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At 1/31/07 07:27 PM, shohaib wrote:

At 1/31/07 07:17 PM, stafffighter wrote: What about when God put out the fire on neds house after homer proclaimed him "joe church"?
Is that the episode where Lisa shows how it was all a coincidence

No it's the one where Homer creates his own religion. So while sayone one can find their own path it also argues toward a God

Or when God sent a lightning bolt to save todd flanders from the rapids
dont remember this one

Film festivle episode, critic crossover, old as fuck.

Or the several times Homer has met God?

Homer also meets many fictional characters

He's met them in daydreams or hallucinations. His meetings with God had been presented as neither. Like the time he predicted the rapture for instance. Theres also the more recent episode where Maude Flanders was looking down on her family from heaven along with God and Bob Hope

At 1/31/07 07:29 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/31/07 07:05 PM, shohaib wrote: thats not the point, you can control what you watch, but you cant control what your kids watch.

Errr--
So the kids have a gun to your head and say, "Mama, it's either Simpsons, or your life... bitch."

You know, there's a VARIETY of tools to prevent kids from watching TV programs... it's a matter of exploring your options. Even if its something so trivial as finding the Simpson's offensive because they're "anti-Christians."

There is something called a "V-Chip" which many parents who dont have time to watch T.V. with their kids, use today.
Unfortunatly this doesnt work for "The Simsposn", which is still rated G.

Heck, it's probably better that you watch TV with your kids and put everything in context because, sure... kids love adult movies. I did too. However, when I watch Bloodsport... I saw it with my dad, and after he saw me and my sister having ideas such as doing karate on each other, who know what he said in Spanish? "I'll kick your asses if you copy them and no TV forever..."

It worked.

Parents should watch T.V. with their kids today, but like i said before, people are to busy in this Century.

At 1/31/07 01:45 PM, shohaib wrote: The big difference between those two shows is that, "The Simpsons" is rated PG, South Park isnt.

It is rated PG because is satires culture in a much less vulgure style than South Park.

At 1/31/07 07:05 PM, shohaib wrote: thats not the point, you can control what you watch, but you cant control what your kids watch.

Umm... yes you can. We have V-chips, ways to block out channels to your television, even on very old models. You can control what your kids watch. Plus, I don't think the children are watching The Simpsons because of the anti-christian satire, more because they think Homer drunken behavior is funny.

At 1/31/07 06:57 PM, shohaib wrote:

This is about as effective as saying Grand Theft Auto makes kids want to go shoot hookers and rob banks.

No it isnt! how can you make that similarity, thats not even close.

i'm not so sure about that. your topic states the Simpsons brainwashes people as though they have no control over their own thoughts, in the same way people argue that video games make people violent.

At 1/31/07 08:43 PM, Freemind wrote: Umm... yes you can. We have V-chips, ways to block out channels to your television, even on very old models.

or you can do it the old fashioned way and show an interest in your children's upbringing and well being instead of blaming others for your own failings.

At 1/31/07 08:49 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 1/31/07 08:43 PM, Freemind wrote: Umm... yes you can. We have V-chips, ways to block out channels to your television, even on very old models.

or you can do it the old fashioned way and show an interest in your children's upbringing and well being instead of blaming others for your own failings.

Take an interest in my children's upbringing? I dunno. That might cut into protesting against irrelevent issues time.

At 1/31/07 08:47 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 1/31/07 06:57 PM, shohaib wrote:

This is about as effective as saying Grand Theft Auto makes kids want to go shoot hookers and rob banks.

No it isnt! how can you make that similarity, thats not even close.

i'm not so sure about that. your topic states the Simpsons brainwashes people as though they have no control over their own thoughts, in the same way people argue that video games make people violent.

i misunderstood, sorry.
yes!! Grand Teft Auto can influence young kids to use guns, and things of that nature.

Honestly, Matt Groening isn't attacking religion. He hasn't been taking lessons from Richard Dawkin. Hell, I don't even think South Park really attacks christianity. Especially since their episode of what would happen if everyone is atheist in the future.

Hell, the only show I can think of that does this is Drawn Together.

At 1/31/07 08:55 PM, Freemind wrote:

At 1/31/07 08:49 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 1/31/07 08:43 PM, Freemind wrote: Umm... yes you can. We have V-chips, ways to block out channels to your television, even on very old models.

or you can do it the old fashioned way and show an interest in your children's upbringing and well being instead of blaming others for your own failings.

Take an interest in my children's upbringing? I dunno. That might cut into protesting against irrelevent issues time.

i mentioned before that V-Chip wont work, The Simpsons is a PG cartoon, furthermore, most parents dont see any harm in it, because it is a cartoon.

Maybe you should move to a country like North Korea or China, since you seem to like influencing others beliefs onto your own and have government support.

At 1/31/07 09:02 PM, shohaib wrote: i mentioned before that V-Chip wont work, The Simpsons is a PG cartoon, furthermore, most parents dont see any harm in it, because it is a cartoon.

You can still block out certain channels when you are not home with the kids.

Alot of the new Simpsons are also brainwashing people against the military. The show is going the way of the beastie boys, They have become political at the expense of the original product which was funny and creative, now dull, adn agrivating.

At 1/31/07 09:11 PM, Freemind wrote:

At 1/31/07 09:02 PM, shohaib wrote: i mentioned before that V-Chip wont work, The Simpsons is a PG cartoon, furthermore, most parents dont see any harm in it, because it is a cartoon.

You can still block out certain channels when you are not home with the kids.

or as i was trying to get at which is not to use your TV or other gadgets as babysitting devices or when using them do something called supervision.

Isn't Matt Groening a Methodist?

At 1/31/07 11:51 PM, SilentProtagonist wrote: Isn't Matt Groening a Methodist?

I dont think he writes every episode though.

First of all, you can't brainwash someone by simply presenting ideas. Second, the PG and up rating indicates that parents should know what their spawn are watching. Third, who cares? It's a stupid animated show that ceased to be character-driven when they ran out of ideas. Fourth, it's on Fox, the same company that employs Hannity and O'Reilly. I think the two of them are enough to counter any satire that the Simpsons writers may come up with.

People still watch The Simpsons? It hasn't been funny since 2000...

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At 2/1/07 04:06 AM, plagueofthings wrote: First of all, you can't brainwash someone by simply presenting ideas.

no you cant, but Matt Groening does more then that.
the episode Creationism vs. Evolution is a perfect example.
Everytime Creationism was presented, there was always a joke attampting to make Creationism look stupid. (Ralph getting a question right on Creationism, Lisa getting a question wrong)
However there was no jokes when Evolution was presented.

What would be funny about Lisa getting every answer right every time though? That's her spiel, being one-upped by somebody, usually Bart or Martin Prince. Her character is built around being wrong, unless she's saving the day in a Homer-specific episode. Ya know?

I think you assume the series is about more than simple entertainment.

At 2/1/07 11:08 AM, LazyDrunk wrote: What would be funny about Lisa getting every answer right every time though? That's her spiel, being one-upped by somebody, usually Bart or Martin Prince. Her character is built around being wrong, unless she's saving the day in a Homer-specific episode. Ya know?

i dont remember her being wrong. Remember the episode where they find a skeleton, and everyone believes its an angel. Lisa is the only one who doesnt think its an angel, and she happens to be right in the ending. I personally belief Matt Groening made Lisa right to show his views.

I think you assume the series is about more than simple entertainment.

im not saying Matt Groening made the simpsons for brainwashing. But lately he has put more and more of his agnostic views in his cartoons. Futurama is a better example, every second episode makes fun of religion.

At 2/1/07 11:04 AM, shohaib wrote:

At 2/1/07 04:06 AM, plagueofthings wrote: First of all, you can't brainwash someone by simply presenting ideas.

no you cant, but Matt Groening does more then that.
the episode Creationism vs. Evolution is a perfect example.
Everytime Creationism was presented, there was always a joke attampting to make Creationism look stupid. (Ralph getting a question right on Creationism, Lisa getting a question wrong)
However there was no jokes when Evolution was presented.

Maybe that's because creationism is a crackpot joke of a theory wheras evolution is a scientific theory? Just because someone sees creationism as the big steaming pile of bullshit that it is, doesn't mean he's not christian, doesn't even mean he's not religious, and definitely is no characteristic of agnosticism.

Creationism isn't even intrinsically christian, see .

I've probably been caught in an idiot trap, because you can't possibly be serious about this. Then again, human stupidity is infinite...

At 2/1/07 12:06 PM, Togukawa wrote:

Maybe that's because creationism is a crackpot joke of a theory wheras evolution is a scientific theory? Just because someone sees creationism as the big steaming pile of bullshit that it is, doesn't mean he's not christian, doesn't even mean he's not religious, and definitely is no characteristic of agnosticism.

Creationism isn't even intrinsically christian, see .

I've probably been caught in an idiot trap, because you can't possibly be serious about this. Then again, human stupidity is infinite...

i dont want to go further away from the topic, but what youre saying is someone can be religious and non-religious at the same time. do you believe in that theory you presented?

I'm saying believing in something completely ridiculous like creationism is not a prerequisite for being religious.

Whateven way you want to look at it, you have to admit the simpsons has run its course. They started off as the short cartoon, where homer was actually smart, and got dumber to the point of base entertainment.
Then it got filled with messages, thinly veiled or not.
And now they are trying to make it appeal more to adults, to keep competition with family guy.

Let it die... the situations are getting stupid.

Make more Futurama! Implausability is a Futurama writers best friend!

...So is it wrong to ask questions about the world?

At 2/2/07 09:16 PM, Reverend-Kyle wrote: ...So is it wrong to ask questions about the world?

Only if you don't give the christian answer to them. It's dangerous for kids to be confronted with more than one answer. Good grief, they could make up their own mind about spiritual issues. Clearly faith and belief are purest when never questioned.

The christian belief is obviously the only belief with the correct answers, but it takes a well indoctrinated adult to see just how obviously all other answers are wrong.

Pushing the Holy Infallible Word of the Bible as answer to all questions is perfectly normal, it's presenting alternatives to the established religion's answers that is brainwashing.

grow up

Wait so you mean they're being brainwashed into believing tangible ideas and scientific fact by a cartoon instead of being brainwashed and indoctrinated into believing in an invisible all knowing figure that will spank you eternally if your bad by their parents?

OH DEAR GOD!!!

At 2/3/07 06:53 AM, Makaio wrote: Wait so you mean they're being brainwashed into believing tangible ideas and scientific fact by a cartoon instead of being brainwashed and indoctrinated into believing in an invisible all knowing figure that will spank you eternally if your bad by their parents?

OH DEAR GOD!!!

Here is an example of one kid who was brainwashed by the Simpsons.