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At 2/4/07 02:53 PM, Tanktunker wrote: Give me one more supposed great leader who killed millions of people and annexed countless countries while spreading malicious, hate filled propaganda and caused a huge war that cost the world more than it had ever had to pay before and I'll give you someone who you just made up.

i was gonna say Qin Shihuangdi but i don't know if he did all the propaganda stuff, plus he won his war. killed plenty of people though.

At 2/4/07 02:53 PM, Tanktunker wrote: Give me one more supposed great leader who killed millions of people and annexed countless countries while spreading malicious, hate filled propaganda and caused a huge war that cost the world more than it had ever had to pay before and I'll give you someone who you just made up.

That's what you do in a war, you kill lots of people and spread propaganda to promote yourself. How do you not get that?

It only cost mush more because the technology is more advanced nowadays. Look at William the Conquerer. He practically destroyed the whole of nothern England before he came to rule it.

I'm sure that if technology like they had in Hitler's era was available then, he (and many others) would have done more damage than what Hiter did.

At 2/4/07 03:00 PM, MidgetHobo wrote: That's what you do in a war, you kill lots of people and spread propaganda to promote yourself. :How do you not get that?

You kill 6 million Jews?
How does that contribute to the war effort?

At 2/4/07 03:03 PM, Tanktunker wrote: You kill 6 million Jews?
How does that contribute to the war effort?

He considered them 'the enemy within'.

In his mind, they had to be desposed of, even though that is the main mistake he made.

At 2/4/07 02:53 PM, Tanktunker wrote:

At 2/4/07 02:47 PM, MidgetHobo wrote:

At 2/4/07 02:39 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote: Wow, how do you just dismiss the Holocaust like that? Genocide and trying to take over the world kind of outweighs whatever good he did for Germany. And it was still a repressive regime. All he helped was Germany's industry, not the actual people.

Every great leader does irrational and sometimes inhumane things. It's life.

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Give me one more supposed great leader who killed millions of people and annexed countless countries while spreading malicious, hate filled propaganda and caused a huge war that cost the world more than it had ever had to pay before and I'll give you someone who you just made up.

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Julies Cesar, Emperor of ROME, soon to have lots of holes put in him by the Senate. Remember the phrase all Roads lead to ROME. They did . killing ,crucifying, in-fact spreading propaganda that they were the supreme race....[ in sort's] .And everyone else was a Barbarian or uncivilized, and deserved Death or to be there slave.

Like HITLER, CEASER Will live on in history longer than any of us, his greatness is only shadowed by his ability to inflict cruelty on mankind. witch most likely ensured his legacy and his downfall.

THERE are more but you get the drift, I hope.

At 2/4/07 03:59 PM, troubles1 wrote: Like HITLER, CEASER Will live on in history longer than any of us, his greatness is only shadowed by his ability to inflict cruelty on mankind. witch most likely ensured his legacy and his downfall.

There are many other leaders like that throughout history, but Ceasr is one of the most well known. Hitler wasn't as great as Ceaser, but he certainly did do good for Germany.

At 2/7/07 03:45 PM, MidgetHobo wrote: There are many other leaders like that throughout history, but Ceasr is one of the most well known. Hitler wasn't as great as Ceaser, but he certainly did do good for Germany.

Yes, but he also did a horrible job at not killing millions of people, I think that's a pretty big minus. He may have been a good leader, but I think killing millions of people out of hatred sort of makes good leadership skills irrelevant when it comes to deciding if someone is worthy of commendation.

At 2/4/07 03:59 PM, troubles1 wrote: Julies Cesar, Emperor of ROME, soon to have lots of holes put in him by the Senate. Remember the phrase all Roads lead to ROME. They did . killing ,crucifying, in-fact spreading propaganda that they were the supreme race....[ in sort's] .And everyone else was a Barbarian or uncivilized, and deserved Death or to be there slave.

Like HITLER, CEASER Will live on in history longer than any of us, his greatness is only shadowed by his ability to inflict cruelty on mankind. witch most likely ensured his legacy and his downfall.

THERE are more but you get the drift, I hope.

Oh Jesus! Just.....just stop.....right now.....you've slaughtered what I've worked hard to accomplish over the last 3 years in about 3 seconds.....

There are so many things wrong with the above statements I don't even know where to begin......

I'm tired, can you just call yourself an idiot this time so I can go to bed? Thank you.

At 2/7/07 07:35 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 2/4/07 03:59 PM, troubles1 wrote:

I'm tired, can you just call yourself an idiot this time so I can go to bed? Thank you.

Lol. Don't take it personal, I was not calling Cesar - Hitler.. And I did not compare there style or ideals of Government. Only that they both conquered , gained land, and along the way committed many atrocities. crucifying entire army's for shock value. And it was very common in that period of Roman history to have slaves , And The Romans did consider themselves to be the Pinnacle of what a civilised person should be. And every one else was beneath them. and therefor used as they see fit.

Therefore Both rulers will be remembered and in a way have immortality. they both did good and both did some very nasty things to the people they considered the enemy.

Sorry to get your panties in a bunch! But before you start calling people Idiots, Witch I was not aware You and I had a Issue with each other, Were we needed to call each other names to get our point's across. But from your statement I guess that is the case . Witch is sad considering That I actually had somewhat of respect for your debating skills , not that I always agreed with them .

Anyway take a deep breath, think about what was trying to be conveyed, and if it was not directed to you in the first place STFU. or at the very least take some premarin for the very nasty P.M.S. you obviously have, . Also might I suggest you switch the type of estrogen pill's you are currently taking for your up incoming surgery, they are making you very Bitchy.

Have you read Mein Kampf? The man is an idiot.

At 2/7/07 08:56 PM, packow wrote: Have you read Mein Kampf? The man is an idiot.

So it was pot luck that Germany became one of the world's most powerful forces in about 6 years?

Have you read 'History for Idiots'? Because you seem to judgde him quite easily on just the book he wrote while in prison.

At 2/8/07 11:19 AM, MidgetHobo wrote:

So it was pot luck that Germany became one of the world's most powerful forces in about 6 years?

Have you read 'History for Idiots'? Because you seem to judgde him quite easily on just the book he wrote while in prison.

Did you write it? I guess it was "just" the book where he consolidated his modus operandi and entire philosphy which he went by over the next fifteen years.
Anywwayz, you act like that Germany was still in ruins twenty years after WW1 and that the previous government did nothing
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The weimar republic will never be given the credit it deserves for pulling Germany out of the hardships of post WW1, because of the deppresion and since it was flawed in some basic areas.
However, before you say anything, the third reich was also very flawed and wasnt quite the long-lasting economic superpower it gave the impression of.
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But I guess it dosent matter anyway since all they did was start a massive world wide war, kill millions from minority groups and make life pretty crap for anyone under their rule, They can be forgiven.

Hitler was a great orator. He was not a great leader. Why?

Yes, the economy managed to go up, but that was only because Hitler insisted on testing the other European leaders in breaking the Treaty of Versailles and started up war production. Anybody could probably tell you that stepping up production in something like a war effort is going to be a major boost to the economy. It doesn't take greatness when the other leaders of other countries were basically pussies trying to appease in order to prevent another war.

He drove away talent with his eradication ideas against the Jews and other "undesirables". Insane amounts of scientific, military. and business talent all fled to other European states, and to the United States. He drove away and accepted the murder of millions of people who had been loyal to Germany and who held more of an identity as a German than as anything else. And one of those notables his policies forced into fleeing to the US? Albert Einstein. Hell, we were more than happy to take in someone like him.

He was a bunk military leader. Hitler wasn't a high ranking soldier when he was in the army, he was one of those soldiers who were in the trenches in his prime. He was one of those people who had an ego who felt that he could do better, when in reality it was his military advisors with the ideas that he implemented. And when he let them go--bad decisions came about. Invading Russia with minimal winter supplies since "it'd be quick": Yeah, that was Hitler. Failing to press on further in the Battle of Dunkirk, possibly due to personal feelings of respect towards Britain? Yeah, that was Hitler, losing out on a possible opportunity to majorly crush the Allies. Deciding to declare war on America after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor when really, if he hadn't, the US wouldn't have been able to turn the tide in Europe like it did (the US wasn't looking to get involved unless it had a reason, seeing as many people were still opposed to joining the war effort)? Yeah, that was Hitler.

Hitler's demonstrated little to be considered a great leader. He was a great orator, but that doesn't make for a great leader.

Like Clinton, only with resolve.

At 2/2/07 12:39 PM, MidgetHobo wrote: Yet another bullshit Hitler thread

Maybe you'd consider a career in neo-nazism

At 2/2/07 01:22 PM, TheRoyalEnglishman wrote: But he was an evil psycho. There's no question of that.

its so relative you know, if he won the war we wouldnt think that.

Hitler was a great man. The took the greatest military empire since the Roman Empire from ashes. I think the way to get around the 'lunatic' image of Hitler is to look at his regime as a politically National Socialist one, but rather as the strongest spiritual enlightenment since just before the Roman-Catholic empire. Hitler realised no two races can live side by side (e.g the Jewish - Arab terrorism in 'Israel'), and understood the Judaic perversion of the traditional Teutonic ways - and there was no better Paladin than Himmler and his SS Knights in the Order of the Death's Head. Hitler understood the threat of the N.W.O, despite it not being totally capable of happening in the first half of the 20th century. Now that we can get to the other side of the world in less than a day, and all connected by things like the internet, the Judeo influenced N.W.O or Z.O.G have the means to make the global Zionist state a reality. The fact that the key policy makers of the US Administration are proven to have come from Straussian teachings and strong Zionist relations (and being Jewish) does not come as a shock when we look at the USA's policy towards Israel. The trouble is fanatical evangelists are providing support for the N.W.O. Hitler understood this thread before anyone else, and in the words of the US President immediately after WWII when discussing the disgusting red bolshevik beast, "I fear we went to war against the wrong side."

I'd like to add a note here that, while I write this, I am not 'racist.' Racists are skinheads (as bad as emos and goths) and xenophobes. I am not scared of other races, I am just convinced, as did the Fuhrer, that we need to safeguard our blood and our traditions for if we let our guard down they will be all absorbed by the big Western Judaic sponge.

Hail Odjinn.

At 2/4/07 03:03 PM, Tanktunker wrote:

At 2/4/07 03:00 PM, MidgetHobo wrote: That's what you do in a war, you kill lots of people and spread propaganda to promote yourself. :How do you not get that?

You kill 6 million Jews?
How does that contribute to the war effort?

Are you Jewish? I assume from the Star of David in your signature.

Where did you get 6 million from? Jewish analysts in the Nuremberg Trials mentioned 500,000 - 2,000,000 Jewish deaths, because we can never be sure. It was only a Jewish Russian General that threw the sum 5,000,000 to the tabel. In the 70s that figure turned to 6,000,000, now I'm seeing in text books the figure of 7,000,000-8,000,000. The Red Cross posted a report post-war about the Jewish populations in European communities from before the war and then after, it never said how many died, only how many no longer reside on those locations. Considering millions of Jews moved the USA, the first figure that came up in the trial is most likely. Heoss, the commander of Auschwitz was proven to be mentally disabled just after the trial, and his boast of executing 3,000,000 people became null and void. The figures just stuck as it was convenient. It was logistically impossible for the Reich to systematically execute 4,000,000-5,000,000 people in the final years of the war (after the apparent Wansee Conference took place concerning the 'Final Solution'). I'm a military historian with the activities of the Waffen-SS being my special field. For example, the 2nd SS 'Das Reich' Division took 3 months to get from the eastern front to the western front - there were no trains and the allies had air superiority - they bombed anything that moved. but let's not forget the figure of 12,000,000-14,000,000 Jews murdered by Stalin never changed.

And before you asked the other bloke to name another person that did the same as Hitler, that's easy: Just name about half of the Roman Emperors.

i agree with the gentleman before me, antisemitism has been around forever, a point that he did not bring up was the fact that the jews were even blamed for the bubonic plague in europe in the late 18th century and were then put into buildings and burnt to death, antisemitism has been around long before hitler

At 2/9/07 08:02 PM, Totenkopforden wrote: I'd like to add a note here that, while I write this, I am not 'racist.' Racists are skinheads (as bad as emos and goths) and xenophobes. I am not scared of other races, I am just convinced, as did the Fuhrer, that we need to safeguard our blood and our traditions for if we let our guard down they will be all absorbed by the big Western Judaic sponge.

What do you need to protect your "blood and traditions" from? Logical change? Inevitable breeding? There is nothing to be proud of about being "white". It's merely a color. If you like your traditions, carry them on. No one is asking you to stop (unless they conflict with other people's rights, of course).

If Hitler convinced the Jews to join him rather than killing them he would most likely have won. Hitler fails.

At 2/9/07 08:14 PM, Totenkopforden wrote: Im not racist... Really!

Lets just pretend that this guy did not make a total racist,ass out of himself and get on with our lives.

Well, probably when the russians were raping 1/3 of the womn in Berlin and killing all the fighting age men they found, Hitler didn't seem like sucha nice guy....

At 2/4/07 12:58 PM, JakeHero wrote:

Let's see, he abhored capitalism: saying that jews used it to further their own gains and knock the people down. He embraced neo-pagan cults, eliminated gun ownership, and eliminated smoking. Sounds pretty liberal to me.

Liberals don't imbrace capitalism. He banned gun ownership so people wouldn't rise up. If he embraced capitalism, than it obviously was not socialism.

At 2/2/07 12:39 PM, MidgetHobo wrote: Adolf Hitler. A great man or an evil phsycopath?

Many people are very close minded about this subject, as they believe what society tells them to.

But let's think about it. Germany was in ruins after WW one; and after hyperinflation and the Wall Street Crash in America, only a great man could have built Germany up. Hitler managed to rise to power, and within 5 years had rebuilt Germany to a new height of greatness.

Now, this job would've been hard enough for any man, but to build the army up, take over their old land and sort out unemployment. But to do it in 5 years was ingenious. He was intelligent and very tacticul.

In my opinion, Adolf Hitler was arguably one of the greatest and influential leaders throughout the whole of the twentieth century.

What do you think?

Hitler was a coward. All he did was take a country in ruins....find a scapegoat within the country[Jews and Cotholics] and make up a big lie. He knew germans where desperate. I think this man was insane. He was evil. Oh yes...he was smart....but Greatness is a term reserved only for the Just.

At 2/9/07 11:01 PM, C-Damage wrote: If Hitler convinced the Jews to join him rather than killing them he would most likely have won. Hitler fails.

Sorry for double post, but all Hitler wanted was power. To get power he needed a scapegoat....and here was us Jews....outnumered by Germans. Hitler was an asshole....he could never win.

He would have been a great leader were it not for all those silly atrocities.

I'm gonna say he was great in a sense that he rebuilt Germany's economy and horrible in a sense that he drug everyone else down with him. Originally, the idea was to rebuild Germany and to filter out the "unpure" germans. This did not initially mean to KILL everyone who was different. They simply wanted a country of the people who grew with the country. Later on, Hitler mutated this concept with the mass extermination of millions of jews. Good idea, bad intentions. Adolph Hitler was a sociopath by every definition of the word. He got too power hungry and thought he could get away with more than he could acctually achieve.

At 2/10/07 12:55 PM, KemCab wrote: I think there are worse people to criticize, like Stalin or Mao. They killed people in the 10-30 million range too.

Perhaps, but did they target minorities as much?

Someone has to actually ask this? He helped mastermind the murder of millions of people, and start a war that killed millions more. His crimes far outweigh anything good he did in his lifetime.