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More so about the superstition.

There IS conflict and there HAS BEEN conflict for over a mellinia.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either blind or ignorant.

It is not so much a conflict of science and relligion but current current science therory vs new science therory, most of the scientific community at the time didnt except that the earth revolved around the sun, and moast of the common people thought that the idea that the earth goes around the sun is just plain stupid, hence many common people today find it absured that god can be real, but that is chainging i see that there was a pole that said there is more people in colledge that believes in relligion and more people that drop out dont.

At 1/28/07 03:16 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: hence many common people today find it absured that god can be real, but that is chainging i see that there was a pole that said there is more people in colledge that believes in relligion and more people that drop out dont.

Comparing belief in god to the earth revolving around the sun is just plain stupid - just because "many" people as you so aptly put it find the idea of god's existence to be absurd and a few hundred years ago people found heliocentrism absurd doesn't put belief in god on the same level as belief in heliocentrism. That's a complete logical fallacy.

Even if you did see such a poll - which you probably didn't - then it was probably just because most people, in general, are theistic. You are implying that intelligent people that go to college are, as a general trend, are theistic, and people who drop out are, in general, atheistic / humanistic / agnostic.

Let me be blunt.

That is retarded.

Even if that were true, it wouldn't mean that there is any scientific data to validate the existence of god. That notion, too, is retarded. As has been said on this forum countless times before, there is no way science can prove or disprove the existence of an omnipotent creator. None.

At 1/28/07 04:20 PM, Peter-II wrote:

Even if that were true, it wouldn't mean that there is any scientific data to validate the existence of god. That notion, too, is retarded. As has been said on this forum countless times before, there is no way science can prove or disprove the existence of an omnipotent creator. None.

Science is the study of the world and how it works (everything from astrology to biology). God made the world and the laws that governed it, so science can never anser the question of weather or not god exsists because it is not an anser science can make. So i agree with you on that.

But not to sound offensive to anybody but atheism to me sounds like sticking you head into the dirt and saying what you see is the only part of the world that exsists, sort of a self centered veiw of reality.

HogWashSoup and the rest of you, will you try to counter my arguments or are you just gonna keep saying the same thing from every other of your posts, if you do not than I, Zoraxe7, and the other theists will win the argument.
Comon!, the gauntlet has been thrown! Gimmie your best shot!
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW!!!...wait a minite... oh yeah! You DONT Believe in god Dont ya! HA!

At 1/26/07 06:29 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 1/26/07 05:55 PM, HogWashSoup wrote: where is your god now?

Try posting some thing smart.

Try forming compound words. I thought the post and the accompanying pic was funny.

So what exactly is a born-again Christian?

At 1/28/07 12:51 AM, DJ-Jerakai wrote: Togakuwa is right.

There IS conflict and there HAS BEEN conflict for over a mellinia.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either blind or ignorant.

No one really said otherwise. What he said is that, in theory, they do not conflict.

At 1/29/07 02:29 AM, ReconRebel wrote: So what exactly is a born-again Christian?

A born-again Christian is just a Christian. Born again just means saved.

At 1/29/07 02:46 AM, Altarus wrote:

At 1/29/07 02:29 AM, ReconRebel wrote: So what exactly is a born-again Christian?

A born-again Christian is just a Christian. Born again just means saved.

If you're born again, do you get two belly buttons?

At 1/29/07 02:49 AM, ReconRebel wrote: If you're born again, do you get two belly buttons?

I don't know if you're just joking around or if you don't understand the metaphor, but the second birth is a spiritual birth.

At 1/29/07 02:52 AM, Altarus wrote:

At 1/29/07 02:49 AM, ReconRebel wrote: If you're born again, do you get two belly buttons?

I don't know if you're just joking around...

About religion? Perish the thought!

Jesus loves you Altarus, but I'm his favorite.

*runs out the back door*

At 1/29/07 02:49 AM, ReconRebel wrote:

At 1/29/07 02:46 AM, Altarus wrote:

At 1/29/07 02:29 AM, ReconRebel wrote: So what exactly is a born-again Christian?

A born-again Christian is just a Christian. Born again just means saved.

If you're born again, do you get two belly buttons?

lol, so adam and eve have no belly buttons. We have one and the born again have two. lol

I got more than one belly-butten...

At 1/18/07 08:31 PM, Bearpigmanbearpig wrote:

At 1/18/07 06:35 PM, Elfer wrote: Fiberglass Insulation vs. Roast Chicken Pita

Fiberglass insulation can keep your house warm in the winter and cool in the summer, but Roast Chicken Pita is both delicious and nutritious.

WHICH IS BETTER OVERALL???

I think dr. pepper makes life more interesting

Sorry stupid questions deserve stupid answers.

Yes indeed, a stupid question does deserve a stupid response.

Exactly my point.

But it was a bad example. I don't think it was a stupid question to begin with :P

I was saying that moast people that are atheist are atheist because they are angrey at the world and blaim relligion for many of the worlds problems, hence the moast common argument against relligion is that "without relligion there would be no crusades" but I would have to say IT WAS THE FRIGGIN MIDDIEVAL AGES! if the crusades were never launched than there would just be more wars in Europe, also the crusaders used relligion as an excuse, many of the nobles went because they wanted land and become rich, the church supported the crusades in order for the kings to stop fighting each other and focus on someone else.

The first crusade was orriginally launched in order to help defend the Byzantine (eastern roman) empire from advancing turks, the greek romans they were sent to help were Orthodox christian, not catholic.

After the crusades the two cultures of europe and the east started to trade and because of that Europe would become rich, the power of the nobles were weaken because of the crusades and the kings were strenghtened, so the renasaunce was made possible because of the crusades, ands science was allowed to grow do to contack, wich was minnimal till then, so when you start bashing relligion because of the crusades, just remember, the crusades have allowed you to be free and not believe in god if you wished, the crusaders should be your heros.

:the crusades have allowed you to be free and not believe in god if you wished, the crusaders should be your heros.

Not mine through I dont think the crusades were worth it and was a horrible act of savagry, but it made my future the way it is but that is how the world works i guess.

Sorry if this was posted before, but I'm not reading 8 whole pages.
Just a few little factoids, if you're going to challenge me, don't make yourself sound like an ass and speak without any actual knowledge on the subject.

There are about 2500 prophecies in the Bible. 2000 of them have been fulfilled, and science can't officially prove that they didn't happen. The other 500 are reserved for the end times, which of course haven't happened yet. Granted, many of the prophecies don't matter to atheists.
Jesus fulfilled all of the prophecies told about him. The chances of him fulfilling 8 are the same as if a quarter was placed randomly in Texas and a man was blindfolded, spun around and had to walk in a random direction to the edge of the the state and find it on his first try. There were about 60 prophecies about Jesus. More than eight are definitely 100% proven by Jewish and Roman records.
Humans know an estimated 10%(if even) of all the knowledge in the universe, it is ridiculous and arrogant to claim there is no God without knowing the other 90%.
Christianity's creation is the ONLY religion where the creation lines up with sciences creation(in the same order, not the same amount of time).
God made Adam and Eve as adults, not as zygotes or babies or anything. God could have created the rocks with age too.
Personal opinion, I think it's silly to try and debunk and even hate Christianity if only for the sake of "being right". Even if you don't believe the fire is hot, it will still burn you. Even if you don't believe in Hell, it's still there. :)

Do any of you have any idea what you're talking about?
Both sides here are sounding incredibly retarded.

Besides, isn't this supposed to be the politics forum? All I'm seeing here are religious arguements full of childish logic and language.

At 1/29/07 11:27 PM, squeakytoad wrote: ...Besides, isn't this supposed to be the politics forum? All I'm seeing here are ... arguements full of childish logic and language.

isn't that what politics is all about. (give or take the religion)

Science is nothing without hardcore evidence,such as documents and stuff.
Religion has Documents but for all we know it could have got written by a drunk person

The whole real way to know is to go back in time and see with our own 2 eyes.

At 1/30/07 12:03 AM, rex1020 wrote: Science is nothing without hardcore evidence,such as documents and stuff.
Religion has Documents but for all we know it could have got written by a drunk person

The whole real way to know is to go back in time and see with our own 2 eyes.

This is exactly the kind of post I'm talking about. Six pages of these.

At 1/30/07 01:02 AM, squeakytoad wrote: This is exactly the kind of post I'm talking about. Six pages of these.

welcome to Newgrounds.

Science wins! FATALITY

At 1/29/07 10:57 PM, PBass wrote: Sorry if this was posted before, but I'm not reading 8 whole pages.
Just a few little factoids, if you're going to challenge me, don't make yourself sound like an ass and speak without any actual knowledge on the subject.

But that's my right as a human, so I'm going to anyway.

There are about 2500 prophecies in the Bible. 2000 of them have been fulfilled, and science can't officially prove that they didn't happen. The other 500 are reserved for the end times, which of course haven't happened yet. Granted, many of the prophecies don't matter to atheists.

Nostradamus made a lot of prophecies too, as did the Deplhi Oracle. Science can't prove that those didn't happen either. I prophecize that withing 5 billion years, we'll all be dead. Can't prove that isn't going to happen either. From all this we conlude what exactly?

Jesus fulfilled all of the prophecies told about him. The chances of him fulfilling 8 are the same as if a quarter was placed randomly in Texas and a man was blindfolded, spun around and had to walk in a random direction to the edge of the the state and find it on his first try. There were about 60 prophecies about Jesus. More than eight are definitely 100% proven by Jewish and Roman records.

More than eight 100% proven by Roman records. Allright, go ahead. Give me some quotes. Christ' existence is 'proven' by a single Roman record, that described him as a sect leader whose followers commited atrocities (flagitia). Wikipedia has the quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus

The other source I know of is Josephus (Jewish). But more than eight fulfilled prophecies proven by Roman records? Amuse me.

Humans know an estimated 10%(if even) of all the knowledge in the universe, it is ridiculous and arrogant to claim there is no God without knowing the other 90%.

We don't have a clue how much knowledge there is in the universe. Like 87% of all statistics, this one was made up on the spot. For the sake of the argument, let's assume we only know 10% of everything that there is to be known. Is it not at least as arrogant to claim that you know that a God exists, furthermore what is name is, what he thinks about the world, what he wants us to do and that he created this entire galaxy just for us as part of some divine plan especially made for humanity? I'd say that it's a hell of a lot more arrogant. Instead of claiming 10% knowledge about the universe, you're claiming 100% about it's creator...

Christianity's creation is the ONLY religion where the creation lines up with sciences creation(in the same order, not the same amount of time).

Yup, everything on the earth was created seperately. Lines up perfectly with science... Other creation myths don't describe all the species on earth being created from nothing in a matter of days, and hence conflict even less with science. All this proves what, exactly? Even if it were correct, what are you trying to say? That it fits closer to science than other crackpot theories and by that argument is more correct than the scientific answer?

God made Adam and Eve as adults, not as zygotes or babies or anything. God could have created the rocks with age too.

Oh yes, it's perfectly possible that this entire world was created last tuesday, exactly as it is now, leading us to believe that it's billions of years old, while actually it isn't. It's possible, but not plausible. Just like it's perfectly possible that we're all just a bunch of incredibly advanced AIs in a huge supercomputer of an advanced civilization and nothing more than a test project. Possible, but not at all plausible. Nobody is trying to get those crackpot theories taught in science class, why should the Genesis crackpot theory be?

Personal opinion, I think it's silly to try and debunk and even hate Christianity if only for the sake of "being right". Even if you don't believe the fire is hot, it will still burn you. Even if you don't believe in Hell, it's still there. :)

I was waiting for the fire and brimstone argument to come up again. Congratulations, you should be proud. So we should all just accept everything it teaches, even if it's not "right", because we'll go to hell if we don't? You were born a couple of centuries too late, the middle ages have passed.

At 1/30/07 03:09 AM, Post-recon wrote: Science wins! FATALITY

Atheism lost, religion wins via Science if you read my posts. so i agree with you, but you didnt mean it like that did you. Huzzah!

At 1/29/07 10:57 PM, PBass wrote:

Humans know an estimated 10%(if even) of all the knowledge in the universe, it is ridiculous and arrogant to claim there is no God without knowing the other 90%.

Personal opinion, I think it's silly to try and debunk and even hate Christianity if only for the sake of "being right". Even if you don't believe the fire is hot, it will still burn you. Even if you don't believe in Hell, it's still there. :)

You give people that believe in god a bad name, it is not a question of science that God exsists or not, do you expect that we will oneday find god floating around in space doing godly stuff on a bunch of fluffy clouds?

First of all if there is hell, it is proboble only temporary like in moast relligions.
Your also saying that if you dont believe in god you will burn in hell, you have proven yourself to be just as dumb as the 13 yearold atheists on this thread (they are not all like this im just refering to the idiots like HogWashSoup) crawl into a hole and die... dont die... but stay in the hole till you smarten up hmm OK.

At 1/29/07 10:57 PM, PBass wrote: Jesus fulfilled all of the prophecies told about him. The chances of him fulfilling 8 are the same as if a quarter was placed randomly in Texas and a man was blindfolded, spun around and had to walk in a random direction to the edge of the the state and find it on his first try.

or seeing as he was a Jew he knew about the prophecised messiah, like all Jews did, and made sure he fulfilled them. there are also many prophecies the messiah was supposed to fulfilled that Jesus did not, these are arguable and used by Jews to whom Jesus is not the messiah.

Who here belives in evolution??? who belives in creation???
I, belive in evolution

At 1/18/07 10:37 AM, DJ-Jerakai wrote: Ok, so religion has the bible, the koran, the holy scriptures and so fourth and so on, but Science has everything else plus logic.

Science has disproved many Christian theories, such as the evolution of man, contrary to the theory of Adam and Eve.

It seems it's first Science, than Religion by the way you say it.
It also has disproved Santa Claus.

And secondly, how long will it be before Science completely disproves the theory of how god made earth and validates the big bang theory?

It will take another good couple of hundred years, but it will disprove a lot of religions soon enough,

Thirdly, once that happends, would faithfuls continue to blindly ignore scientific facts and follow disproven religious texts?

There will always be people like that, people always think they are right and religion will guide them, hell ask Ned Flanders what he thinks. (that's a joke, I know he's not real)