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Hell paradox 2007-01-18 22:22:39 Reply

I saw someone post a YHWH paradox, and it reminded me of one that logically proves Hell is a paradox. This applies only to Christianity, as it is the only religion I know of that speak of eternal damnation.

1) According to the Bible, YHWH is just and merciful
2) Therefore, YHWH will not do something unjust

Ok, got that covered. Now let's go on to human sin.

1) A human life is finite
2) If a human's life is finite, there is only a finite amount of sin a human can commit.
Can anyone see where I'm going with this yet? I'll be covering Hell next

1) Hell is eternal
2) Hell is punishment for sins

Ok, done with all that. Let's be done with it.

1) A human sins without accepting Jesus, and is sent to Hell for eternity
2) Eternal punishment is not justice for a finite amount of sins
3) God is just, therefore he will not let anyone be damned in Hell for eternity

Yay! See what I did there?

1) Do whatever you want, God forgives you!


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Response to Hell paradox 2007-01-18 22:25:08 Reply

At 1/18/07 10:22 PM, YHWH wrote:
3) God is just, therefore he will not let anyone be damned in Hell for eternity

Thats where one of your many errors comes in.

You feel that God damms us, when we mearly damm ourselves.

Thats like saying a judge damms a man to jail for murder, when it is his murder that sent him there.


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Between the motion And the act, Falls the Shadow
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Response to Hell paradox 2007-01-18 22:29:56 Reply

Well, I not studying theology, but I believe it says in Bible is one sin is all it takes to permanently seperate a man from God, because God is supremely holy and after that sin the man would not be, thus the man has no place to stand before a supremely holy being when he does not meet the same criteria.


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Response to Hell paradox 2007-01-18 22:46:40 Reply

At 1/18/07 10:22 PM, YHWH wrote: I saw someone post a YHWH paradox, and it reminded me of one that logically proves Hell is a paradox. This applies only to Christianity, as it is the only religion I know of that speak of eternal damnation.

Your 'paradox' is better thought out than the God one atleast,... that one is to illogical to respond to.

1) According to the Bible, YHWH is just and merciful
2) Therefore, YHWH will not do something unjust

Indeed.

Ok, got that covered. Now let's go on to human sin.

1) A human life is finite

Yes.

2) If a human's life is finite, there is only a finite amount of sin a human can commit.

I guess thats true, but the number of sins is irrelevant.

Can anyone see where I'm going with this yet? I'll be covering Hell next

1) Hell is eternal
2) Hell is punishment for sins

Ok, done with all that. Let's be done with it.

1) A human sins without accepting Jesus, and is sent to Hell for eternity
2) Eternal punishment is not justice for a finite amount of sins

Your making an argument out of something that is irrelevant to the whole concept of Hell. Number of sins is irrelevant. Besides, Mark 3:29 says
"But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
The subtle arguments of a finite life and number can't cancel out the consequence of a sin.

3) God is just, therefore he will not let anyone be damned in Hell for eternity

Justice. It would be unust to condemn someone if they did not have foreknowledge it was wrong yes? That is why we have a written law in society, not just so justice can be served, but also to ensure that the punishment is equal to the crime. That is why the symbol of justice is the scale.
Gos is extra Just because He has already told you the punishment, AND the way to be forgiven of all your sins, finite or infinite.
John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

Again, one can not argue that it is unjust to be punished of something they were already fully aware of the consequence AND the punishment thereof.
Number of sins is just a motive of yours, it doesn't create a paradox at all.

Yay! See what I did there?

1) Do whatever you want, God forgives you!

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

**Since you said this was just applying to Christianity I don't wanna hear any complaints about just using the Bible.

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Response to Hell paradox 2007-01-18 22:56:21 Reply

afliXion your argument would work only if "God" had given proof that the bible is the correct law book to go by. However in reality its more like a judge allowing 100 different versions of the laws on drinking to be put out and not telling you wich one is the right one till you are headed to jail.


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Response to Hell paradox 2007-01-18 23:53:23 Reply

At 1/18/07 10:25 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:
At 1/18/07 10:22 PM, YHWH wrote:
3) God is just, therefore he will not let anyone be damned in Hell for eternity
Thats where one of your many errors comes in.

You feel that God damms us, when we mearly damm ourselves.

Thats like saying a judge damms a man to jail for murder, when it is his murder that sent him there.

I disagree. It's more akin to a judge damning a man to life in prison (because I don't feel like saying anything too graphic) for poking somebody on the shoulder. And that's not a very good analogy, when you think about a human's life and the course of eternity. I don't think anyone I've heard of deserves eternal damnation for what they've done over the course of less than two centuries. What purpose does it serve? I think Hell is just a way for religions to scare people into following them.

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Response to Hell paradox 2007-01-19 16:17:41 Reply

At 1/18/07 11:53 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote: I think Hell is just a way for religions to scare people into following them.

I agree with you. I doubt near as many people would go to Church if they didn't hear the 'fire and brimstone' of Christianity.


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