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Sadisticmonkey, you probably hope there is no hell.
You can argue all you want about this shit but there clearly is nothing, no amount of evidence we can give you to convince you of this plain truth.
Science is our primitive way of understanding things, "primitive" we are not the smartest beings in the universe so don't make assumptions you can't prove.

And monkey, your immaturity has lost you any credibility for me with the spam you seem to have a hobby of.

At 12/23/07 08:53 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Sadisticmonkey, you probably hope there is no hell.

You are barbaric if you hope there is.
Nobody deserves to suffer forever.

You can argue all you want about this shit but there clearly is nothing, no amount of evidence we can give you to convince you of this plain truth.

YOU DON"T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE.

Science is our primitive way of understanding things, "primitive" we are not the smartest beings in the universe so don't make assumptions you can't prove.

I'm not makingassumption I can't prove, dickwad. Show me one that I have made.

And monkey, your immaturity has lost you any credibility for me with the spam you seem to have a hobby of.

Spam? ACTUALLY READ MY FUCKING POSTS AND RESPOND TO THE INDIVIDUAL POINTS LIKE I DO FOR YOU.

More incoherent banter from the retard named Sadisticmonkey.
You cannot prove that religion isn't real, there is nothing to lose from believing either.

Tell me why I shouldn't believe in God, tell me why you are so passionate about your disbelief.

At 12/23/07 09:09 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: More incoherent banter from the retard named Sadisticmonkey.

Wow way to ignore my post again.

You cannot prove that religion isn't real,

You can't prove leprechauns, Santa clause, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, fairies, The flying spaghetti monster, the Invisible pink unicorn, elves, pixies flying elephants and giants aren't real. Does that mean they are real?

Tell me why I shouldn't believe in God,

I couldn't give a flying fuck what you believe. I only dislike religion when it affects society, and when you pour your mindless bullshit on to this forum.

tell me why you are so passionate about your disbelief.

Where do I start?
-The fact that different societies have believed in different supernatural beings since the dawn of civilization
-the fact that so many different belief systems still do exist
-the fact that there is no evidence of god whatsoever
-the fact that basically all religious texts are SOO unreliable; that is between translations, between the pope burning unincluded gospels, countless edits to it, writing about events decades after they are claimed to occurred, the countless contradictions etc.

need Isay more?

At 12/23/07 09:09 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: More incoherent banter from the retard named Sadisticmonkey.
You cannot prove that religion isn't real, there is nothing to lose from believing either.

Tell me why I shouldn't believe in God, tell me why you are so passionate about your disbelief.

Well I can tell you that, the Christian god anyways(For for a short period of time I was a Christian)
(History Question) There are fossil records proving that the Earth is not 6000 years old so how could your book be correct,
(Creationism Question) that 99% of the Earth's lifeforms are extinct so what is the intellect of the designer?
(Science Question) How Could Adam and Eve reproduce the entire world without inmating?
(Literal Question) Adam and Eve only had two Children; Cain and Abel, one killed the other, how did Humanity reproduce without a female?
(Chruch Question) If you are Christian you repent correct, repention desended from Indulgences which was paying for your sins, this turned into repention because of the Reformation, which Catholics turned into Protestants, so how trustworthy is your forgivement?
(Hypocrite Question) If Jesus said all will be forgiven, does that mean that all sinners have a chance to go to Heaven as Non-sinners? If you are forgiven regardless of your actions what is the purpose of being good?
(Last Question) Why is your religion any better that the Greeks or Romans, and why do you feel the need to convert everyone you know (Reconquista) or burn them for witchcraft or other things because your religion is "all forgiving"?

At 12/23/07 09:09 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Tell me why I shouldn't believe in God, tell me why you are so passionate about your disbelief.

no one is telling you not to believe in God, Jesus Fucking H. Christ.

you know, science is kind of ridiculous too. you claim that nothing can be everywhere without us noticing? dark matter. you say there is no way to defy physics? general relativity is based on the concept that it doesn't always work (singularity).

If you assume a God to be a creator of this universe, he clearly isn't bound by its physical laws. Like time for instance. Its something that no person can comprehend because all we know is this universe. Kind of like that example people always use to describe the 4th and 5th dimensions. You know, how in 2-d world the very idea of "Up/down" is utterly incomprehensible?
Its kinda like that.

From what I have heard, God created time. If He created time, He is as old as the earth.

It seems no one here knows me very wll, yes I am christian... Lutheran er whatever it is.
I do believe Christ existed, but even if he wasn't the son of God, he still saved us.

The last couple replies are right, God would make it clear to us that he existed if he wanted to, and the planet may have been created only a few thousand years ago, but God is eternal, and so are we.

Hmm, to simplify my theory, our bodies age right? why? I believe it is because our soul is immortal as religion sais so and our bodies aren't, so our bodies wear and tear under the pressure.
By pressure I mean our souls are constantly being pulled on, almost as if God isn't very far away, like a big magnet near a pile of metal shavings. If God were to appear to us, our souls would be ripped from our bodies I believe.
So...oh and also, God created Hell as one of his creations "Satan" decided not to follow him, God made a good plan, to choose good creations from bad. He made hell a place for damned people to learn the difference between good and evil, and as long as they remain defiant, they will stay.
So the thing is, the belief in God, the difference we know good and evil, are what set us apart from the savage animals of the world.

Anything other than that is just a guess . To understand that we cannot know everything, that we are taken care of, that is a religious belief.

Tell me again, do you believe in God?

wow... just when I though things couldn't get more retarded in here.

...maybe I need an NG break...

At 12/24/07 02:01 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: he still saved us.

How so?

The last couple replies are right, God would make it clear to us that he existed if he wanted to, and the planet may have been created only a few thousand years ago, but God is eternal, and so are we.

That sort of contradicts itself.

Anything other than that is just a guess . To understand that we cannot know everything, that we are taken care of, that is a religious belief.

Your whole post was basically a big guessing game, but whatever.

At 12/24/07 04:28 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Your whole post was basically a big guessing game,

ditto, if I didn't know better I would think he was pulling that info out of his ass.

At 12/24/07 02:01 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: So...oh and also, God created Hell as one of his creations "Satan" decided not to follow him, God made a good plan, to choose good creations from bad. He made hell a place for damned people to learn the difference between good and evil, and as long as they remain defiant, they will stay.

Also, basically all Christian scripture concerning hell makes it very clear that once you are in hell, that's it, there's no way out.

At 12/24/07 04:36 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Also, basically all Christian scripture concerning hell makes it very clear that once you are in hell, that's it, there's no way out.

have you read every Christian scripture concerning hell?

At 12/25/07 01:09 AM, iamnecromantic wrote:

At 12/24/07 04:36 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Also, basically all Christian scripture concerning hell makes it very clear that once you are in hell, that's it, there's no way out.

have you read every Christian scripture concerning hell?

phew! There is hope for monkey boy!

At 12/25/07 01:09 AM, iamnecromantic wrote:

At 12/24/07 04:36 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Also, basically all Christian scripture concerning hell makes it very clear that once you are in hell, that's it, there's no way out.

have you read every Christian scripture concerning hell?

I have read quite a bit, BUT, if all parts don't say this, then the word of an omniscient being contradicts itself, which makes no sense at all.

Ok, I think you guys need to just ignore Shaggytheclown17, he is an idiot who can never say he is wrong.

At 12/23/07 10:58 PM, iamnecromantic wrote: you know, science is kind of ridiculous too. you claim that nothing can be everywhere without us noticing? dark matter.

Newsflash: we noticed dark matter is everywhere. That's why we know it's everywhere. We noticed.

Respectfully, no one has actually observed dark matter. We've postulated that is exists, and we've seen its effects. But, as for actual observation of dark matter... no one has seen it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We just haven't seen it.

At 12/25/07 09:21 PM, Bookman60 wrote: Respectfully, no one has actually observed dark matter. We've postulated that is exists, and we've seen its effects. But, as for actual observation of dark matter... no one has seen it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We just haven't seen it.

We haven't seen black holes or subatomic particles either... but we have observed their effect on the world around us and thus are reasonable sure they exist. Noticing the effect and seeing the thing are different, but for the purposes of what Shaggy is trying to say, they are the same.

*Sigh* Shaggy gives a bad name to Creationists... He doesn't mean to but you know what they say: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

At 12/25/07 10:56 PM, Bookman60 wrote: *Sigh* Shaggy gives a bad name to Creationists...

Haha, no. Creationists give themselves bad names by blocking out science and reason.

At 12/25/07 10:56 PM, Bookman60 wrote: *Sigh* Shaggy gives a bad name to Creationists... He doesn't mean to but you know what they say: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Actually, if you accept Jesus in your heart, you go to heaven, hence why stupid people go to heaven even when they do bad things ( i.e they don't realise it ) and why really evil people should also go to heaven if they think they're doing the world a favor/ working for Jesus.

What's Jesus going to do? He can read thoughts, he'd know that in your heart all you ever wanted to do was make the world a better place.

Well that's actually not from the Bible, but a quote someone made (not sure who). The quote maker was evidently pointing out that some people, while well meaning, do more harm than good.

P.S. I knew I should have put a disclaimer of some sort that the hell in the quote isn't actual hell. lol

At 12/25/07 10:53 PM, Ravariel wrote:

At 12/25/07 09:21 PM, Bookman60 wrote: Respectfully, no one has actually observed dark matter. We've postulated that is exists, and we've seen its effects. But, as for actual observation of dark matter... no one has seen it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We just haven't seen it.

We haven't seen black holes or subatomic particles either... but we have observed their effect on the world around us and thus are reasonable sure they exist. Noticing the effect and seeing the thing are different, but for the purposes of what Shaggy is trying to say, they are the same.

existence in general is an effect of god. granted, god needs to have started existing at one point as well, but it's easier to consider something that is indescribable with today 's understanding of the universe just popping into existence than matter. I'm not saying that everything happened in seven days like the bible says, there could be a more flexible definition to that. in a bible written for people who only just realized that they have thumbs (i'm exaggerating), would you expect them to have a word for the immeasurable amount of time creation took? would they have a word for Prokaryotes? things needed to be reworded so people get it. if you think about it that way, even though it sounds really stupid at first, creationism just becomes the slightest bit more realistic.

note: i personally don't believe creationism or darwinism, it's really more of a mix.

At 12/25/07 11:04 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/25/07 10:56 PM, Bookman60 wrote: *Sigh* Shaggy gives a bad name to Creationists...

Haha, no. Creationists give themselves bad names by blocking out science and reason.

I might have known you'd pop in.

At 12/25/07 11:56 PM, Bookman60 wrote: I might have known you'd pop in.

Keeping the BBS clean of wishful thinking since 04 ^_^

At 12/25/07 11:54 PM, iamnecromantic wrote: existence in general is an effect of god.

Says you.

I'm not saying that everything happened in seven days like the bible says

Well your blaspheming, sir.

in a bible written for people who only just realized that they have thumbs (i'm exaggerating), would you expect them to have a word for the immeasurable amount of time creation took? would they have a word for Prokaryotes? things needed to be reworded so people get it. if you think about it that way, even though it sounds really stupid at first, creationism just becomes the slightest bit more realistic.

Well considering god is supposedly omniscient (all-knowing), he's have known we would get to a certain stage where we would contemplate the real origin of the universe, yet he still rests on his religion comiong from a book of fables.

note: i personally don't believe creationism or darwinism, it's really more of a mix.

I'm not even going to ask.

Sigh, what happened here? This topic was slowly slowly picking up on it's value, but then it just plunged right down again.

Now it's nothing but idiots giving stupid questions, and if they even bother come back to the topic anymore, they completely skip the intelligent reply.

This is mainly why I'm more for separate religion topics. This topic just turns into a mess.

At 12/26/07 12:53 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/25/07 11:54 PM, iamnecromantic wrote:

Well considering god is supposedly omniscient (all-knowing), he's have known we would get to a certain stage where we would contemplate the real origin of the universe, yet he still rests on his religion comiong from a book of fables.

1) i don't think god is all knowing, he just knows a hell of a lot more than us.
2) if he'd used the actual names instead of the "fables," nobody would get a word of what was in the bible and the Jewish/Cristian/Islamic faiths wouldn't have existed.
3) to drakim: if you want to see it stay on topic, get the mods to delete the major crap.