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one thing i would like to say is that religion will someday be beaten by science. Religion has nowhere to expand. It doesn't come up with new ideas, and change what it is. Science is constantly changing, and disputing new ideas.

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At 3/28/07 02:41 PM, WRB852 wrote: hee hee, funny picture. lol

ok, i don't know if i support the picture, but i do find it very funny

Heh, fine by me. But my challenge, try pointing out exactly what is wrong with it ^^

one thing i would like to say is that religion will someday be beaten by science. Religion has nowhere to expand. It doesn't come up with new ideas, and change what it is. Science is constantly changing, and disputing new ideas.

I dunno about that. Humans live pretty short. Even if science was to convince every single person that there is no God right now, give it a few generations and you will have God believers again.

However, as we know more and more about nature, there is less and less need to say that God did it. For example, we now know lightning isn't some angry God that likes to show off. Even thought God as an idea/belief probably will never stop existing, it will become smaller.

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At 3/28/07 02:11 PM, Imperator wrote: And who am I? You don't know my name, my background, my religious beliefs, aspirations, nothing. You know I post under the name "Imperator", that's about it.....

that's enough.

I truely cannot see anything more retarded than placeing your "Faith"

Alright, too easy. I'll let this one slide.

of course you'll let it slide, you can pick apart anothers post, but you cannot come up with anything that can be proven to back your claims.

Can you comprehend the mass insanity of the christians

Over 2 billion people worldwide, about 33% of the world's population. That's quite a few "insane" people if you ask me.....

I didn't ask you . I just gave you the facts & you provided the numbers

God did not create religions, mankind did.
Can you not see the difference there?

Sure. Can you explain why that's the case instead of just ranting?

Sure?
Sure what?
You can see that its an invention of man. -or- You cannot see a difference?

God doesn't choose a pope, the hierarchy of the damn religion does AND its as political as any form of goverment on earth (sad when someone has to point that out to you, come on, think for yourself)

Agreed. Also you should note that there are only about 1 billion Catholics, and not all Christians are Catholics. Don't make me unleash Dre-Man on you.....

I fear Dre-man or you as much as I fear being attacked by a puppy

I'm not for one second saying or even implying that an omniputent power doesn't exist.

Hmmm....

Great answer one of your best so far.

I take it you're not going to see the irony of the statement you made here and your belief that religion is "retarded".........

Believing that there is an omniputent power-god -if you will, has nothing at all to do with religion.

Religion is an invention of man.

Explain how that's the case.

Simple, GOD didn't come down & form a religion.
IF God had of done that there would be only that religion.

Its not that all religions are bad, they're not all bad, but they are all flawed.

But....some ARE bad seems to be what you are implying here? I'm curious, what religions in specific do you believe are bad? (Not that I don't already know the answer....).

All of them are bad, in they attempt to enforce their dogma on everyone.

So why not attempt to at least see that there are flaws, & don't allow religion to get in the way of our ability to think & reason for ourselves.

Erm....again, too easy. Alright fine.

Hey , look another brilliant answer, wow two of them in one post, your on a roll here.

Look up Ecumenical Council.

Why?
Another bunch of Dogma brain washed old fucks who do your thinking for you.

If your one of those who cannot face the fact your going to die, so you need the crutch or comfort of a place...heaven, reincarnation ,whatever,.

Pretty sure that statement contradicts itself.....

So what are you, Pretty? or sure?

go with whatever floats your boat. But don't try to get those of us who realise if your religion is flawed chances are good so is your knowledge of what god really expects of us , as well as what comes after death.

Pretty sure that's a generalization. I'm not a Jehova witness. I don't get up at 6 am to pound on your door and ask if you've "Found Jesus".

So again you don't know so you give a flippent reply about the Jehova's.

And frankly, with how much Catholicism has permeated the world, I don't give a damn whether you go to Hell or not, or whether you believe or not. The word has been spread, and it's your choice at this point. That's my take anyways.

Deny this if you will, the Cathlic church is losing followers.
It is having trouble bringing new nuns & priests into its ranks.
Heaven & Hell are an invention of the church, since man invented it, I've no worries on that point either way. LOL
The word has spread & as we are now seeing, it is shrinking.

Scientists may make mistakes, improper or incomplete information may cause errors, but at least when someone in a scientific feild realises there has been a mistake made, they change it & let everyone know.

Human experimentation isn't exactly something that a simple 'oops, sorry" can fix.....

True, but burning heretics didn't get rid of the unbelievers to christianity, like the church leaders hoped , did it. Did the church ever appologize for that oops?

Religions try to show that because its written in this or that book ( in the case of the bible hundreds of years after the fact),that so & so seen this or so & so spoke to god with absolutely no proof it has to be true.

That....wasn't even a sentence I don't think.....

IT is very clear to me anyway that you definately don't think!

The fuck are you trying to say?

What can be more retarded than that.

Perhaps a moron can be more retarded.

Your generalizations. I'll be blunt this time, since you seemed to have missed the irony of the question I posed last time.

Try to give us some understanding of your great all powerful religious beliefs, as for irony you need to work on that.
BUT
could you actually use some of your own ideas.
Don't quote the bible & its words of fiction.
Try and realise any council, group, or organization that doesn't have GOD there in the group.
Is an invalid source.
If all you can use to rebut me is what has been written by someone else,or told to you by your priest, then I've proven my point.
Your a brainwashed member of your particular religious group, who's only talent is in spouting what you've been taught & you lack the ability to think reasonably yourself.
Fact means nothing to you.
But 1 billion people believe as you do.
So answer this for me.
IF 1 billion of your religions members, all were instructed by the bible to climb to the highest building, bridge or mountain, and throw yourself off it on the same day. Would you do it without question?
If you answer yes ( and I'm sure you will ,if your the brainwashed religious puppy we all come to love)
You are retarded, as are your fellow believers.

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What i am trying to say is that eventually these religions like Christianity and Islam will be crushed by scientific fact. And if your going to try to say that that's never happened before, look at Greek mythology, it has been completely disproven.

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Most times religious folk just plug their ears and go "LALALALALA" or just deny the logic altogether, as though that would make it go away. They seem to feel as though if their faith isn't "logical" it is less valid, or "retarded"... which confuses me

Aren't you glad I'm here? Yay! I'm the exception to the rule!!

The best part was when I agreed with you.....hehehe....

I sure liked his response on Heathenry though, proved my point almost perfectly.

Yup, you heard it here folks. Roman Catholic who believes faith is illogical, believes in evolution, and knows their are flaws within the Roman Catholic Church. Yet still defends Catholicism on these boards....hmmm.....

Quite a mesh aren't I?

I think I stated once what I perceived my belief structure to be like, I dunno if anyone remembers that though, or even if y'all are the people I told it to.....

I've been called hedonistic, agnostic, atheist, Catholic, hardline Christian on these boards by other users. One guy even thought I was Buddhist! Seems I can play from all sorts of fields, or at least trick you into thinking I know what I'm talking about.....

Take a guess though! What kind of religious beliefs DO I hold with all my opinions expressed here, and what others have thought about me? Should be a semi-interesting game to interrupt the heavy tone of the thread.....

Am I:
A. Roman Catholic (staunchly Christian beliefs)
a2. Christian (choose my denomination!)
B. Agnostic (weak or strong)
C. Atheist (staunch disbelief)
D. Jewish
etc etc
Feel free to mix and match!

I claim Roman Catholicism, but do my actions reflect my words??? Oooooh! Scooby-Doo mystery!!

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At 3/28/07 02:55 PM, WRB852 wrote: What i am trying to say is that eventually these religions like Christianity and Islam will be crushed by scientific fact. And if your going to try to say that that's never happened before, look at Greek mythology, it has been completely disproven.

Replaced is more the word I would use. Religion is currently shrinking, no doubt about that, but, there are people who would believe in God even if every sense and little particle of their reality said there isn't a God. There will always be, just like there will always be people who doesn't like ice-cream, despite that we all know it is fantastic ^^

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At 3/28/07 03:01 PM, Imperator wrote: Yup, you heard it here folks. Roman Catholic who believes faith is illogical, believes in evolution, and knows their are flaws within the Roman Catholic Church. Yet still defends Catholicism on these boards....hmmm.....

Quite a mesh aren't I?

Well, you get my seal of approval ^^

One question though. Why are you Roman Catholic? Is there any other reason that that you were born into the religion?

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Then I guess we'll just have to shoot them. =D

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At 3/28/07 03:06 PM, WRB852 wrote: Then I guess we'll just have to shoot them. =D

The ice-cream haters or the God believers? ^^

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hmm, that's a tough one

god, or ice cream.....

BOTH! =D

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At 3/28/07 01:56 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

I truely cannot see anything more retarded than placeing your "Faith" in the hands of some dead old fuck who was wanting to consolidate power into the church, creating (can you believe the size of the balls) gods chosen representitive on earth -the pope.

That is catholics, not all the christians.

Can you comprehend the mass insanity of the christians who actually believe that..that Bullshit!

God did not create religions, mankind did.
Can you not see the difference there?
God doesn't choose a pope, the hierarchy of the damn religion does AND its as political as any form of goverment on earth (sad when someone has to point that out to you, come on, think for yourself)

I bet you diddnt read my paragrath about the paple states and the creation of the kingdom of rome. jackass

And by "hierachy of the damn relligion" i assume your talking about the college of cardinals.

I'm not for one second saying or even implying that an omniputent power doesn't exist.

I'm saying *sigh for the 1000th time*
Religion is an invention of man.

I assume it was invented the same time as science, yea and I invented the color blue.

Being invented by man ,it is flawed.

Without flaws there is no progress, read my posts.

All religions are flawed that's where the problem comes into play.
Its not that all religions are bad, they're not all bad, but they are all flawed.

Wich ones are bad? hinduism? Islam? either way they have a higher purpose than you do.

Flawed in that it is not the same thing you believe or flawed as in they all are a bit off of the truth?

So why not attempt to at least see that there are flaws, & don't allow religion to get in the way of our ability to think & reason for ourselves.

How many relligions have forced you to think like them? How many commercials forced you to buy the product?

If your one of those who cannot face the fact your going to die, so you need the crutch or comfort of a place...heaven, reincarnation ,whatever,

Without reincarnation, heaven, whatever, all is vein and pointless.

go with whatever floats your boat. But don't try to get those of us who realise if your religion is flawed chances are good so is your knowledge of what god really expects of us , as well as what comes after death.

At least we are trying.

Scientists may make mistakes, improper or incomplete information may cause errors, but at least when someone in a scientific feild realises there has been a mistake made, they change it & let everyone know. Religions try to show that because its written in this or that book ( in the case of the bible hundreds of years after the fact),that so & so seen this or so & so spoke to god with absolutely no proof it has to be true.

Last time I checked the RNA/DNA Prion thoery is what medical students are told, but there is evidence that Prions dont have RNA/DNA, but that goes against the scientific dogma about RNA/DNA so it is ignored by teachers, despite being wrong. And same thing about the clotis first thoery, and many others.

What can be more retarded than that.

As retarded as the person that does not exersise ther other spectrum of human intelligence, the one that ponders life, the one that freely thinks what one belives, the one that sees flaws in relligion and atheism, the intelligence side of science, the part that makes us human. Because chimps have science to use a stick to get ants from a anthill.

Without relligion, you might as well go back to eating ants with a stick, in reality, with out relligion that is all we ever do.

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Without relligion, you might as well go back to eating ants with a stick, in reality, with out relligion that is all we ever do.

Are you a moron?
Hello?!?!?!
Without science why don't you go back to yelling at lighting?
"Zeus has forsaken me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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btw, eating ants with a stick???
how the hell did religion prevent this?
Did the mental institution grant you a laptop today?

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Zoraxe7: Can you tell us why, exactly, you simply MUST have religion to have a point in your life?

I don't have a religion. I have goals in my life. Am I denial and secretly believe in God while sleepwalking?

If you truly believe you must have something larger than you in order to find meaning with your life, why does that HAVE to be God? Why can't I dedicate my life to make people suffer as little as possible? Why can't I dedicate my life to make humanity grow larger and better?

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At 3/28/07 03:17 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

As retarded as the person that does not exersise ther other spectrum of human intelligence, the one that ponders life, the one that freely thinks what one belives, the one that sees flaws in relligion and atheism, the intelligence side of science, the part that makes us human. Because chimps have science to use a stick to get ants from a anthill.

Without relligion, you might as well go back to eating ants with a stick, in reality, with out relligion that is all we ever do.

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Life , whats the point in pondering life, GO OUT & ENJOY IT!
Looking at flaws in religions, science etc. that's just having fun, while I wait to go to work this evening.
chimps using a stick to get termites by the way .
They were observed getting termites, and by using a stick , it showed they were using a 'tool' to help them get food.
Nothing at all to do with science, but it showed that they understood they could use an inanimate object to extract otherwise unobtainable food.
the rest of your post didn't seem to consider I was responding to imperator, so I don't wish to try to get both of your ..... remarks confused.

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At 3/28/07 02:52 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

I truely cannot see anything more retarded than placeing your "Faith"

Alright, too easy. I'll let this one slide.

of course you'll let it slide, you can pick apart anothers post, but you cannot come up with anything that can be proven to back your claims.

Haha, that wasn't it at all, but now that you've fallen into the trap;

The reason I said it was "too easy" was because your own ineptitude at spelling made you look like a fool. On the one hand you are saying faith is retarded, but in that sentence alone you misspelled "truly" and "placing".......

Can you comprehend the mass insanity of the christians

Over 2 billion people worldwide, about 33% of the world's population. That's quite a few "insane" people if you ask me.....

I didn't ask you . I just gave you the facts & you provided the numbers

You asked if I could "comprehend the mass insanity". I basically said no.

Sure. Can you explain why that's the case instead of just ranting?

Sure?
Sure what?
You can see that its an invention of man. -or- You cannot see a difference?

I can see the difference between the two expressed here "God did not create religions, mankind did.".

Can you answer why there is this difference of opinion?

I fear Dre-man or you as much as I fear being attacked by a puppy

Even Cujo started as a puppy..... ;)

Great answer one of your best so far.

So people with faith are retarded. But.... "omniputent"? Come on....
Told ya you wouldn't see the irony......

Believing that there is an omniputent power-god -if you will, has nothing at all to do with religion.

Now THAT's an interesting reply.....explain! What is it then, if not religion? What does it have to do with, and how does it differ from religion?

Simple, GOD didn't come down & form a religion.

Not according to some people.....(about 83% of the world given by this link)
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.ht m

IF God had of done that there would be only that religion.

What about language barriers, translation issues, etc? I mean, there is a Golden Rule, so maybe that's exactly what happened and man just fucked it up along the way?

All of them are bad, in they attempt to enforce their dogma on everyone.

But you just said "they're not all bad"......you just contradicted yourself......

Hey , look another brilliant answer, wow two of them in one post, your on a roll here.

You too. 3rd attempt to call theists retarded basically being nullified by your own ignorance of Theology......

Look up Ecumenical Council.

Why?

To show you that people haven't let religion get in the way of "our ability to think and reason".

So what are you, Pretty? or sure?

Is English your first language?

So again you don't know so you give a flippent reply about the Jehova's.

Don't know what? You didn't even ask a question. You just made a blatant attack against Christians, FALSLY accusing all of us of forcing our beliefs onto others. I responded, highlighting which group of Christians DOES do that significantly.

Deny this if you will, the Cathlic church is losing followers.

Why would I deny it? Shit, I'll even provide the evidence for you!
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.ht m

Christianity 30 CE The Bible 2,039 million 32% (dropping )

There you go!

You wanna know something that's equally interesting?

No religion
(Note 1) -
None 775 million 12% (dropping)

Atheists No date None 150 million 2%

It is having trouble bringing new nuns & priests into its ranks.

True. What does this have to do with anything?

Heaven & Hell are an invention of the church, since man invented it, I've no worries on that point either way. LOL

That's your opinion, which is fine. I won't try to convince you otherwise.

The word has spread & as we are now seeing, it is shrinking.

Actually, if Agnostic numbers are shrinking as well, then technically it's growing.....

True, but burning heretics didn't get rid of the unbelievers to christianity, like the church leaders hoped , did it. Did the church ever appologize for that oops?

Yeah, I believe they did. Burning Jews didn't get rid of the Jewish Problem, did scientists ever apologise for that oops?

IT is very clear to me anyway that you definately don't think!

Yeah, must be it.....
I'm tired, call yourself a moron this time please.....

Try to give us some understanding of your great all powerful religious beliefs, as for irony you need to work on that.

read up on em yourself if you're interested. I'm not here to convert anyone. Besides, religion is supposed to be a personal journey anyways.

could you actually use some of your own ideas.

I'm pretty sure everything I expressed here WERE my own ideas, at least in as much as they weren't influenced or directly taken from another source.

Don't quote the bible & its words of fiction.

I haven't you jackass! What the fuck is your deal? If you're going to attack me, at least attack me on a point I've actually made! Jesus!

Try and realise any council, group, or organization that doesn't have GOD there in the group.

That's open to interpretation.

Is an invalid source.

What's an invalid source? ENGLISH man! Learn it already!!

If all you can use to rebut me is what has been written by someone else,or told to you by your priest, then I've proven my point.

Unless you can prove I've plagiarized something, you've failed miserably.

Your a brainwashed member of your particular religious group, who's only talent is in spouting what you've been taught & you lack the ability to think reasonably yourself.

hahahahahahah. Good one! I get it now, you're just a moron of the HIGHEST degree!! Shit, even Dre-Man at least made SOME sense......

Fact means nothing to you.

Jesus kid, get a life. This is getting ridiculous......
I at least have EVIDENCE to back up the idea that you're a moron......
You've got NONE to back up that attack there.

So answer this for me.
IF 1 billion of your religions members, all were instructed by the bible to climb to the highest building, bridge or mountain, and throw yourself off it on the same day. Would you do it without question?

No of course not, why would we?

If you answer yes ( and I'm sure you will ,if your the brainwashed religious puppy we all come to love)
You are retarded, as are your fellow believers.

Ahhhh. I think I've figured it out now.......

GO BACK TO GENERAL YOU ASSCLOWN!!!
ASCLOWN ASSCLOWN ASSCLOWN!!!!

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Yeah, I believe they did. Burning Jews didn't get rid of the Jewish Problem, did scientists ever apologise for that oops?

LOL!!!!
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
You think that scientists are responsible for the burning of the jews?...

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At 3/28/07 03:41 PM, WRB852 wrote:

Yeah, I believe they did. Burning Jews didn't get rid of the Jewish Problem, did scientists ever apologise for that oops?

LOL!!!!
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
You think that scientists are responsible for the burning of the jews?...

XD

Can you imagen scientists lining up Jews so they can burn them, "to better understand the universe?"

Science doesn't have goals in that way. Science might invent a method for getting slim really easy, but they won't go out in the media trying to get you to buy it. They may invent a new easy growable food, but they won't go to Africa to plant it. Science aims to find out about stuff. Not do stuff.

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At 3/28/07 03:05 PM, Drakim wrote:
Well, you get my seal of approval ^^

One question though. Why are you Roman Catholic? Is there any other reason that that you were born into the religion?

Well if I told you that would ruin the game......and my fun.....

Take a guess, I'm interested in seeing what people really think my beliefs are like. Just for shits and giggles.

If you truly believe you must have something larger than you in order to find meaning with your life, why does that HAVE to be God? Why can't I dedicate my life to make people suffer as little as possible? Why can't I dedicate my life to make humanity grow larger and better?

I think what the average theist would tell you would be that without God, and the existence of some sort of afterlife, there would be no point, no rational, and no reasoning behind such altruistic acts.

Not being the average theist, I'd ask why you would want to do such things, being fleeting in reward and otherwise unrewarding completely?

What do you hope to gain? If there is no gain (or no perceived gain), by what logic do you do these actions.

religion, whether it be through heaven, enlightenment, karma, etc have a type of "reward system" for such acts. I often find this far too simplistic of an analogy, but I'll use it anyway. Essentially, altruism acts as the means by which theists obtain their goals.

For the atheist however, there is no end goal. You give, you die. That's it. The incentive to do so is missing (although psych kinda has an answer for this) and therefore seems to come in contrast with such things as natural selection and survival of the fittest.

If you say your end goal is simply helping people, there comes the question of why that would be your end goal as to any other, what circumstances did that goal arise within? For religion, it's the moral code, the Golden Rules.

For atheists, there is a moral code, but it's not clear where that arose from, or how it differs from the religious code.

There's also the question of "Good" and "Evil" inherent in this line of discussion, since an atheist perspective effectively negates such an existance of such notions. Hitler's behavior can be described and analyzed through scientific discovery, moreover it can be understood and even justified in some instances, since without such a polarization, one's behavior as "good" or "bad" is simply a matter of perspective.

There's also a kind of lack of reasoning behind atheism I think. All religions teach basically the same things, hence Golden Rules. Contrary to popular opinion, to varying degrees they claim to be the "only" way of rule, I think religions tend to say "our way is BEST" as opposed to "our way is the ONLY way". But there is always some form of "punishment" associated with disbelief, mostly in the form of being excluded from the "Grand Prize". Since religion and science do NOT conflict with each other, it seems odd NOT to hold a belief, just on the offchance of being wrong. It's almost a safety net, or a backup parachute.

If atheists are right, we all die and that's that. theists gain nothing, atheists gain nothing. If theists are right, atheists gain nothing, theists gain EVERYTHING. Essentially atheism here almost seems like just a downright bad choice, an automatic loss. At least with a religious belief you have a chance to gain something at the end of it all. And if religion ends up being wrong, well there's no harm, no foul. Atheists being wrong thus commit a foul, and lose out on the goodies. No piñata for you.

Take your time with this stuff, feel free to answer whatever parts you wish. I think I put a few loaded themes in here that can be discussed in some detail though, so let's have at it!!

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At 3/28/07 03:33 PM, Imperator wrote:

Haha, that wasn't it at all, but now that you've fallen into the trap;

The reason I said it was "too easy" was because your own ineptitude at spelling made you look like a fool. On the one hand you are saying faith is retarded, but in that sentence alone you misspelled "truly" and "placing".......

GRAMMER NAZI, big fuckin deal.

You asked if I could "comprehend the mass insanity". I basically said no.

I've heard that the inmates of the mental asylum don't realise where they are either.

I can see the difference between the two expressed here "God did not create religions, mankind did.".

Can you answer why there is this difference of opinion?

IF god created everything according to most religions, Why didn't he create a religion?
Because he didn't see a need , or probably didn't want to.

Even Cujo started as a puppy..... ;)

Another work of fiction, you really can't help yourself can you?

Believing that there is an omniputent power-god -if you will, has nothing at all to do with religion.

Now THAT's an interesting reply.....explain! What is it then, if not religion? What does it have to do with, and how does it differ from religion?

quote-"What is it then,if not religion" what are you talking about?
A belif that there is a god(s) does not mean I have to have or belive in a religion.

Simple, GOD didn't come down & form a religion.

Not according to some people.....(about 83% of the world given by this link)
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.ht m

What do they know.
If you put the Chinese folk (love that handle) & the non religious & the atheists together we're 21.6 % dude fuck we are in 2nd place...sweet.

IF God had of done that there would be only that religion.

What about language barriers, translation issues, etc? I mean, there is a Golden Rule, so maybe that's exactly what happened and man just fucked it up along the way?

I'm sorry ,I didn't know you were unaware of the 'golden rule' .
I've known it for years, well I like you puppy so I tell you what it is.
THE GOLDEN RULE.
Those with the gold ,make the rules !

All of them are bad, in they attempt to enforce their dogma on everyone.

But you just said "they're not all bad"......you just contradicted yourself......

In the fact that churches help the poor & the sick also many of the members & clergy are caring compassionate people, I can find no bad in that.

Look up Ecumenical Council.

Why?

To show you that people haven't let religion get in the way of "our ability to think and reason".

So what are you, Pretty? or sure?

Is English your first language?Your unsure aren't you.

Don't know what? You didn't even ask a question. You just made a blatant attack against Christians, FALSLY accusing all of us of forcing our beliefs onto others. I responded, highlighting which group of Christians DOES do that significantly.

Much worse in the past, still happening today in places like the southern U.S.

Christianity 30 CE The Bible 2,039 million 32% (dropping )

There you go!

You wanna know something that's equally interesting?

No religion
(Note 1) -
None 775 million 12% (dropping)

Atheists No date None 150 million 2%

It is having trouble bringing new nuns & priests into its ranks.

True. What does this have to do with anything?

The word has spread & as we are now seeing, it is shrinking.

Actually, if Agnostic numbers are shrinking as well, then technically it's growing.....

True, but burning heretics didn't get rid of the unbelievers to christianity, like the church leaders hoped , did it. Did the church ever appologize for that oops?

Yeah, I believe they did. Burning Jews didn't get rid of the Jewish Problem, did scientists ever apologise for that oops?

I believe you've confused scientists with Nazi's here, but your young & I can live with that.

I haven't you jackass! What the fuck is your deal? If you're going to attack me, at least attack me on a point I've actually made! Jesus!

Jesus can't help you he's dead.

Try and realise any council, group, or organization that doesn't have GOD there in the group.

That's open to interpretation.

Is an invalid source.

What's an invalid source? ENGLISH man! Learn it already!!

If all you can use to rebut me is what has been written by someone else,or told to you by your priest, then I've proven my point.

Unless you can prove I've plagiarized something, you've failed miserably.

Your a brainwashed member of your particular religious group, who's only talent is in spouting what you've been taught & you lack the ability to think reasonably yourself.

hahahahahahah. Good one! I get it now, you're just a moron of the HIGHEST degree!! Shit, even Dre-Man at least made SOME sense......

Fact means nothing to you.

Jesus kid, get a life. This is getting ridiculous......
I at least have EVIDENCE to back up the idea that you're a moron......
You've got NONE to back up that attack there.

Go down a bit lower Your ass clown comments are great :-)

So answer this for me.
IF 1 billion of your religions members, all were instructed by the bible to climb to the highest building, bridge or mountain, and throw yourself off it on the same day. Would you do it without question?

No of course not, why would we?

Cause , jesus or god told you to lol.

If you answer yes ( and I'm sure you will ,if your the brainwashed religious puppy we all come to love)
You are retarded, as are your fellow believers.

Ahhhh. I think I've figured it out now.......

GO BACK TO GENERAL YOU ASSCLOWN!!!
ASCLOWN ASSCLOWN ASSCLOWN!!!!

LMAO, the last little bit of you RANT, is a wonderful read. LOL
Thanks for the great laugh, come back when you've something to say that's a little more mature than assclown LMAO &ROTF.

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This thread seriously needs to die...

"There IS a God!"

"NO THERE ISN'T!"

"UHUH!"

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At 3/28/07 03:49 PM, Drakim wrote: Can you imagen scientists lining up Jews so they can burn them, "to better understand the universe?"

Actually, that's essentially what they did. I have two things for you to read that would completely change your view on the Holocaust and the work of German scientists in perpetuating it.

One is a book; Time's Arrow by Martin Amis.
The other is a scholarly work; The Uniqueness and Normalcy of the Holocaust by Zygmunt Bauman.

Science doesn't have goals in that way.

The goal of science is to discover. Often times by any means necessary.

Science aims to find out about stuff. Not do stuff.

Again, hence Human Experimentation.

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dre-man, dre-man, dre-man....
This thread isn't about whether there is a god or not...
it's about what is more reasonable.
Science, or Religion?

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At 3/28/07 04:06 PM, WRB852 wrote: dre-man, dre-man, dre-man....
This thread isn't about whether there is a god or not...
it's about what is more reasonable.
Science, or Religion?

Neither. Science can't explain how the universe was created, and Religion can't be proven by scientific fact.

Are we done now?

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Actually, that's essentially what they did. I have two things for you to read that would completely change your view on the Holocaust and the work of German scientists in perpetuating it.

Haha, Imperator believs everything that he reads...

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Neither. Science can't explain how the universe was created, and Religion can't be proven by scientific fact.

Are we done now?

This isn't about how the universe was created!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I believe you've confused scientists with Nazi's here, but your young & I can live with that.

I think you're just a General guy who got lost up here, but this will be my last point considering you pretty much hold stereotypes against me that merit no intelligent debate whatsoever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_exper imentation
http://www.ijme.in/021br010.html

Scientists were WILLING PARTICIPANTS. Nazi is just a political party, no different than being a Democrat or Rep. If such a situation arose where science was given the authority to explore in whatever ways they wanted, I guarantee we'll see a second Holocaust.

They were scientists first, and Nazis second. They were so preoccupied to find out if they COULD, they didn't stop to think if they SHOULD do such experiments.

Science uncontained perpetrated the Holocaust, invented the A-bomb, methods of mass execution, killing machines, chemicals, and the like. There's a cold and dark spot science shows when it gets its chance, it's a scary thing when you think about it......

At 3/28/07 04:08 PM, WRB852 wrote:

Actually, that's essentially what they did. I have two things for you to read that would completely change your view on the Holocaust and the work of German scientists in perpetuating it.

Haha, Imperator believs everything that he reads...

Age 14. Thought so.....
I did note that one of those was a SCHOLARLY article, did I not?

Don't worry ignorance is bliss. You'll get over it.

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So you think that my age has to do with my opinion?
That thread that you sent me to was made by an ignorant bastard

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At 3/28/07 04:16 PM, Imperator wrote:

I believe you've confused scientists with Nazi's here, but your young & I can live with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_exper imentation

Wili is not a reliable source, You didn't know that?

Scientists were WILLING PARTICIPANTS. Nazi is just a political party, no different than being a Democrat or Rep. If such a situation arose where science was given the authority to explore in whatever ways they wanted, I guarantee we'll see a second Holocaust.

They were scientists first, and Nazis second. They were so preoccupied to find out if they COULD, they didn't stop to think if they SHOULD do such experiments.

I think they should have.
I wish we could get the people on death row ,turned over to scientists who could get better answers, by useing humans instead of rats for their research.

Science uncontained perpetrated the Holocaust, invented the A-bomb, methods of mass execution, killing machines, chemicals, and the like. There's a cold and dark spot science shows when it gets its chance, it's a scary thing when you think about it......

I love it, not scared even a little.
I believe Hitler & his SS generals wanted a better, quicker easier solution to the time consuming slower methods, so they experimented to increase productivity.
Scientific achievments always seem to see large advancements when massive amounts of resources are given to them.
Should do it more often.

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Scientific achievments always seem to see large advancements when massive amounts of resources are given to them.

Should do it more often.

Those times would be WAR. And the resources were used to build bigger planes, better tanks, and faster methods of exterminating the Jews.

Most of the 20th century innovations we appreciate today came out of WWI and II.