State of the Union

[Truth]

Tuesday, January 23, 2007

If someone could please translate what bush is going to say tonight in English.
Help is most appreciated.

[random8982]

At 1/23/07 02:41 PM, shohaib wrote: Tuesday, January 23, 2007

If someone could please translate what bush is going to say tonight in English.
Help is most appreciated.

Bush: These immigrants are people who come to the country and economically transmute our nation into something derrived of the mass proportions based around the industries.

Translation: I don't know if those Mexicans are good or bad, but I sure do like burritos.

[ReiperX]

Reading over what he has planned to say:

Wants to reduce gas consumption by 20% in the future. Good idea, depending on how he plans on implementing it I may or may not support this idea.

Balance budget by 2012. I'd like to seriously see how this is going to happen.

Make health insurance taxable income for the first $15,000. First, who pays more than 15k a year in health insurance? Second, by making it taxable income it is punishing people who have health coverage, especially single fathers who do not have custody. This makes it where not only do they pay child support, have to keep health coverage on their child, and not 1 dime of that is a tax deduction if it all goes through. I am curious on his plans on what that money is suppose to go to and help the nation, although I really do not like this idea currently, there is a small chance that I'll support it depending on the response.

[random8982]

Honestly, I'm more interested to see how the new democratic Congress is going to react. The rebuttle afterwards is going to be very interesting.

[ReiperX]

At 1/23/07 03:27 PM, random8982 wrote: Honestly, I'm more interested to see how the new democratic Congress is going to react. The rebuttle afterwards is going to be very interesting.

Its not only the Democratic response he has to worry bout, with the President's approval rating in the low to mid 30's, and many Republican Presidential hopefuls setting up their election runs, he also has to worry about if his own part will support some of his things he wants to pass. Because many Republicans are distancing themselves from him as well.

[random8982]

At 1/23/07 03:31 PM, ReiperX wrote:

with the President's approval rating in the low to mid 30's...

23% last time i checked :)

and many Republican Presidential hopefuls setting up their election runs, he also has to worry about if his own part will support some of his things he wants to pass. Because many Republicans are distancing themselves from him as well.

I really doubt anything Bush can do at this point will save the Republicans from having their assed handed to them next election. Especially with guys like Obama and the Governor of New Mexico (I can't remember his name) on the democratic side. I don't even know one republican candidate for the presidency right now but the entire country is up in arms about those democrats. It seems Bush is more concerned about his 'legacy' right now and his popularity ratings. I mean look at what he's addressing...he wants to cut gas emmissions by increasing the fleet rating of automobiles in the United States. He's pretty much denied that global warming even exists over the past 7 years. The fact that it may help restore faith in the Republican Party for some people and help Rep. presidential hopefuls is just a side effect of what I feel he's really shooting for.

[ReiperX]

http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/23/pf/taxes/heal th_proposal_effect/index.htm?cnn=yes

BTW the health care issue is explained a little more in detail here. Reading it, it isn't so bad really, and it's something that I could definately do. I messed up the initial post on the taxes, I guess I misread the 15k part.

[Memorize]

At 1/23/07 03:39 PM, random8982 wrote:

23% last time i checked :)

2 days ago it was 32% on NBC.

[Bolo]

At 1/23/07 05:52 PM, Experimental wrote:

At 1/23/07 03:39 PM, random8982 wrote:

23% last time i checked :)

2 days ago it was 32% on NBC.

CBS 1/18-21/07 28%

[Memorize]

At 1/23/07 08:33 PM, Bolo wrote:

CBS 1/18-21/07 28%

Wow, that was pointless. Now wasn't it?

[cellardoor6]

At 1/23/07 03:27 PM, random8982 wrote: Honestly, I'm more interested to see how the new democratic Congress is going to react. The rebuttle afterwards is going to be very interesting.

It's not interesting. It will just consist of the typical Democrat "fuck anything Bush does" tactic that revolves around political maneuvering, not actual issues.

No matter what the President says, Democrats will oppose it and make it seem as if its all awful no matter what, they will only emphasize the bad side of things for political reasons while disregarding everything else.

Everything Democrats do is a scandalous, calculating political ploy. Then the Liberal-controlled Media will obviously be co conspirators and the American public, branwashed by the steady stream of democratic propaganda bullshit will automatically become opposed to Bush's plans without seeing the facts.

Fuck Democrats.

You realize that they already have made up their mind that ANYTHING Bush does is automatically going to be opposed regardless of the effect it actually has on the country?

[Truth]

so far, just 10 minutes of clapping

[CourtesyFlush]

At 1/23/07 09:12 PM, shohaib wrote: so far, just 10 minutes of clapping

i hate it when they clap every 2 minutes, whos with me?

[TNT]

I saw the speach, he did pretty good.

[cellardoor6]

Ok its over.

I'd say President Bush did pretty good. Everything he said seemed pretty fucking reasonable.

I'm going to laugh at the petty attempts by the Democrats to demonize Bush's proposals. All while they propose no alternatives like disgruntled little nitwits that they are.

And for fuck sake did anyone see what Keith Obermann had to say right after the speech? He completely took everything out of context and suggested that Bush's brief mention of Shiite insurgent affiliate with Iran was 'deceive the American people into being content with a possible invasion'. Moron.

[packow]

I'd say the guy's really turned himself around on alot of issues, most notably the energy and glabal warming questions.

He seems almost like a new Bush. Let's just hope that a new Iraq plan will wrap things up for good.

[cellardoor6]

At 1/23/07 10:35 PM, packow wrote: I'd say the guy's really turned himself around on alot of issues, most notably the energy and glabal warming questions.

Not really actually. Bush's policies regarding energy and global warming have been the same, its just that his position is tainted by the liberal media that tries to discredit anything that Bush does.

See, a lot of American people probably feel good about what Bush said today. But this feeling will go away after a few weeks of being bombarded with the bullshit that comes out of liberal entertainers and news people such as Chris Matthews, Jack Cafferty, Keith Obermann, John Stewart, and so forth.

He seems almost like a new Bush. Let's just hope that a new Iraq plan will wrap things up for good.

It doesn't matter how good the Iraq plan is, it only matters how it is interpreted through the media then presented to the world.

Even if Democrats were somehow convinced that it would work, they would still oppose it for political gain.

[packow]

I don't understand how... his position on the issues were incredibly clear. I've never really liked him, but after watching him tonight I felt really good about his policies.

But up until recently, hasn't he been more or less denying Global Warming and putting off the alternate fuel question?

Either way, I don't think I've ever had more respect for him then I did tonight.

[cellardoor6]

At 1/23/07 11:28 PM, packow wrote: I don't understand how... his position on the issues were incredibly clear. I've never really liked him, but after watching him tonight I felt really good about his policies.

His approval ratings always go up a little bit after his State of the Union addresses. When people actually hear what his own take on his policies is, they tend to relate to it and understand.

Alot of people probably feel good about his policies for now. But like I said before, that will go away after the liberal media have their time to destroy what he said, taint it, and take it out of context for their political agenda.

But up until recently, hasn't he been more or less denying Global Warming and putting off the alternate fuel question?

No. In fact he has never denied it, and has been a champion of alternative fuels since before he was president.

Either way, I don't think I've ever had more respect for him then I did tonight.

People tend to stop hating Bush when they actually learn the facts or hear what he actually has to say.

I'm sure your previous opinion of Bush revolved around what you HEARD about him from various sources. But don't feel bad, because I'd say 90% of people that dislike Bush only do because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about and only get their information from biased sources.

For example, I used to hate Bush because of what I was told in school and because it was the 'cool' thing to do. I was indoctrinated with the idea that Bush was just wrong, regardless of the context through the bullshit that my teachers professed. People almost NEVER get the full story and that is what leads to the typical 'lolz Bush sucks' that you hear from misguided children that only hate Bush because they are told to do by pop culture icons.

[Imperator]

For example, I used to hate Bush because of what I was told in school and because it was the 'cool' thing to do. I was indoctrinated with the idea that Bush was just wrong, regardless of the context through the bullshit that my teachers professed. People almost NEVER get the full story and that is what leads to the typical 'lolz Bush sucks' that you hear from misguided children that only hate Bush because they are told to do by pop culture icons.

Ditto. Then I got into history, and realized that there were very few notable leaders who did lost of good that were well liked throughout their careers.

And being a President myself (of a Uni club), I know that popularity don't mean jack squat. Frankly, my guess is that he's gotten more done than will ever be publicly realized......at least that's my HOPE, because I'm in the same boat. Hours and hours of behind the scenes work, and all I get are complaints......ah well....the buck stops here, or as I like to say, "Welcome to the complaint dept. Please take a number, and shove your thumb up your ass".

[Bolo]

Congratulations George W. Bush.

Thanks for all your hard work defending the American people from the "Islamo-Fascists"

It really is too bad, though, that you're so absorbed with self-image and the way history will perceive you, that you try to shift attention off the issue that's bringing your poll numbers down, instead of being a man and confronting it head-on.

Now you're spewing this guff about protecting the environment (which Dems have been espousing for years, and which the president has steadfastly ignored for most of his first two terms). Honestly, everyone knows you're insincere at this point, you're just trying to improve the way you'll be perceived in a few decades. If you had made these sorts of "advances" towards protecting the environment, oh, say, 5 YEARS AGO maybe you wouldn't be seen as an oil-drilling, anti-environment kingpin that you are today. There's little that can be done, now, in combatting this image of good ol' Georgie Boy standing on an Alaskan oil field with dead seals at his feet.

Let's face it: we fucked up Iraq. There may not be very many Americans dead, but in the initial surge, we didn't send in enough troops. We didn't strike the quick blow that we were expecting, and now poor civilians are living in fear that they meet an untimely end in one of the following ways:

A.) Caught in the crossfire of Americans and insurgency
B.) Executed by a Shi'ite militia
C.) Executed by a Sunni militia
D.) Blown up by an I.E.D.
E.) Tortured to death by wayward American soldiers (å la Abu Ghraib)

The list could go on, but that's not the point. How do you fight an enemy that wears civilian clothes? That uses guerilla tactics? That plants a bomb in a dead body, then leaves? Military force has not done the trick, as has been obviously shown time and time again. George: your intentions were noble, and yeah, you deposed a dictator, but raelly, the only way that you can rid the city of Baghdad of all its insurgent forces is to nuke it.

Obviously, simply blowing up the entire of Baghdad is most certainly NOT acceptable under any circumstances, as the number of civilian deaths would outnumber the amount of insurgent deaths by a ratio of close to 500:1. It's time to gracefully leave. We've done all we can in this godforsaken country—any longer, and it's just a waste of both American and Iraqi lives.

So in conclusion, Mr. President, it's too late for you to salvage your administration. Let's just hope it's not too late for America to do the same.

[cellardoor6]

At 1/24/07 01:47 AM, Bolo wrote: Blah blah blah

Nice copy and paste you stupid douchebag.

[Bolo]

At 1/24/07 02:10 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 1/24/07 01:47 AM, Bolo wrote: Blah blah blah

Nice copy and paste you stupid douchebag.

How the fuck is that a copy paste, you stupid douchebag?

I wrote it myself, idiot.

>:(

[fli]

"Hey guys, give war a chance..."

Summed up.

[BrooklynBrett]

A great speech tonight. I'd love to hear a REAL explaination of an argument against what the President outlined tonight. Not Webb's version, and not the rantings of the "i hate bush" crowd. I thought his address tonight was excellent. Having to watch Nancy Pelosi count to "two one thousand" when standing to applaud was annoying, though.

[bcdemon]

Don't care to waste that kind of time listening to Bushyboy, but I just read Reiper link to the health care changes, seems quite decent at face value. I would have to figure it out with my tax situation to see if it's really worth it (not that it really matters a Nuck anyway). Nice to see he finally 'flip-flopped' on climate change and global warming though. Who knows, maybe this will start a continuous rise in his approval ratings (providing he doesn't invade some country).

[CourtesyFlush]

At 1/24/07 09:07 AM, bcdemon wrote: Don't care to waste that kind of time listening to Bushyboy, but I just read Reiper link to the health care changes, seems quite decent at face value. I would have to figure it out with my tax situation to see if it's really worth it (not that it really matters a Nuck anyway). Nice to see he finally 'flip-flopped' on climate change and global warming though. Who knows, maybe this will start a continuous rise in his approval ratings (providing he doesn't invade some country).

yeah, im surprised he mentioned anything about global warming, i thought he didnt care about the future. still not sold about the continuation in Iraq; he didnt explain enough about that. just mentioned people or nations who agreed with him

[Dragonman855]

Sorry, I don't speak dumbass.

[Draconias]

At 1/24/07 01:06 PM, CourtesyFlush wrote: yeah, im surprised he mentioned anything about global warming, i thought he didnt care about the future. still not sold about the continuation in Iraq; he didnt explain enough about that. just mentioned people or nations who agreed with him

As far as I've seen, he's never been one of hte Anti-Global Warming people; he has always tried to push alternate fuels and similar things heavily, but he has rejected plans such as the Kyoto Treaty to simply cripple our current systems to "deal" with the problem. Note that many of the countries who did sign that treaty are now considering qutting becuase of the damage it is doing.

The Iraq plan didn't get as much attention because he already introduced the idea in full detail in an independent speech earlier this month. The State of the Union simply wasn't the place to provide more details.

[Memorize]

At 1/24/07 09:07 AM, bcdemon wrote: Don't care to waste that kind of time listening to Bushyboy, but I just read Reiper link to the health care changes, seems quite decent at face value. I would have to figure it out with my tax situation to see if it's really worth it (not that it really matters a Nuck anyway). Nice to see he finally 'flip-flopped' on climate change and global warming though.

They've been his position this entire time. This is what happens you let the media get to you.