Debating religion and science.

Stop it. Just everyone as a whole should stop trying to mix the two. It's like mixing oil and water, except by oil and water I mean shut the fuck up about it.

No one cares about the obvious logical falicies in every spiritual text. No one cares about how science can't prove X, Y, and Z. It doesn't matter. It's absolutely stupid. I'm not a religious man, nor do I give a shit about what science thinks on the creations of the universe. We are here, I am alive, I am typing this out and being pissed that people actually give a shit about whether or not some good took a shit and out plopped dark matter and then the world spun around for eons and the fucking cookie monster took a bite out of this god shit and everything exploded. It doesn't matter.

Stop acting like there is going to be a right answer. You science fucks know that the probability of ANYONE actually being right is so slim to none that you look stupid arguing just as a whole.

You religious fucks know that no matter what you say, how much you lie about it, how much you fake being a devout religious fanatic, it won't make anything you say more true. You could go on for days, quote scripture for years, even write a fucking thesus paper on how much fish Jesus ate while Moses was squat thrusting out miracles. None of that matters.

I will say this though. I'm going to lean more towards new ideas and reasonings MORE than I will some 5,000+ year old ideas and reasonings. JUST BECAUSE IT'S OLD DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. Also, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NEW DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.

Infact, anyone with any sort of awesome science background would know that there are an infinite number of universes, each with an infinite number of possibilities in each one. For anyone to say "THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENED" in this universe is taking a shit on logic and reason.

What I ask of everyone is simple: Use logic and reason while shutting the fuck up about beliefs. I don't care about Pascal's Wager, I don't care about the Big Bang. All I care about is my new car I'm buying in an hour as well as my band that has practice tommorow. Nothing else matters.

[Peter-II]

At 1/23/07 08:53 AM, CrimsonEdge wrote: I'm not a religious man, nor do I give a shit about what science thinks on the creations of the universe.

Yet some people do. Who are you to tell people what to and what not to discuss?

We are here, I am alive

Well no shit hon. Did you work that one out all by yourself?

I am typing this out and being pissed that people actually give a shit about whether or not some good took a shit and out plopped dark matter and then the world spun around for eons and the fucking cookie monster took a bite out of this god shit and everything exploded. It doesn't matter.

What?

Stop acting like there is going to be a right answer. You science fucks know that the probability of ANYONE actually being right is so slim to none that you look stupid arguing just as a whole.

Haha, there is some mathematical rule that says that nobody is going to be right about anything, ever?

Also, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NEW DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.

I assume that by this you mean that current scientific progress isn't necessarily correct because it discusses things that have been recently discovered. You're right, but as science progresses, it gets continually corrected, thus making current theories more and more valid.

Infact, anyone with any sort of awesome science background would know that there are an infinite number of universes, each with an infinite number of possibilities in each one.

Multiverse theory is just a speculation, and is based on no evidence whatsoever.

For anyone to say "THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENED" in this universe is taking a shit on logic and reason.

Not only does that not follow, but for you to say that multiverse theory is indisputably correct and an established fact is taking a shit on logic and reason.

What I ask of everyone is simple: Use logic and reason while shutting the fuck up about beliefs. I don't care about Pascal's Wager, I don't care about the Big Bang. All I care about is my new car I'm buying in an hour as well as my band that has practice tommorow. Nothing else matters.

Yet other people care. You don't have to read "science vs. religion" topics if you don't want to. You are not in some way obliged to look at things which piss you off. Hey, guess what else no-one cares about? The fact that you don't care about pascal's wager or the big bang! Aren't word games fun?

And before you say it, I grow tiresome of those kind of topics too, but damn is it fun to knock some sense into religious fundamentalists.

[Peter-II]

At 1/23/07 04:07 PM, intrinsik2 wrote: The implication of which is that believing in science becomes more and more valid. The belief in science is just as valid and just as invalid as a belief in anything else. A belief in the absolute does not in turn make the belief itself absolute, however it serves the believer to define his/her belief as absolute.

How is science even a belief? The only "belief" I have in science is that the conclusions it draws are as valid as they can be given our current knowledge and understanding of the topics involved, and the current quality of the equipment being used to conduct experiments.

Believe it or not, thinking that science draws better conclusions than religion is not equivalent to thinking that religion draws better conclusions than science. They draw different kinds of conclusions, but the point remains.

[MortalWound]

please, please please, don't continue on with this. It'll just trun it into another God exists, Science disproves it thread.

You should have placed all you discontent on the other Science VS. religion thread. The simple truth is that there will always be debate over it and no side can ever be truely right. So shut up about the topic and quit making topics that flame the original topic.

[Peter-II]

At 1/23/07 04:44 PM, intrinsik2 wrote:

At 1/23/07 04:16 PM, Peter-II wrote: How is science even a belief?

Science in itself is not a belief. I never said it was.

Okay, allow me to rephrase. You said that a belief in the validity of science is equivalent to believing in the validity of "anything else", for instance, a religion, that the world is going to end in a few seconds, or that the earth is flat. I think that that notion is simply false.

And… that you think science takes precedence over religion… that’s a belief, no matter how many scientific facts you try to justify it with, it is the outcome of judging that the truth lies ultimately within science.

Please explain what you mean by "precedence" in this context. Yes, I know what the word means, but it isn't absolutely clear to me what you're trying to say here.

A belief is the appropriation and application of what we deem to be the ‘truth.’

Actually, a belief is "confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof". Unfortunately, thinking that scientific observations in controlled environments can be used to draw valid conclusions about the natural world and how it works cannot be compared to believing in "anything else" as you put it.

Better is subjective. If you meant more accurate, then I’d agree.

conclusions than religion is not equivalent to thinking that religion draws better conclusions than science.

If you’re using the word better, it is.

Now you're just meaninglessly picking on semantics. Of course I meant more accurate, how on earth could you have thought otherwise?

They draw different kinds of conclusions, but the point remains.

But the belief in either kind of conclusion draws from similar (if not the same) psychological motivations.

Psychological motivations have nothing to do with it. I can believe that the earth is flat simply for the sake of believing it, or I can believe (though I would prefer the term know) that the earth is more of an ellipsoid because of countless proofs and evidences for it being so. They are not equivalent, and they cannot be compared; there is more reason for believing that the earth is an ellipsoid / oblate spheroid than there is for believing the earth is flat.

[hippylad]

ok here are the 2 million dollar questions

1. if god is all powerful and makes everything why does he always need money
2. if science is right why cant they control radiation
3. if god is everywhere wouldnt that make him a pervert( bathroom)
4.maybe science lies like clinton when they say no they mean yes
5. who really gives a shit wheter or not god exist if so hes no help to us

and i conbclude with this all you stupid fuckers who pray to jesus or god for the stupid things like a race or good cooking blessing thy food shut the fuck up i save my prayers for the important things ( please let this nuke work etc.)
so god dont care about me i dont care about him he can go watch someone else shit scince can also go watch someone else take a shit(fukin cameras)

[MindControlFun]

At 1/23/07 07:04 PM, hippylad wrote: 1. if god is all powerful and makes everything why does he always need money

God doesn't need money. Churches need money, they get to pay taxes, too.

2. if science is right why cant they control radiation

Was science wrong when the first microscope was developed? No, but did they know about DNA? No. Has it ever dawned on you that maybe we just don't know how yet?

3. if god is everywhere wouldnt that make him a pervert( bathroom)

You're a fucking idiot. God is an entity, not a person. Entities don't look at your peepee.

4.maybe science lies like clinton when they say no they mean yes

Maybe they do.

5. who really gives a shit wheter or not god exist if so hes no help to us

Have you died before and come back to life to give proof that there either is a heaven or not? didn't think so. shut up.

and i conbclude with this all you stupid fuckers who pray to jesus or god for the stupid things like a race or good cooking blessing thy food shut the fuck up i save my prayers for the important things ( please let this nuke work etc.)

you know, it's people like you who think they know everything that really mess up the arguments of us who at least try to learn.