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At 2/25/07 03:17 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 2/24/07 09:33 AM, Zoraxe7 wrote: A super whore, i just dont like him...

how can you not like super whores? such easy access.

opps, I mean super man-whore.

At 2/25/07 03:25 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: opps, I mean super man-whore.

still comes down to the same thing doesn't it?

At 2/25/07 03:27 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

still comes down to the same thing doesn't it?

I guess your correct >.<

Firstly, why do people still believe that mankind descended from Adam and Eve in the face of Sheer scientific fact?

And secondly, how long will it be before Science completely disproves the theory of how god made earth and validates the big bang theory?

Thirdly, once that happends, would faithfuls continue to blindly ignore scientific facts and follow disproven religious texts?

1. We don't. Some people are just retarded.
2. Christians will say God made the Big Bang.
3. Yes

We're talking about Evolution and Creationism here, right? I'm too lazy to read back, but what the hell, I'll start my rant...

Evolution is a fact backed up by cogent evidence that is explained by theory because that's how science works. Whether you accept or reject it is up to you. Creationism is a belief that is explained by the Bible alone. Whether you believe in it or not is also up to you. My point is: In evolution the evidence is put into data both physically and theoretically, which have been analyzed and made sense of for several decades over, constantly changing so as to be more accurate over time. In creationism the evidence is testimonial evidence displayed through the Bible which may or may not be the word of God. There is no "evidence" of creationism displayed in any fashion, outside of attempts to disprove evolution. The entire creationist argument is centered 99% on disproving evolution, rather than proving its own "theory" of creationism because, as most usually say, we're not meant to understand God's plan for creation. Or if you want to be blunt: 'I don't know, but I believe you're wrong anyway' mentality.

That's basically my opinion on this matter, based upon my experience with how each side works. Many evolutionary biologists almost never take creationism seriously for a good reason, simple because they've got evidence of their theory, whereas all creationism has sought to do is pop illogical and emotionally driven holes in evolution that have nothing to do with the theory itself. Personally speaking, the whole "vrs" idea of evolution against creation is absurd because the argument comes down to Biblical truth as being capable of being interpretted as scientific truth.

At 2/25/07 08:33 PM, Expl0it wrote: We're talking about Evolution and Creationism here, right? I'm too lazy to read back, but what the hell, I'll start my rant...

Evolution is a fact

Then why is it still called a "theory"?

At 2/25/07 08:37 PM, BlueEyesWhiteDevil wrote:

At 2/25/07 08:33 PM, Expl0it wrote: We're talking about Evolution and Creationism here, right? I'm too lazy to read back, but what the hell, I'll start my rant...

Evolution is a fact

Then why is it still called a "theory"?

*Sigh**Sigh* Technically speaking, nothing can be proved (seeing as we might not even exist and could be in a dream world without knowing it, etc), but I follow that which is possible beyond a reasonable doubt. The evidence for evolution is strikingly overwhelming and the lack of evidence of any gods is as such as well, considering I do not believe the Bible is anything but literature.

Evolution has a lot of documented evidence for it, much more than the contrary evidence, and is therefore regarded as factual theory to me more so than just some humdrum explanation for the way things are. Show some compelling evidence of creationism not directly quoted from the Bible, and you'll make more of a case for it.

At 2/25/07 08:39 PM, Expl0it wrote:

At 2/25/07 08:37 PM, BlueEyesWhiteDevil wrote:

At 2/25/07 08:33 PM, Expl0it wrote: We're talking about Evolution and Creationism here, right? I'm too lazy to read back, but what the hell, I'll start my rant...

Evolution is a fact

Then why is it still called a "theory"?

*Sigh**Sigh* Technically speaking, nothing can be proved (seeing as we might not even exist and could be in a dream world without knowing it, etc), but I follow that which is possible beyond a reasonable doubt. The evidence for evolution is strikingly overwhelming and the lack of evidence of any gods is as such as well, considering I do not believe the Bible is anything but literature.

Evolution has a lot of documented evidence for it, much more than the contrary evidence, and is therefore regarded as factual theory to me more so than just some humdrum explanation for the way things are. Show some compelling evidence of creationism not directly quoted from the Bible, and you'll make more of a case for it.

This is one of those "When you win, you lose" arguments. You could show him actual fossils, carbon-dating records, invent a time machine and go back to the "Big Bang" and take pictures for him, and you still wouldn't change the minds of these people. As Penn Jillette would say "The ones that need to know evolution is fact, already do." He means that people in all fields of science know that evolution is fact. Obviously, the people posting here for the sake of good, ol' Jesus aren't gonna come up with a cure for cancer anytime soon, so it's fine that they believe we die because of talking snakes and magic produce or that Noah could tell whether an aphid had a dick or not without the aid of any lens or prior knowledge of anatomy. Unless you plan on going into a scientific field, even if it's just being an elementary school science teacher, you don't need to know evolution is true. If you're never going to need it, you never need to learn it. Just remember, that flu virus that changes every year was intelligently designed by a loving god as part of his will to draw you closer to your faith; as opposed to a virus mutating, as they tend to, and just happening to catch it by random chance. ELVIS NEVER DID NO DRUGS!

At 2/25/07 08:39 PM, Expl0it wrote:

At 2/25/07 08:37 PM, BlueEyesWhiteDevil wrote:

At 2/25/07 08:33 PM, Expl0it wrote: We're talking about Evolution and Creationism here, right? I'm too lazy to read back, but what the hell, I'll start my rant...

Evolution is a fact

Then why is it still called a "theory"?

*Sigh**Sigh* Technically speaking, nothing can be proved

You have just contradicted yourself with this statement alone.

First off you state that evolution is 'fact', and then you declare that 'nothing' can be 'proven'.

The words 'fact' and 'proof' are synonymous.

Lol; good job. You fixated on one small portion of my post which wasn't even the basis of it, and ignored the rest of the whole fucking thing.

Heh, and funny how you didn't finish quoting the rest of the sentence.

"but I follow that which is possible beyond a reasonable doubt."

Also be sure to read this article should you ever get the chance.

They're no such thing as "facts" and "proof" in natural science, beyond those things that follow directly from their definitions. However, that doesn't mean all 'guesses' for the truth are equally valid. Obviously saying the earth is round is better than saying the earth is a cube. Though they're actually both not 100% correct.

I'm back, more goodies from Dre.

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Seeing as though the only thing you're going to do is post half of what I've actually said, to avoid making an argument that has already been answered by the previous message, I'll wait a month and THEN refute your stupidity on the forum.

I told him GOOD! Since having me post up his drivel is a shabby way of circumventing the rules. A month reprieve of him will do everyone good anyways......

Like it's MY fault I only posted what I wanted the boards to see of my PRIVATE message......

The only thing I have to say is this: Even your Catholic buddies don't believe what you do. None of your fellow Catholics believe that someone may pray to any kind of God or deity regardless of whether he or she exists, as long as they do not put them before God. None. Thus, you're utterly alone in your opinion on that one.

lol. He's a crack riot.....

I hope his mommy finds out he's been playing on the internet and grounds him.....

Have fun riding your bike to the candy store Professor Dre. Oh, and that feeling you get when girls talk to you is normal, don't worry about it for now......

At 2/26/07 01:06 AM, Imperator wrote: lol. He's a crack riot.....

since when is what people believe an issue when we're discussing what was written?

At 2/26/07 01:38 AM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 2/26/07 01:06 AM, Imperator wrote: lol. He's a crack riot.....

since when is what people believe an issue when we're discussing what was written?

since what was written was not what my beliefs are. I asked him a question regarding the language of the Ten Commandments and he took that as me believing in Polytheism.

It would be no different than if I took your previous post above and made the assumption that you are an oppressor of religious freedom. 100% unfounded.

At 2/26/07 01:53 AM, Imperator wrote:

since when is what people believe an issue when we're discussing what was written?

true, its either atheism or theism here to discuss.

since what was written was not what my beliefs are. I asked him a question regarding the language of the Ten Commandments and he took that as me believing in Polytheism.

He just wanted to insult you. Not that anything is wrong in being polytheistic ^.^

It would be no different than if I took your previous post above and made the assumption that you are an oppressor of religious freedom. 100% unfounded.

agreed.

At 2/26/07 05:35 PM, Akatsuki321 wrote: LOL christians, If you don't believe in my god, ill kill you. thats their policy.

lol. John Paul II. "Why can't we be friends" mission to Jews and Muslims to unite the 3 religions in peace.

Anther professional who still rides his bike.....

maybe you can hang with Dre and swap baseball cards to put in your spokes before coming here to tear apart the big bad college man.....

At 2/26/07 05:38 PM, Imperator wrote: maybe you can hang with Dre and swap baseball cards to put in your spokes before coming here to tear apart the big bad college man.....

LOL

*wipes tear from eye*

I love you Imperator....

It's interesting to talk about and all, but isn't this kind of a futile argument? And not just because of either sides' stubborness, too. Much more likely than not, evolution exists, it just makes perfect sense. But it's physically impossible to either prove or disprove God, so unless God himself suddenly shows up, no amount of logic or faith can make one side win. Just believe what you believe, and let other people believe what they want to believe. Unless it's just a cult with absolutely no religious or moral value, like Scientology or the Flying Spaghetti Monster and such. But who gives a fuck what I say, continue the scuffle :)

At 2/26/07 01:53 AM, Imperator wrote: since what was written was not what my beliefs are. I asked him a question regarding the language of the Ten Commandments and he took that as me believing in Polytheism.

but what i meant was that we aren't trying to say that the Bible says to believe in many gods but that the way it is written allows for it to be interpretted in a way that leaves the existence of other gods a possibility.

At 2/26/07 05:35 PM, Akatsuki321 wrote: LOL christians, If you don't believe in my god, ill kill you. thats their policy.

Hay, shut up or you will become the subsitute Dre-man.

At 2/26/07 06:15 PM, Peter-II wrote:

At 2/26/07 05:38 PM, Imperator wrote: maybe you can hang with Dre and swap baseball cards to put in your spokes before coming here to tear apart the big bad college man.....

LOL

*wipes tear from eye*

I love you Imperator....

Im in High Scool... am i discluded?

At 2/26/07 07:38 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 2/26/07 06:15 PM, Peter-II wrote:

At 2/26/07 05:38 PM, Imperator wrote: maybe you can hang with Dre and swap baseball cards to put in your spokes before coming here to tear apart the big bad college man.....

LOL

*wipes tear from eye*

I love you Imperator....

Im in High Scool... am i discluded?

Well you don't seem to insist on being able to tear apart college students working in fields relevant to the argument, so no.

Why, we can all laugh at Dre together!

At 2/27/07 03:47 PM, Peter-II wrote:

Well you don't seem to insist on being able to tear apart college students working in fields relevant to the argument, so no.

Why, we can all laugh at Dre together!

Huzzah!

At 2/27/07 03:47 PM, Peter-II wrote:

Why, we can all laugh at Dre together!

Together, individually, what's the difference? It's all just good family fun!

At 2/26/07 05:35 PM, Akatsuki321 wrote: LOL christians, If you don't believe in my god, ill kill you. thats their policy.

LOL you silly jap.

At 2/25/07 08:37 PM, BlueEyesWhiteDevil wrote:

Evolution is a fact

Then why is it still called a "theory"?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fac t.html

First of all, your definition of theory differs than the peer reviewed theory of a scientific community. Read through the above article I linked to for a better understanding of what's going on.

The mechanisms of evolution such as natural selection are still being understood and studied, and that is what constitutes the theory of evolution. The fact of evolution is its existence.

It is much like the theory of gravity. It's understanding to this day is still being understood. But it's existence is very much alive.

At 2/28/07 01:39 PM, AvocadoClock wrote:

At 2/25/07 08:37 PM, BlueEyesWhiteDevil wrote:

Evolution is a fact

Then why is it still called a "theory"?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fac t.html

Your source describes evolution as both a 'theory' and a 'fact'.

Let's examine the two words, shall we?

Main Entry: theory
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: belief

Antonyms: FACT, proof, reality
Source

Whoa! Square-circles, much?

At 2/28/07 01:55 PM, BlueEyesWhiteDevil wrote: Your source describes evolution as both a 'theory' and a 'fact'.

You didn't refute anything I said, and I don't think you understand. How do you propose that gravity can't be a fact and a theory? It is held as such afterall. And as I said before, you definition of theory is much different than that used by the scientific community.

Evolution is a multi-faceted word.

As I said before, the mechanisms of evolution such as natural selection are still being understood and studied, and that is what constitutes the theory of evolution. The fact of evolution is its existence.