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At 4/4/07 02:58 PM, SolInvictus wrote: look, kid, Dre-Man may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but you're an idiot.

the global flood is easy to dis prove. when it was over,"the ark landed on top of mount everast" they would have frozen to death within 30 seconds and suffocated in the thin air. they'd also fall in a crvice on the way down or somthing.The ark was never found, and the ark had a male and a female from each speces, so take the human population for instance. i dont know when the "great flood" happened, but asumeing it happened at the christian view of the begining of time(6000 years ago). giving the human race only 6000 years to re-populate. soposing each generation lives 20 years before it reprodueces, and never dies, ( i know that mortal humans die somtime but for the perposes of this calculation, i'll just say no one ever dies.) divide 6000 by 20, the answer is 300. so simpley i only have to do this: 2^300. the answer is very,very,very,very big. 1000000's of times as big as 4 billion( curennt human population) so if noah's ark was the truth, the earth would have been so over populated, murder would be concidered a good thing because it would lower the population!

At 4/4/07 03:56 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/4/07 03:39 PM, Imperator wrote:

Made my day right there bro! Danke!

I like how he someone combined "areanythingbut" as one word.

I made a big mistake in my typeing!

At 4/4/07 04:13 PM, AndrewGlisson11 wrote:

the global flood is easy to dis prove. when it was over,"the ark landed on top of mount everast" they would have frozen to death within 30 seconds and suffocated in the thin air. they'd also fall in a crvice on the way down or somthing.The ark was never found,

How the fuck do you know they landed on mount everest when the ark was never found?

At 4/4/07 04:17 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/4/07 04:13 PM, AndrewGlisson11 wrote:

the global flood is easy to dis prove. when it was over,"the ark landed on top of mount everast" they would have frozen to death within 30 seconds and suffocated in the thin air. they'd also fall in a crvice on the way down or somthing.The ark was never found,

How the fuck do you know they landed on mount everest when the ark was never found?

Doesn't the bible say they landed thare? you can't beleve in part of somthing without beliveing all of it.

At 4/4/07 04:23 PM, AndrewGlisson11 wrote:

Doesn't the bible say they landed thare?

No.

At 4/4/07 04:24 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/4/07 04:23 PM, AndrewGlisson11 wrote:

Doesn't the bible say they landed thare?

No.

well, its still proved wrong by everything else i said.

p.s. get me off your F*cking sig.

At 4/4/07 04:13 PM, AndrewGlisson11 wrote:

At 4/4/07 02:58 PM, SolInvictus wrote: look, kid, Dre-Man may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but you're an idiot.

the global flood is easy to dis prove.

it is, but you're still an idiot.

wrong mountain buddy.

At 4/4/07 04:27 PM, AndrewGlisson11 wrote:
well, its still proved wrong by everything else i said.

p.s. get me off your F*cking sig.

Hahaha! YES! Memorize pulls through!!

Seriously kid, head to general and talk there. I think politics are just a little out of your leage right now.....

At 4/4/07 04:31 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 4/4/07 04:27 PM, AndrewGlisson11 wrote:
well, its still proved wrong by everything else i said.

p.s. get me off your F*cking sig.

Hahaha! YES! Memorize pulls through!!

Seriously kid, head to general and talk there. I think politics are just a little out of your leage right now.....

I SPEND ALMOST ALL MY TIME IN THE GENERAL FORUM!!!!!!!!! and I thought i'd try sonthing new. Well, I guess I should go bak to the general forum.

At 4/4/07 04:48 PM, AndrewGlisson11 wrote:
I SPEND ALMOST ALL MY TIME IN THE GENERAL FORUM!!!!!!!!! and I thought i'd try sonthing new. Well, I guess I should go bak to the general forum.

AWWW! You're making me sad! just learn something about whatever you want to debate before doing so, and make sure it's accurate......or people here will eat you alive.....

For instance, know what the Bible actually DOES say before making the claim.

At 4/4/07 03:24 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/4/07 11:50 AM, Drakim wrote:

For example, we can easily see that there has never been such a thing as a global flood.

No, you can't.

Yes you can. A global flood would leave marks all over the planet. We use many methods to "look into the past" by digging into the ground or checking the ice on the north pole. Nothing indicates that there was a Global flood. Remember, the bible claimed it was higher than the highest mountain, so we aren't talking about something that could just dry away and leave no evidence. Or do you think God purposely deleted all evidence to create confusion?

And don't get me started on all the implications such as the air being pushed out in space so much extra water in so few days would cause.

And there is the claim that pi is 3. We can easy calculate that pi is 3.14~

That's like arguing over who is more correct.

What the hell are you talking about? If you use 3 in a mathematical question with circles, you will get the WRONG answer. How can the two argue over who is the most correct when one is wrong? pi isn't something that changes with opinion and weather.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Bible say that you are supposed to put people who do homosexual acts to death? Was God just joking?

I have never met a more stupid person when it comes to the Bible in all my life.

Yet, you didn't bother to tell why it was so stupid, exactly.

Here, I'll make it easier for you to refute my stupid argument that the Bible says homosexuals should be put to death:
Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

Try refuting my arguments instead of just calling me stupid, m'kay?

What the hell are you talking about? If you use 3 in a mathematical question with circles, you will get the WRONG answer. How can the two argue over who is the most correct when one is wrong? pi isn't something that changes with opinion and weather.

If you use 3.14 you also get the WRONG answer. If you use 3.14159265 you get the WRONG answer. So yes, it is a subjective matter of who's more correct.

At 4/4/07 04:56 PM, Drakim wrote:

Or do you think God purposely deleted all evidence to create confusion?

No. I'm just saying you cannot prove for sure, one way or the other.

And... that's it. Not saying there is no evidence for or against it.

What the hell are you talking about? If you use 3 in a mathematical question with circles, you will get the WRONG answer. How can the two argue over who is the most correct when one is wrong? pi isn't something that changes with opinion and weather.

Because back in elementary school, we did this thing called rounding. What you're doing is like saying someone is an idiot for calling it 3.14 when another person says "no! It's 3.14159". It just goes to who is more accurate.

For example, the Bible says the arc was x cubics long. A cubic was from, I think, the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. And not everyone has the same size arm.

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

Welcome to the old testament!

Try refuting my arguments instead of just calling me stupid, m'kay?

Stupid. Just because you said not to.

At 4/4/07 05:03 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/4/07 04:56 PM, Drakim wrote:

Or do you think God purposely deleted all evidence to create confusion?

No. I'm just saying you cannot prove for sure, one way or the other.

......
Yes, in the same way we cannot prove there is no such things as vampires. Or a second global flood. Or a third.

You can never ever ever prove something 100%, but rather, you find where evidence points against. Don't you think it is kinda strange that for example Egypt and it's culture wasn't wiped out when the flood came? It is a lot older than when he flood supposedly came.

Where did all the water come from? Where did all the water go?

How did freshwater fish survive when all the water on the planet was mixed? How come our lakes aren't salt anymore? Did they magically get cleansed of the salt afterwards? How did all plants survive? What about the rain forest?

Because back in elementary school, we did this thing called rounding. What you're doing is like saying someone is an idiot for calling it 3.14 when another person says "no! It's 3.14159". It just goes to who is more accurate.

That is true, but 3 will generally produce errors no matter what with the human measurements we have.

If we have a yard that is formed in a circle, and we use a pi of 3 to calculate something with it, we will get an answer that is some off, if we round it off to the nearest meter. 3.14 will however, not. Sure, you could use more than just .14, but it usually isn't nessesary.

But, anyway, lets not argue on this one. I agree, it can be seen diffrently.

For example, the Bible says the arc was x cubics long. A cubic was from, I think, the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. And not everyone has the same size arm.

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

Welcome to the old testament!

And? Isn't the old testament part of the bible? I thought it made up the biggest part of it. Didn't Jesus say something on the lines of that the earth and heavens would be undone before the scripture was?

Try refuting my arguments instead of just calling me stupid, m'kay?

Stupid. Just because you said not to.

....., well, I refuse to resort to such childish things as name calling. Too bad.

At 4/4/07 05:33 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 4/4/07 05:03 PM, Memorize wrote: Welcome to the old testament!

And? Isn't the old testament part of the bible? I thought it made up the biggest part of it. Didn't Jesus say something on the lines of that the earth and heavens would be undone before the scripture was?

Jesus also said that "doing unto other as you would have them do unto you" was the entire Old Testament summed up (Matthew 7:12).

At 4/4/07 05:33 PM, Drakim wrote:

Yes, in the same way we cannot prove there is no such things as vampires. Or a second global flood. Or a third.

And that is what we call exaggeration.

Don't you think it is kinda strange that for example Egypt and it's culture wasn't wiped out when the flood came? It is a lot older than when he flood supposedly came.

Can produce an accurate date of the flood? As in, pin point the actual date?

Where did all the water come from? Where did all the water go?

Could explain why the Earth is over 70% covered with water. But I really don't know or really even care.

How did freshwater fish survive when all the water on the planet was mixed? How come our lakes aren't salt anymore? Did they magically get cleansed of the salt afterwards? How did all plants survive? What about the rain forest?

How did plants grow in the first place?

I can play that game too.

That is true, but 3 will generally produce errors no matter what with the human measurements we have.

Do you expect people, thousands of years ago, to produce an exact answer for pi?

And? Isn't the old testament part of the bible? I thought it made up the biggest part of it. Didn't Jesus say something on the lines of that the earth and heavens would be undone before the scripture was?

Because, we aren't living in the Old Testament anymore.

....., well, I refuse to resort to such childish things as name calling. Too bad.

Wuss.

Dude, people have had religion since the dawn of man. Or at least since the dawn of The Beatles. Anyway, religious people aren't just gonna drop the Bible, or whatever they have, I'm not a religion expert, because of science. They're gonna keep on listening to their church people, or whatever, who say that God, or whoever, made Earth. You wanna argue with them? You can, but it really won't help.

At 4/4/07 05:43 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/4/07 05:33 PM, Drakim wrote:

Yes, in the same way we cannot prove there is no such things as vampires. Or a second global flood. Or a third.

And that is what we call exaggeration.

And saying that there is a good possibility for a global flood because some scripture says it isn't? The same story also makes a number of claims that just is impossible. How the hell did Noah get all those diffrent animals in the ark? And feed them? Snakes, for example, only eats living food, so he would have enough mice for 40 days and night. (was it that long? can't remember). It isn't the most reliable source I can think of.

Don't you think it is kinda strange that for example Egypt and it's culture wasn't wiped out when the flood came? It is a lot older than when he flood supposedly came.

Can produce an accurate date of the flood? As in, pin point the actual date?

Not exact, but the Bible has a "family tree" of some sort, so we can calculate our way based on generations. (it is the same as young earth creationists uses) It might be a lot off, but we are talking about civilizations that existed several thousand years before such a flood, and lasted past it too, with absolutely no records of something like that happening. They did however, record things such as eclipses. So, you would think they would record when water came and killed everything. Or, at least, be dead ^^

Besides, if everybody comes from Noah and his family, how come we have different skin colors and such? Our DNA just doesn't match enough to all be related just some thousand years ago.

Where did all the water come from? Where did all the water go?

Could explain why the Earth is over 70% covered with water. But I really don't know or really even care.

Yes, and during the flood, it was covered 100%. You might not care, but that poses a big problem back here in reality. Or do you just shut reality out when it bothers you?

How did freshwater fish survive when all the water on the planet was mixed? How come our lakes aren't salt anymore? Did they magically get cleansed of the salt afterwards? How did all plants survive? What about the rain forest?

How did plants grow in the first place?

I can play that game too.

Heh, I see that.

If God created all plants, and then killed them.
Let's say Noah took with him some seeds. He could impossible bring every freaking plant there is, so either God would have to remake part of his creation, or the other species must have evolved from the seeds Noah had.

Now, if God had to recreate stuff, then why bother making Noah get all those animals? He could just have recreated those too. And the bible says nothing about remaking all the plants that was lost.

Do you expect people, thousands of years ago, to produce an exact answer for pi?

No, but I would expect God to be able to do it. Wheren't these people inspired by the holy spirit when they wrote the Bible, so it couldn't be wrong?

Because, we aren't living in the Old Testament anymore.

Well, the old testament is the only thing that condems homosexuality if I remember right. I'm pretty sure a lot of Christians don't agree with your "old testament doesn't apply anymore at all" theory.

The Bible makes a lot of claims, and provides no evidence. Simple truth.

At 4/4/07 06:12 PM, Drakim wrote:

Don't you think it is kinda strange that for example Egypt and it's culture wasn't wiped out when the flood came? It is a lot older than when he flood supposedly came.

The earliest confirmed homo sapien civilization was the Sumerian city state of Ur, 3000 B.C. I believe they invented glue.

At 4/4/07 06:12 PM, Drakim wrote:

And saying that there is a good possibility for a global flood because some scripture says it isn't? The same story also makes a number of claims that just is impossible. How the hell did Noah get all those diffrent animals in the ark? And feed them? Snakes, for example, only eats living food, so he would have enough mice for 40 days and night. (was it that long? can't remember).

I don't know why you're arguing that way. If God exists and is an all-powerfull being, would you not think he could "subject" all the animals to his will?

I also do not know why you people always say "all those different animals!", especially when he just took 2 of every land animal.

The ark's length? A cubit is around 18 inches. The ark was built at 300 cubits length, 30 cubits height, and 45 cubits wide.

so...
Length: 450 ft
Height: 45 ft
Wide: 75 ft

This thing was built longer than a football field. Not to mention had more than 1 floor. I'd bet this thing could probly even fit up close to 100,000 animals.

How did he get them into the ark? Read the book. It says they CAME to him. Why? Well, if God exists, then it wouldn't be that difficult to say he had them go to the ark.

Besides, if everybody comes from Noah and his family, how come we have different skin colors and such? Our DNA just doesn't match enough to all be related just some thousand years ago.

I just love claims when you have no evidence or source. Would be nice.

Skin color has to do with skin pigment. In my family, i'm a white, red headed, freackled Indian. My brother is very dark skinned, very deep, dark brown hair. Different eye color.

Though my dad is just a standard white colored guy, his sister Leah has such a dark skin that when they were in Southern Africa, the people thought they adopted her there.

Yes, and during the flood, it was covered 100%. You might not care, but that poses a big problem back here in reality. Or do you just shut reality out when it bothers you?

Here's the difference between you and me. I don't insult people based on their religion.

Let's say Noah took with him some seeds. He could impossible bring every freaking plant there is, so either God would have to remake part of his creation, or the other species must have evolved from the seeds Noah had.

How did plants come to be after the earth was formed and evolution took place? Why is it that in barran wastelands, after a number of years can actually turn into a "paradise" (if you want to use that word)?

Why is it that you think plants could not survive after a flood? Aren't there places on earth where there used to a huge amount of water and all that's left is tree and grass?

C'mon.

Now, if God had to recreate stuff, then why bother making Noah get all those animals? He could just have recreated those too. And the bible says nothing about remaking all the plants that was lost.

You have no idea how plants work do you?

The Bible makes a lot of claims, and provides no evidence. Simple truth.

Simple opinion. Just like how I bet you have an orgasm everytime you post on this topic.

You can never ever ever prove something 100%, but rather, you find where evidence points against.

Of course you can. If someone punches you in the face and that person says he didn't, but you have 100 people who saw it, you can prove it. Think about it, not that it really takes much thought.

1+1=2 I can prove that too.

At 4/4/07 04:58 PM, Imperator wrote:

What the hell are you talking about? If you use 3 in a mathematical question with circles, you will get the WRONG answer. How can the two argue over who is the most correct when one is wrong? pi isn't something that changes with opinion and weather.

If you use 3.14 you also get the WRONG answer. If you use 3.14159265 you get the WRONG answer. So yes, it is a subjective matter of who's more correct.

Another thing, me and Togukawa already debated this "pi" bullshit like 10 pages ago, and I proved his stupid ass wrong. So drop it.

Next thing you know, you're going to stop bashing Noah's Ark and point out how Jesus walking on water isn't scientifically possible.

You are the most worthless, most close minded idiots I have ever heard.

At 4/4/07 09:02 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Next thing you know, you're going to stop bashing Noah's Ark and point out how Jesus walking on water isn't scientifically possible.

There are several species of insects and at least one lizard which can travel around on water without breaking the surface tension, so why couldn't Jesus do it if he had access to advanced technology?

At 4/4/07 09:37 PM, Draconias wrote:

At 4/4/07 09:02 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Next thing you know, you're going to stop bashing Noah's Ark and point out how Jesus walking on water isn't scientifically possible.

There are several species of insects and at least one lizard which can travel around on water without breaking the surface tension, so why couldn't Jesus do it if he had access to advanced technology?

Uh, because Jesus lived in the B.C.'s.

We have scientific proof of Noah's Ark anyway... right here and the same article is found right here.

This article is confirmed again and again many times... just google "proof of noah's ark" and you'll find it.

But the plain and simple fact is, if you can bash us for not having scientific proof of Noah's Ark, you can also bash us for saying that Jesus walking on water is scientifically impossible, which is a close minded and idiotic remark.

At 4/4/07 10:16 PM, Dre-Man wrote: We have scientific proof of Noah's Ark anyway... right here and the same article is found right here.

it prooves there was a flood in the region, which we know, not a global flood.

At 4/4/07 10:21 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 4/4/07 10:16 PM, Dre-Man wrote: We have scientific proof of Noah's Ark anyway... right here and the same article is found right here.

it prooves there was a flood in the region, which we know, not a global flood.

Show me a verse in the bible that mentions the word "global". There are many who belive that the "world" might have simply been the fertile crescent.

Guess Katrina was scientifically impossible too, eh?

At 4/4/07 10:38 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Show me a verse in the bible that mentions the word "global". There are many who belive that the "world" might have simply been the fertile crescent.

Guess Katrina was scientifically impossible too, eh?

sorry, generally people who argue about the flood are the ones who claim it was a global flood and Noah and his family were the last humans. (though the last part is in the Bible)

At 4/4/07 11:27 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 4/4/07 10:38 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Show me a verse in the bible that mentions the word "global". There are many who belive that the "world" might have simply been the fertile crescent.

Guess Katrina was scientifically impossible too, eh?

sorry, generally people who argue about the flood are the ones who claim it was a global flood and Noah and his family were the last humans. (though the last part is in the Bible)

Generally people who argue about the flood think that Noah had a white, black, and asian son.

Generally people are idiots.