total cost of resettlement of humans onto the moon and other planets.
7 - offer a 25% subsidy for colonization of the oceans.
8 - fund research into low capacity flight transport systems (non-fossil fuel only)
9 - ban all advertising that doe not specifically target a person who has logged themselves as a potential buyer of those products.
10 - stop taxing workers replacing it with tax goods instead.

..the additional cost of tech-subsidies would be offset by increase workforce demand and decreased wasteful consumption.

[JudgeDredd]

At 4/23/03 10:23 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
step three: use the tax money from pot to improve education and cut taxes.

weed grows wildly - do you mean you would license and tax farmers??

:(_man, THAT SUCKS!

[Jimsween]

At 4/23/03 10:23 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: step one: Pull out of the Middle East for a little while, its time to consolidate our allies.

And let them set up an islamic state in Iraq?

step two: boost the economy by legalizing pot and taxing the living shit out of it so the price stays the same.

step three: use the tax money from pot to improve education and cut taxes,

I could grow pot in my backyard, why would I buy it.

step four: announce the death of social security induction, the old people stay in, but no more inductees until a better system is found.

How do you pay for the people that already have it?

[Jimsween]

At 4/23/03 10:54 PM, alejandro1 wrote: I dont know if you could make any real progress in anything because any ideas I had would just get tossed around in congress, sort of like the war proposel in the UN (if you get the picture).

However, if I was elected pres, I would do the following:

1) Remove social security and would find a different system (people on the system would continue).

Like I said, how could you continue to pay for it?

2) Remove welfare because people just abuse the system.

People also abuse the grant system and they abuse the taxes too, are you going to remove those?

4) I'd eliminate affirmative action because it is racist against white people.

Yeah we need all the help we can get, it is hardly racist against white people because it allows you to have more white people than minorites and dont think that they would coninue to hire minorities. Most of the owners of businesses are rich white racist people.

5) In terms of what to do with Iraq, I would set up a democratic govt. that is funded and guided by the Americans and Brits. In about 5 years, I'd pull out and let them go their own way.

I dont think britan would go for that because they barely got any of the rebuilding contracts.

6) I'd continue fuel-cell research (if you dont know what that is, look it up because I dont have the time to tell you) so that the American people can become liberated from the need of foreign oil because our domestic oil can cover the basic needs of the people. Eventually, Europe and Japan will catch on to this trend and we can bankrupt the entire Middle-East. And no, this isnt a bad thing because they buy practically nothing from us anyway.

Sigh, did you even know about this before the president talked about it?

[Jimsween]

At 4/23/03 11:03 PM, Judge_DREDD wrote:

1 - make it ok for ppl to work as young as 10 years of age, as long as they continue their education by other means (like child actors do)

Have you even been to mexico?

2 - legislate a tax against adverse chemicals and pesticides, and decriminalize all natural alternatives.

Huh? since when were they criminalized... oooo you mean ganja...

3 - legislate a tax against fossil fuels, and subsidize wind, water, solar, and fusion research.

Prepare to have the Country turn into california 3 years ago...

4 - introduce a home care wage system for solo parents (BUT this only paid for if their previous occupation can be roboticized)

Uhhh... ok.

5 - offer a 75% subsidy for robotic mining of the moon and other planets.

We need all the... useless rock we can get.

6 - offer a 50% subsidy for the total cost of resettlement of humans onto the moon and other planets.

Riiiiight....

7 - offer a 25% subsidy for colonization of the oceans.

*cals the phsyc ward* very good judge, very good.

8 - fund research into low capacity flight transport systems (non-fossil fuel only)

Youre not actually suggesting we all fly on solar planes?

9 - ban all advertising that doe not specifically target a person who has logged themselves as a potential buyer of those products.

This is good in theory but unfortunatly nobody would want to be advertised.

10 - stop taxing workers replacing it with tax goods instead.

But then you can deduct things.

..the additional cost of tech-subsidies would be offset by increase workforce demand and decreased wasteful consumption.

Within 8 years? That is IF you get elected for a second term but I think nobody would like your wasting thier money on the moon.

[Jimsween]

At 4/23/03 11:03 PM, Judge_DREDD wrote:

1 - make it ok for ppl to work as young as 10 years of age, as long as they continue their education by other means (like child actors do)

Have you ever been to mexico?

2 - legislate a tax against adverse chemicals and pesticides, and decriminalize all natural alternatives.

Since when was it illegal... Oh wait, you mean ganja...

3 - legislate a tax against fossil fuels, and subsidize wind, water, solar, and fusion research.

Prepare to have America turn into california 3 years ago.

4 - introduce a home care wage system for solo parents (BUT this only paid for if their previous occupation can be roboticized)

Uhhh... ok?

5 - offer a 75% subsidy for robotic mining of the moon and other planets.

Yeha, we need more... rock.

6 - offer a 50% subsidy for the total cost of resettlement of humans onto the moon and other planets.

.... oookkkk...

7 - offer a 25% subsidy for colonization of the oceans.

That very good dredd (calls 911)

8 - fund research into low capacity flight transport systems (non-fossil fuel only)]

It took nasa 5 years to make one solar powered plane that can support itself.

9 - ban all advertising that doe not specifically target a person who has logged themselves as a potential buyer of those products.

That sounds good in theory but nobody would log themselves.

10 - stop taxing workers replacing it with tax goods instead.

But what about your deductables

[karasz]

jimsween... what would u do if u were incharge???

and everyone that has posted or will post will have flaws in their post... is it really worth going through everyones posts and pointing it out???

[Jimsween]

At 4/24/03 12:02 AM, karasz wrote: jimsween... what would u do if u were incharge???

Nothing new.

and everyone that has posted or will post will have flaws in their post... is it really worth going through everyones posts and pointing it out???

Yes, yes it is. That is why this is a debate forum.

[Alejandro1]

At 4/23/03 11:27 PM, jimsween wrote:

4) I'd eliminate affirmative action because it is racist against white people.

Yeah we need all the help we can get, it is hardly racist against white people because it allows you to have more white people than minorites and dont think that they would coninue to hire minorities. Most of the owners of businesses are rich white racist people.

Actually, it is racist against white people. Since you're probably a minority, you wouldnt know what it feels like to get refused from a college because they need more Hispanic people with lower GPA and test scores than you.

6) I'd continue fuel-cell research (if you dont know what that is, look it up because I dont have the time to tell you) so that the American people can become liberated from the need of foreign oil because our domestic oil can cover the basic needs of the people. Eventually, Europe and Japan will catch on to this trend and we can bankrupt the entire Middle-East. And no, this isnt a bad thing because they buy practically nothing from us anyway.

Sigh, did you even know about this before the president talked about it?

Dude, I bet president Bush is not well knowledged in the science of fuel cells. I do know quite a bit about fuel cells and I did research on them for school 2 years ago (Bush talked about it maybe 2-3 months ago). I doubt you know much about them so I consider you look into the subject because electrolysis is the future of energy, not solar or nuclear energy.

[Jimsween]

At 4/24/03 12:31 AM, alejandro1 wrote:

At 4/23/03 11:27 PM, jimsween wrote:

4) I'd eliminate affirmative action because it is racist against white people.

Yeah we need all the help we can get, it is hardly racist against white people because it allows you to have more white people than minorites and dont think that they would coninue to hire minorities. Most of the owners of businesses are rich white racist people.

Actually, it is racist against white people. Since you're probably a minority, you wouldnt know what it feels like to get refused from a college because they need more Hispanic people with lower GPA and test scores than you.

Nope, I'm as white as you can get. In the case of affirmative action the pro's outwieght the con's. If all the people in america who had power were white than the minorities wouldnt have a say.

6) I'd continue fuel-cell research (if you dont know what that is, look it up because I dont have the time to tell you) so that the American people can become liberated from the need of foreign oil because our domestic oil can cover the basic needs of the people. Eventually, Europe and Japan will catch on to this trend and we can bankrupt the entire Middle-East. And no, this isnt a bad thing because they buy practically nothing from us anyway.

Sigh, did you even know about this before the president talked about it?

Dude, I bet president Bush is not well knowledged in the science of fuel cells. I do know quite a bit about fuel cells and I did research on them for school 2 years ago (Bush talked about it maybe 2-3 months ago). I doubt you know much about them so I consider you look into the subject because electrolysis is the future of energy, not solar or nuclear energy.

Powering cars with fuel cells would be way to expensive to be put into use. Fuel cells are a pipe dream and will eventually lose interest. We have a better chance with fusion that we do fuel cells.

[JudgeDredd]

At 4/24/03 12:13 AM, jimsween wrote:

At 4/24/03 12:02 AM, karasz wrote: ... is it really worth going through everyones posts and pointing it out???

yes it is. That is why this is a debate forum.

..time you got a new science teacher, or got a job for that matter ;)

Or do you think it's our job to show you how to use google.com...?

quote; "I have devoted my career to planetary
science since being a graduate student at Rice University during the Apollo
Program. During that period I was responsible for measuring solar wind gases
in the returned lunar soils. It was these measurments among others which led
the Fusion Technology Institute at the University of Wisconsin to suggest
commercial viability of mining helium-3 in the 21st century"

Jim Jordan, Director Earth & Space Resources Laboratory
Lamar University, Beaumont, Texas.

[Alejandro1]

At 4/24/03 12:51 AM, jimsween wrote: Powering cars with fuel cells would be way to expensive to be put into use. Fuel cells are a pipe dream and will eventually lose interest. We have a better chance with fusion that we do fuel cells.

Hold on there friend, fuel cells are expensive now but they will become relatively cheap when we start mass producing them. Anyway, I do like the idea of fusion energy because like fuel cells, it's powered by a limitless supply of deuterium (which we can get from the oceans), but we have yet to find a way to extract fusion energy efficently. Until this becomes possible, fuel cells will provide the energy for the near future.

[karasz]

i have a question...

1) about hydrogen/fusion cars... what happens if u get into an accident???

[DrxFeelgood]

1. NO DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Limit immigration
3. High taxes on anything foreign
4. Support hard working American workers
5. No emission laws for cars from 1964-1971
6. .50 cents a gallon for premium and 111 octane low lead ONLY for cars from 1954-1971
7. Support American companies to the fullest like GM, etc.
8. Boot any illegals trying to sneak into the US
9. If anyones got a beef with us, and pick a fight, we will obliterate them. HA HA HA HA!

[D2Kvirus]

1. Stop selling Israel more weapons. Sell better shit to the Palestinians at half the price, and order them into Jeruselem. See how Sharon likes the boot on the other foot.
2. Legalise pot. Feign surprise when the nation doesn't turn to Anarchy by the time The Simpsons is on.
3. Realise that funding the Weapons Program is a bad idea when it's harly likely copnsidering how often they'd get used, and instead use the trillions to fund, I don't know, Education and Welfare?
4. Legalise music downloading and file sharing. Why? To clear the Law Courts once in a while so some proper crimes can be solved.
5. Ban all F-List, burnt-out "celebrities" with a little notoriety from having their own RealTV shows. I'm looking at you, OJ...
6. A new Ammendment: You cannot stand for President if your brother happens to be a State Governor.
7. More national holidays: how can you expect a motivated workforce when you burn them out by their mid-30s?
8. Here's a novel idea - find a new energy source, rather than find another country with untapped oil resources to invade. By the way, George, Nigeria and the Ukraine have plenty, go fish.
9. Change the History curriculum so that it reports what actually happened.
10. Open all books on UFO activity - shut the nerds up, and admit there is life more intelligent than us that we haven't been killing in fishing nets, domesticating for centuries, or calling in exterminators over.
11. Introduce the Lard Tax: McDonalds burgers will now cost at least $8 for the "privilege" of feeling the side effects of them for two days. The coffee, however, will be immediatly outlawed.
12. Let's have both Lincoln and Washington Day - they were both important, why amalgamate them into one day? Hey, why stop there? Jefferson and FDR deserve their own days, don't they?
13. Change the Anthem. Man, does it SUCK! Still, at least they ditched "God Bless America" - so you fluked the Revolution, did you have to do such a shoddy rewrite of our anthem?
14. Sort out the advertisers during NFL games. College football is much better to watch, as it has flow, rather than being filler between ad breaks.
15. New concept: Baseball isn't the National Past-time, since Cuba regularly kick your asses at it at every Olympics. From now on, it will be American Football, as nobody else can understand it.
16. Noam Chomsky will no longer be so overrated. Coffee table intelectualism must be curbed. Bill Hicks, Jello Biafra, MICHAEL MOORE - study the masters (who don't happen to be a smug, arrogant ass).
17. The Oscars must be regulated, so they are no longer just a night of backslapping/scratching. Tell me this, how many of you thought A Beautiful Mind was any good? Exactly.
18. Televise the Independent Spirit Awards as well. The films on show there are MILES better.
19. Hey, how about some fuel economy? SUVs must be banned for starters.
20. Congress pays back the $1bn they paid to get a new dome however they can. How many of you citizens wants to have Jesse Helms wax their car? You can even belittle them in public if at least five voters are present.
21. Be nice to Cuba. Cigars, Havana Club, music; they've given nice stuff to you, yet you give them shit.
22. Canadians must no longer be allowed to record music: Avril, Nickleback, Bryan Adams, Celine Dion? In order for this to succeed, Devin Townsend will be made an honourary US Citizen, as will every bandmate he has that aren't Canadian.
23. The Native Americans are given back some of their land, the stuff that isn't inhospitable desert. How about Iowa?
24. Government will relocate to a new state every other month, in order to hear the gripes of ALL the people, rather an their own bank managers. No reason, just the thought of massive motorcades driving past indifferent Kentuckians is quite amusing.
25. You must learn irony or face the consequences.

[TheEvilOne]

Well, I would legalize weed, and replace affirmative action with laws requiring absolutely blind hiring/admissions policies (don't put the race question on the application, and hire strictly by qualifications). I'd try to reduce dependence on foreign oil by encouraging the development of alternative sources as well as increasing domestic oil production. On economic issues, I'd be pretty conservative, with tax cuts and a general lazzeiz-faire(sp?) approach (but with tax breaks and such for the aforementioned development of alternative energy). And foreign policy... well, let's just say, "and the War on Terror™ continues!" I'd listen to what other countries had to say, but in the end, I'd assert this country's status as a sovereign nation rather than let other countries tell us what to do. It might piss some people off, but sometimes doing the right thing pisses people off, as it did with Iraq.

[FUNKbrs]

At 4/23/03 11:22 PM, jimsween wrote: And let them set up an islamic state in Iraq?

theres nothing wrong with Islam, just terrorist extremist, no matter what religion they are.

I could grow pot in my backyard, why would I buy it.

because farming is work. you could say the same about tobacco

How do you pay for the people that already have it?

supposedly they already paid their share. And were talking about newborns not getting ssns, not people who are already in.

[NEMESiSZ]

At 4/23/03 10:23 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: step two: boost the economy by legalizing pot and taxing the living shit out of it so the price stays the same.

Raised taxes hurt the economy, the idea of taxation is to decrease the supply of money consumers have, to fight inflation.

So basically, you just said you want to legalize pot because you don't understand economics, but then again, I wouldn't expect some dumb pothead to anyway.

Go ahead, say something to defend your policy, you've already been proven wrong by someone who knows what he's talking about.

[Alejandro1]

At 4/24/03 01:32 AM, karasz wrote: i have a question...

1) about hydrogen/fusion cars... what happens if u get into an accident???

You would be ok because hydrogen/fusion cars store only a small amount of fuel at a time which is produced inside the car, so there would be a less chance of a fire or explosion during a crash than the gasoline combustion cars.

[bumcheekcity]

How would I run the UK... Right, here goes.

1) Improve the NHS - it is absolute shite in our country. Doctors wages would increase, and I would flood money in to buy hospital beds.

2) I would stop those bloody SATS tests. They must be the most irritating thing you go through in your school career.

3) Increase taxes by 2%, from the Upper classes.

4) Destroy every single one of our Nuclear weapons and put ENOURMOUS pressure on everyone else to do the same. I hope I'd have the help of France to do that.

5) Try to get more young people interested in politics.

[NEMESiSZ]

At 4/24/03 12:55 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: 4) Destroy every single one of our Nuclear weapons and put ENOURMOUS pressure on everyone else to do the same. I hope I'd have the help of France to do that.

Actually, you'd have the French army popping out of the Chunnel.

[karasz]

well i like all the people for responding to the question...

unfortunately none of it would actually happen...

oh well... politics isnt for everyone

[Slizor]

1) Improve the NHS - it is absolute shite in our country. Doctors wages would increase, and I would flood money in to buy hospital beds.

Dude......doctors wages are good, other staff though.....

What would I do as President of the United Kingdom :P

1) Declare a movement out of the country ban for a while(as long as it takes) and begin seizing assets

2) Nationalise all companies in the country

3) Pump much needed money into all social services

4) Declare Thatcher, Kissinger, Reagan and Bush (Jnr) as war criminals and start proceedings against them.

Ah.....so many things....so little time (there is also a list where I take a more liberal stance.)

[FUNKbrs]

At 4/24/03 11:52 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote:

At 4/23/03 10:23 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: step two: boost the economy by legalizing pot and taxing the living shit out of it so the price stays the same.

Raised taxes hurt the economy, the idea of taxation is to decrease the supply of money consumers have, to fight inflation.

So basically, you just said you want to legalize pot because you don't understand economics, but then again, I wouldn't expect some dumb pothead to anyway.

Go ahead, say something to defend your policy, you've already been proven wrong by someone who knows what he's talking about.

People all ready buy pot at extremely inflated prices through the black market, and these prices are pretty standard (yes, my pot head ass would know). If pot was legalized, it could be mass produced and the price would drop like a rock (supply and demand, basic stuff)and the taxes would make the price stay the same, only with an increased supply. so now the drug profits go to the government, and not to street gangs. People who dont smoke pot wont be affected, and the potheads are already ready paying through the nose anyway.

And who made you Almighty God of rebuttal, Nemmy? The same person who told you that taxing pot will effect taxes paid by non-pot smokers. If anything the potheads will take the tax burden off of investors (who presumably dont smoke pot because potheads are too stupid to invest in stocks), and that extra money will stimulate the economy, while the potheads will blow all their money on pot, like they always do.

[NEMESiSZ]

Seriously, you don't understand economics at all, don't act like you do. Learn the rules of aggregate supply and demand, and then try to push your retarded "policy" here.

[Jimsween]

At 4/24/03 12:54 AM, Judge_DREDD wrote:

..time you got a new science teacher, or got a job for that matter ;)

I would love to but since I'm only 13, unless your law passes.

quote; "I have devoted my career to planetary
science since being a graduate student at Rice University during the Apollo
Program. During that period I was responsible for measuring solar wind gases
in the returned lunar soils. It was these measurments among others which led
the Fusion Technology Institute at the University of Wisconsin to suggest
commercial viability of mining helium-3 in the 21st century"

Is this the moon rocks again? First of all, nothing on the moon can be considered ore because it would be impossible to profit from the materials. Why? Every rocket would have to be disposible because you couldnt manage a soft landing on the moon (rough terain and gravity is too differing from the earth's). So in order to do thise we would have to either make rockets on the moon or keep sending rockets with supplies until we can set up a landing strip. But the costs still wouldnt be worth the mining. And if you are talking about plasma or some other fuel, how do you propose we collect it without vaporising whatever vessle is getting it. Before you even say magnets, it would be nearly impossible to capture a large amount of gas using high powered gasses while still keeping the gas out of buring range of the shuttle. And lastly, how do you plan to solve this radiation problem? If there was ever a solar wind or a storm on the suns surface it would wipe out all the people on the moon and also render all the technology useless. The only solution, 18 feet of solid led.