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lol that came off as "science doesn't answer anything."

It does. I feel like we've got a ways to go, but a ways we've come, most certainly.

What if God set off the Big Bang and let everything else run it's course without any further ineraction? That lets God exist without contradicting any scientific fact.

Nice cop-out, really class act. Doesn't make god anymore plausible though.

At 4/22/08 05:33 PM, Petro355 wrote: I have a thought:

What if God set off the Big Bang and let everything else run it's course without any further ineraction? That lets God exist without contradicting any scientific fact.

Mmm... So the prespective of god will constantly change, or to be accurate, will be in constant process of evolution? It's funny how believers keep changing their catch just to keep their "belief" - And for your thought - it's very unlikely, or even if it is thats my answer :

At 4/22/08 05:33 PM, Petro355 wrote: I have a thought:

What if God set off the Big Bang and let everything else run it's course without any further ineraction? That lets God exist without contradicting any scientific fact.

The problem here is that you want God to exist. In lack of a better word, you are simply biased.

I mean, imagine if you tried to use this line of thinking on anything else, and how silly it would sound. Maybe goblins exists but doesn't want to be near us humans? THAT's why we haven't seen them!

long ass thread

At 4/24/08 11:03 AM, Expl0it wrote: long ass thread

And you just helped it become slightly longer. And you made me quote you, so it's even longer than that!

At 4/25/08 03:04 AM, Drakim wrote:

At 4/24/08 11:03 AM, Expl0it wrote: long ass thread

And you just helped it become slightly longer. And you made me quote you, so it's even longer than that!

Stop it you guys, you're just making it longer.

Oh shi-

at the end of the day science can never truly disprove religion and vice-versa.

science could be fully compatible through some points of views ,where as others may see religion as a way to keep everyone in line.

some religions are probably scams ,most are incorrect ,but there can be only one belief.

despite this ,there is no way to prove any of them and people can argue otherwise but it wont prove anything.

so to all you Muslims ,atheists ,Christians ,jews ,etc, who feel the need to tell everyone that they are right and everyone else is wrong...

SHUT THE GOD DAMN FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S i am one of the above mentioned ,can you guess? :D

At 6/20/08 03:25 PM, fuzzles1992 wrote: SHUT THE GOD DAMN FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You shut the fuck up, faggot.

Nobody is making you read this thread.

If you don't like religious threads, don't fucking read them.

At 4/14/08 01:12 AM, TrueDemocrat wrote: Religion has oppressed gays across the world for centuries; science, onthe other hand, knows that homosexuals will eventually dominate through Darwin's principles of evolution.

Nice.

The really funny thing though is that homosexual based "families" can only have children by adopting the kids born out of a heterosexual relationship. How ironic.

At 4/22/08 06:07 PM, SirBackBoobs wrote:

What if God set off the Big Bang and let everything else run it's course without any further ineraction? That lets God exist without contradicting any scientific fact.

Nice cop-out, really class act. Doesn't make god anymore plausible though.

what is it exactly that makes it not plausible? How would you have any more reason to say one thing isn't behind a curtain than posturing it is?

At 4/22/08 06:15 PM, zoolrule wrote:

At 4/22/08 05:33 PM, Petro355 wrote: I have a thought:

What if God set off the Big Bang and let everything else run it's course without any further ineraction? That lets God exist without contradicting any scientific fact.

Mmm... So the prespective of god will constantly change, or to be accurate, will be in constant process of evolution? It's funny how believers keep changing their catch just to keep their "belief" - And for your thought - it's very unlikely, or even if it is thats my answer :

;;
HMMM constantly changing , could be called evolving almost... Darwinism winning again ,YAAAAAYYYY!

Hey Zool , nice quote form Epicurus there dude....very nice !

At 6/21/08 04:55 AM, joshhunsaker wrote:

At 4/22/08 06:07 PM, SirBackBoobs wrote:

What if God set off the Big Bang and let everything else run it's course without any further ineraction? That lets God exist without contradicting any scientific fact.

Nice cop-out, really class act. Doesn't make god anymore plausible though.

what is it exactly that makes it not plausible? How would you have any more reason to say one thing isn't behind a curtain than posturing it is?

It's no more plausible than saying flying robot monkeys, alien ants or everything else caused the creation of the universe.

On till we find out what caused the big bang everything is pure speculation. Including God.

At 6/21/08 02:48 PM, Brick-top wrote: On till we find out what caused the big bang everything is pure speculation. Including God.

What you say is true, but do we need to know what caused this "big bang" to understand life? And isn't understanding life the end goal both science and religion are trying to accomplish?

At 6/21/08 09:04 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote:

At 6/21/08 02:48 PM, Brick-top wrote: On till we find out what caused the big bang everything is pure speculation. Including God.

What you say is true, but do we need to know what caused this "big bang" to understand life? And isn't understanding life the end goal both science and religion are trying to accomplish?

Understand life? I don't really think so. Merely just to gain knowledge.

At 6/22/08 08:48 AM, Brick-top wrote: Understand life? I don't really think so. Merely just to gain knowledge.

I wouldn't say that Religion is a quest for knowledge either.

Since it's conclusions have aleady been made (God is our origins) there is no point for Religion to go any futher.

But I'm NOT saying that the Religious aren't trying to seek answers and gain knowledge.

However, Science is agnostic. It hasn't made any conclusions on till evidence says otherwise. So it can go either way (if God made the universe or not) and accept it as long as it can be proven.

I also like watermelon.

most people like me believe that god is the one that made these scientic theories

At 6/22/08 12:25 PM, cheez4 wrote: most people like me believe that god is the one that made these scientic theories

Then how they explain the bible literalists that deny the exact same theories that God made?

At 6/22/08 10:11 AM, Brick-top wrote:

At 6/22/08 08:48 AM, Brick-top wrote: Understand life? I don't really think so. Merely just to gain knowledge.

I wouldn't say that Religion is a quest for knowledge either.

Since it's conclusions have aleady been made (God is our origins) there is no point for Religion to go any futher.

But I'm NOT saying that the Religious aren't trying to seek answers and gain knowledge.

However, Science is agnostic. It hasn't made any conclusions on till evidence says otherwise. So it can go either way (if God made the universe or not) and accept it as long as it can be proven.

I also like watermelon.

Watermelon is good, lets all agree on that.

Lets start off by saying I do not, in general, support mass religion such as Christianity or Islam.

But you say that religion's conclusions have already been made. And those conclusions are that "god is our origins". And what of atheistic religions? Are they not "religious"?

"Science vs Religion" is a very broad term. To narrow it down is nearly impossible. "Religion" is not a synonym for "theism" just as "Science" is not the same as "Atheism".

At 6/22/08 02:06 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote: But you say that religion's conclusions have already been made. And those conclusions are that "god is our origins". And what of atheistic religions? Are they not "religious"?

Nope, are you religious for not believing in Allah, Thor, Oden, the flying spahgetti monster? If you pick a God are you automatically Religious for disbelieving in any other God?

Calling Atheism Religious is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby.

At 6/22/08 12:25 PM, cheez4 wrote: most people like me believe that god is the one that made these scientic theories

Erm, no.

Even if god created all matter, humans still developed the actual theories.

At 6/22/08 04:16 PM, Brick-top wrote:
Calling Atheism Religious is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby.

But I do it every day, and it's so much FUN!

well yeah i totally agree.
people would still believe that there is A god but the bible might be fixed up... or re-written

I'm a Christian and I'm not going to answer your questions not because I'm just a ignorant, but because I would just like to say this for right now.

What if science is a religion.It basically has its own gods such as Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, etc.It has its worshipers/believers such as scientists.Science also has its own rules such as Laws of Physics and other laws and theories.

So is science really that different from religions?Is science actually a religion?

At 6/23/08 03:22 PM, GunnerX86 wrote: I'm a Christian and I'm not going to answer your questions not because I'm just a ignorant, but because I would just like to say this for right now.

What if science is a religion.It basically has its own gods such as Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, etc.It has its worshipers/believers such as scientists.Science also has its own rules such as Laws of Physics and other laws and theories.

So is science really that different from religions?Is science actually a religion?

Science has evidence nobody worships Albert Einstein and expriments. people test theorys. This is a bad argument that I have seen used many times

At 6/23/08 03:22 PM, GunnerX86 wrote: I'm a Christian and I'm not going to answer your questions not because I'm just a ignorant, but because I would just like to say this for right now.

What if science is a religion.It basically has its own gods such as Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, etc.It has its worshipers/believers such as scientists.Science also has its own rules such as Laws of Physics and other laws and theories.

First of all, Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, etc. wouldn't be gods. They would be prophets like Jesus or Abraham, and the only god would be plain truth. Science has no rules, the entire point of science to expand boundaries and to do that rules need to be broken. Einstein always said that he wished to be proven wrong, he asked his colleagues to try to disprove his thoery and create new knowledge in its stead. It's messed up but I can kinda see where you were coming from.

So is science really that different from religions?Is science actually a religion?

But no science is not even close to a religion.

God

At 6/23/08 03:22 PM, GunnerX86 wrote: I'm a Christian and I'm not going to answer your questions not because I'm just a ignorant, but because I would just like to say this for right now.

What if science is a religion.It basically has its own gods such as Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, etc.It has its worshipers/believers such as scientists.Science also has its own rules such as Laws of Physics and other laws and theories.

So is science really that different from religions?Is science actually a religion?

No, science is a method of understanding the unknown. Religion is a place of worship.

Gods? So you're saying that scientists are Gods yet scientists worship them? Umm...what? No, nobody worships anybody.

What scientist invented the modern hypodermic needle? Do we worship the people who developed this too? No, just because a scientist has made great discoveries and is well known it doesn't mean their prophets or Gods.

Own rules? Do you mean the Scientific method? That method is there PURLY so no scientist can lie or distort evidence so that their study is totally nutruel, unbias and accurate.

It's basically a procedure, just like how fireman follow a procedure to get ready to put out a fire. Just like you follow a procedure when you're slowing down at a set of stop lights.

A Law is a descriptive generalization and a Theory is an explaination of a series of facts.

You really have a disorted idea of what Science actually is.

At 6/23/08 04:45 AM, Ravariel wrote:

At 6/22/08 04:16 PM, Brick-top wrote:
Calling Atheism Religious is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby.

But I do it every day, and it's so much FUN!

that reminds me of something i saw. someone has a sig stating that atheism isn't a belief, and many atheists seem to take offense to atheism being referred to as a belief. the problem is that atheism is a belief, the belief that there is no God.
now what is even funnier than atheists who don't realise atheism is a belief are the religious people who think that pointing out this fact somehow invalidates atheism, or makes it hypocritical in some way.
atheism=belief
belief=/=religion
atheism=/=religion

At 6/23/08 05:34 PM, SolInvictus wrote: the problem is that atheism is a belief, the belief that there is no God.

What's even MORE funny is that people who claim Atheism is a Religion (or in this case a belief) aren't actually Atheists themselves.

I've heard some whoppers in the last few years. Things like saying Atheism is for immoral people and they're haters, Atheists worship Dawkins, Darwin, Hitchins etc, Evolution is exclusive to Atheism and they worship it.

And so on....

ALL the people who I've debated that makes these claims ARE BELIEVERS!

Isn't that a huge coincidence and really odd?

Okay, let's use an example. I've said it before but I like saying it because the majority of people who oppose my claim wont actually read it.

Do you believe in Santa claus? No? ok then. You've got a belief that santa claus does not exist. A belief is a Religion so therefor you're now automatically a member of a Religion.

Don't believe in Allah? Okay, you've got a belief that there is no Allah, so you've just invented another Religion.

Don't believe in Oden?........etc etc etc etc

Acording to that logic if you disbelieve anything you're establishing a Religion.

Atheism is an educated guess based on current evidence. Meaning that since there is no proof of God, you can dismiss it.

If you can't automatically dismiss the existience of God based on the lack of current evidence then you can't for every single mythical, religious, philosophical and just randomly imagined creatures this world has known. That's billions, possibily trillions of creatures, worlds and fantasies.

Is Atheism a belief? Is Atheism a Religion?....

....NO FUCKING WAY!

At 6/23/08 08:47 PM, Brick-top wrote: Is Atheism a belief? Is Atheism a Religion?....

....NO FUCKING WAY!

i think system of belief would be more appropriate to describe what people are trying to claim atheism is despite the fact it isn't.