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At 2/9/07 10:46 AM, Dre-Man wrote: You are not of my kind, you betray Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit, and the Saints. not just the Christians.
That nasty Catholic education turned you into a son of Satan, as St. Matthew Chapter 23 describes.

Guys, guys, peace. Dre-Man, you are going off topic, can we just stop calling catholics satan worshipers and get back to what we normally do; attacking atheists for being intolerant.

At 2/9/07 10:46 AM, Dre-Man wrote: Ah yes, taking "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me" literally makes me a fundamentalist...

Ah yes, bashing Catholics makes you the shining example of what a Christian should be.....

I would write more, but I don't have enough characters to do so. As you can see, I do have quite a knowledge of the Bible, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to pull that scripture out of my ass. Now, all of the things said in the book of St. Matthew Chapter 23 are both history and prophecy, of both the Pharisees, the early, and late Catholic church. Woe unto you.

5 minutes on Google does not give you carnal knowledge of the bible.
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/pharisee.htm
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/with/keyword/pha risee/
http://www.bibleprophesy.org/heretics.htm

You are not of my kind, you betray Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit, and the Saints. not just the Christians.

Yup, REAL friendly for a Christian. No wonder people think we're assholes......

I said you PRAY to the Saints, which you do. I did not say you WORSHIPPED the Saints. Stop shoving words in my mouth.

At 2/7/07 08:29 PM, Dre-Man wrote:
And I'm sure you being Catholic as you mentioned adds to your ability to interpret the bible infinately better than me or anyone else. Especially since you completely contradict the bible by worshiping the saints and practicing idolatry.

PG 13, about a quarter of the way down, your own post. "Worshiping the saints and practicing idolatry".

Game. Set. Match. Imperator.

Sux not having an edit button doesn't it?

l-o-l. You base on ignorance that I haven't studied Christianity before, which I have.

At age 14 you are NOT at the level where you can read dissertations on theories of the Catholic Church. I want class listings, degrees, professor's names and credentials if you're going to claim you've studied Catholicism seriously. Otherwise, BACK OFF!

For instance, I know that the early Catholics invented the Sabbath being on Sunday, which is actually on a Saturday. They also invented Christmas, Halloween, all of which were pagan holidays, which they molded into Christian holidays over the years, and thereby polluted our faith with pagan traditions.

Part truths, whole lies. Christmas is purely Christian, and the original date was not December 25th. It was moved to that date later as a counter to a Pagan festival. Later on it was moved back to its original date.....then moved back to Dec 25 again, where it remains to this day.

The birth, sacrafice, and resurrection of Jesus Christ isn't an original idea to begin with. Connections can be found to a host of Pagan religions, including sun gods, Mithras, Isis and Osiris, and a host of others. Even if we did "pollute" it, it was polluted to begin with......

10-20? More like 500-1000.

Proof? In that case, I have a MA in Theology. I win. (see, I can make up shit too.....).

That nasty Catholic education turned you into a son of Satan, as St. Matthew Chapter 23 describes.

Calling your brother Catholic "son of Satan"......aren't you supposed to be praying for the repose of my soul and NOT bashing me?

Ah yes, The U.S., Mexico, France, Switzerland, France, England, Scottland, Wales, Italy, Germany, Austria, and Turkey. All within a 3 block radius of my home! WOW! Maybe YOU should learn not to make generalizations about people.

I call Bullshit. I want proof you've not only been to those places, but been there to study Catholicism. All before reaching age 14, that's mighty impressive.

Take things for what is said, not who is saying them, Pharisee.

Historian. Looking at our sources is a major part of my job description. Frankly, your sources are shaky at best.

Not really...

Good. I'm done. You've essentially stopped debating actual topics now, which is what I wanted. I think I've done a fine job of showing to any new guy who comes here and looks at the last 3 pages of this thread that you are not to be trusted. My work is complete.

Peace out Judas, keep lookin for that bag'o'silver on the horizon.

At 2/9/07 10:20 AM, morefngdbs wrote: ;
No I never insulted you.
I just get tired of his constant pounding of the bible as if its the do all and end all for religious argument..

Believe me, so do I.

Even after he admits that editing & translation may have caused distortion, or mistranslated meaning.

Don't worry, we all don't have those views.

But I didn't give a shit if I insultted you I just wanted to be clear I AM THAT AGAINST THE BIBLE.
does that clear it up... shit for brains?

I truely dislike that heavily edited, mistranslated work of FICTION.

If the quality of the paper in the bible was better, It would be very useful in blowing my nose or wipeing my ass.
as it is its not much good for anything at all.

That was what I was responding to primarily. I just want you to realize that 2.1 billion people believe the book is good for something, whereas at most 1.1 billion take your viewpoint.

Maybe you should look at it again, since clearly a large number of people think it's good for something more than tissue paper......

At 2/9/07 01:20 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 2/9/07 10:46 AM, Dre-Man wrote:

Ah yes, taking "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me" literally makes me a fundamentalist...

Ah yes, bashing Catholics makes you the shining example of what a Christian should be.....

Catholics are barely Christian.

I would write more, but I don't have enough characters to do so. As you can see, I do have quite a knowledge of the Bible, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to pull that scripture out of my ass. Now, all of the things said in the book of St. Matthew Chapter 23 are both history and prophecy, of both the Pharisees, the early, and late Catholic church. Woe unto you.

5 minutes on Google does not give you carnal knowledge of the bible.
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/pharisee.htm
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/with/keyword/pha risee/
http://www.bibleprophesy.org/heretics.htm

I pulled that right off of a King James, bub.

You are not of my kind, you betray Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit, and the Saints. not just the Christians.

Yup, REAL friendly for a Christian. No wonder people think we're assholes......

Since when did I claim to be friendly?

I said you PRAY to the Saints, which you do. I did not say you WORSHIPPED the Saints. Stop shoving words in my mouth.

At 2/7/07 08:29 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

And I'm sure you being Catholic as you mentioned adds to your ability to interpret the bible infinately better than me or anyone else. Especially since you completely contradict the bible by worshiping the saints and practicing idolatry.

PG 13, about a quarter of the way down, your own post. "Worshiping the saints and practicing idolatry".

Game. Set. Match. Imperator.

Great, I used the wrong word. You PRAY to the Saints, that's a fact, and that's why you contradict the teachings of God.

Sux not having an edit button doesn't it?

Hmm, didn't Togukawa already say that? Figures...

l-o-l. You base on ignorance that I haven't studied Christianity before, which I have.

At age 14 you are NOT at the level where you can read dissertations on theories of the Catholic Church. I want class listings, degrees, professor's names and credentials if you're going to claim you've studied Catholicism seriously. Otherwise, BACK OFF!

At the age of 20 you're only 6 years older than me, not that much more life experience! Simply because you drive a car, pay rent, taxes, and other shit, does not mean that you are more intelligent or even more mature than ANY 14 year old.

For instance, I know that the early Catholics invented the Sabbath being on Sunday, which is actually on a Saturday. They also invented Christmas, Halloween, all of which were pagan holidays, which they molded into Christian holidays over the years, and thereby polluted our faith with pagan traditions.

Part truths, whole lies. Christmas is purely Christian, and the original date was not December 25th. It was moved to that date later as a counter to a Pagan festival. Later on it was moved back to its original date.....then moved back to Dec 25 again, where it remains to this day.

Christmas is not Christian, show me in the Bible a verse that mentions Christmas. As a matter of fact, the Bible tells us NOT to decorate trees, a very blatantly obvious tradition involved with Christmas!

The birth, sacrafice, and resurrection of Jesus Christ isn't an original idea to begin with. Connections can be found to a host of Pagan religions, including sun gods, Mithras, Isis and Osiris, and a host of others. Even if we did "pollute" it, it was polluted to begin with......

10-20? More like 500-1000.

Proof? In that case, I have a MA in Theology. I win. (see, I can make up shit too.....).

Proof? In that case I call bullshit. MA in Theology at 20, impressive... lol.

That nasty Catholic education turned you into a son of Satan, as St. Matthew Chapter 23 describes.

Calling your brother Catholic "son of Satan"......aren't you supposed to be praying for the repose of my soul and NOT bashing me?

I pray every night that my enemies might actually see the light one day.

Ah yes, The U.S., Mexico, France, Switzerland, France, England, Scottland, Wales, Italy, Germany, Austria, and Turkey. All within a 3 block radius of my home! WOW! Maybe YOU should learn not to make generalizations about people.

I call Bullshit. I want proof you've not only been to those places, but been there to study Catholicism. All before reaching age 14, that's mighty impressive.

I don't give a damn what you say, my dad's in the military, he goes all around the world on different assignments, and we follow him wherever he goes. You don't believe me, fine, but you definately don't have enough ground to call me inexperienced.

Take things for what is said, not who is saying them, Pharisee.

Historian. Looking at our sources is a major part of my job description. Frankly, your sources are shaky at best.

A Catholic calling the Bible shaky? For shame.

Not really...

Good. I'm done. You've essentially stopped debating actual topics now, which is what I wanted. I think I've done a fine job of showing to any new guy who comes here and looks at the last 3 pages of this thread that you are not to be trusted. My work is complete.

l-o-l

Peace out Judas, keep lookin for that bag'o'silver on the horizon.

What?

Dre-man, Were do you get off saying catholics are barly christians? Im not catholic but i dont like how you say things like that.

And just look at the late Pope John Paul II, he was a prime example of christianity of our age.

Atheist, same goes to you, stop saying that science is on your side, its not, its insulting to say that to me.

Anyway there are so few atheists compared to theists that moast people can just say 'we dont care'to what you say, and BANG, Atheism has no influence on anything, its not like there are atheists groups that have done anything to help the world, like so many relligion based groups have done, like feed the children.

At 1/18/07 10:37 AM, DJ-Jerakai wrote: Ok, so religion has the bible, the koran, the holy scriptures and so fourth and so on, but Science has everything else plus logic.

Science has disproved many Christian theories, such as the evolution of man, contrary to the theory of Adam and Eve.

So! This raises several questions.
Firstly, why do people still believe that mankind descended from Adam and Eve in the face of Sheer scientific fact?

And secondly, how long will it be before Science completely disproves the theory of how god made earth and validates the big bang theory?

Thirdly, once that happends, would faithfuls continue to blindly ignore scientific facts and follow disproven religious texts?

Any other questions?

Any answers?

Quite frankly i don't believe that the whole adam and eva story is so kind of indacation that is how humans were made. It think it is all a story with lessons in it cuz dinosaurs were here for 64 million years and according too science we weren't around during that time so adam and eva thing i don't think, is true

The Herbrews diddnt know about dinosaurs moron.

At 2/9/07 04:30 PM, Tom2010 wrote: Quite frankly i don't believe that the whole adam and eva story is so kind of indacation that is how humans were made. It think it is all a story with lessons in it cuz dinosaurs were here for 64 million years and according too science we weren't around during that time so adam and eva thing i don't think, is true

Does it say humans were created first, before any other organism? Ever notice how within a few generations entire civilizations of non-Jewish surround the descendants of Adam and Eve? Maybe Genesis is the story of the origin of the God's people-- not people a whole.

At 2/9/07 04:39 PM, Draconias wrote:
Does it say humans were created first, before any other organism? Ever notice how within a few generations entire civilizations of non-Jewish surround the descendants of Adam and Eve? Maybe Genesis is the story of the origin of the God's people-- not people a whole.

I think you might be onto something here......

The usual interpretations are that God created world, animals, then Adam, then Eve. But with the idea that God only created HIS people, we add a new element........

I'd have to look more in depth into Judaism and understand Hebrew and look at the texts in their original before I could comment further though........

At 2/9/07 03:43 PM, Dre-Man wrote: At the age of 20 you're only 6 years older than me, not that much more life experience! Simply because you drive a car, pay rent, taxes, and other shit, does not mean that you are more intelligent or even more mature than ANY 14 year old.

You say that like 6 years isn't more than half of your total life experience. The years between 14 and 20 are possibly the most stunning years of discovery outside of your first three. The transition through puberty into the real world, supporting yourself is one of the most dynamic anfd volitile you'll ever go through. And only once you've emerged out the other side will you really understand our point of view.

And does bills, cars and taxes make him more intelligent? No (though he is)... more mature? Most certainly. Don't worry... when I was your age I thought the same thing... then I grew up and realized all the shit I had glossed over in my youthful naivete. Imperator has a much better grasp of religion, not just yours, than most people you'll ever meet, and is about the most level-headed christian you'll find (especially on these boards). I don't say that to polish his knob or anything... he just straight up knows his shit. One of the only religious people I've debated on these boards for whom I respect.

I don't give a damn what you say, my dad's in the military, he goes all around the world on different assignments, and we follow him wherever he goes. You don't believe me, fine, but you definately don't have enough ground to call me inexperienced.

We only need one ground on which to call you inexperienced... your age. Like it or not you just do not have the time needed on this earth to have enough experience in this field. People spend tens of years debating, researching, trying to find the answers to the questions you believe you have figured out in a couple years of reading the bible. Get off your high horse and realize that yours isn't the only valid point of view on this subject.

At 2/9/07 05:48 PM, Ravariel wrote: You say that like 6 years isn't more than half of your total life experience.

*isn't almost half...

before the math nazis get me...

At 2/9/07 03:43 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

Catholics are barely Christian.

"Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should ... With you, where there is none of these things to attract or keep me... No one shall move me from the faith which binds my mind with ties so many and so strong to the Christian religion... For my part, I should not believe the gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church."
— St. Augustine (354–430): Against the Epistle of Manichaeus called Fundamental, chapter 4: Proofs of the Catholic Faith

Many of those who apply the term "Catholic Church" to all Christians indiscriminately object to this use of the term to designate what they view as only one denomination within what they see as the "whole" Catholic Church. However, the Roman Catholic Church considers itself to be the Catholic Church, with others as "non-Catholics", and regularly refers to itself as the Catholic Church. This practice is in application of the belief that not all who claim to be Christians are part of the Catholic Church - a belief that goes back to Saint Ignatius of Antioch, the earliest known writer to use the term Catholic Church - and that communion with the Roman Pontiff is essential for membership.

As much as I despise the site...this information was validated for me. Clicky.

From what I see there, Christian and Catholic are generally the same thing. The only people that try to avoid the term are Protestants who replace the term Catholic with Christian.

"Some Protestant Churches avoid using the term completely, to the extent among many Lutherans of reciting the Creed with the word "Christian" in place of "Catholic". [5][6][7] The Orthodox Churches share some of the concerns about Roman Catholic papal claims, but disagree with some Protestants about the nature of the Church as one body. For some, to use the word "Catholic" at all is to appear to give credence to papal claims."

Great, I used the wrong word. You PRAY to the Saints, that's a fact, and that's why you contradict the teachings of God.

Yea....Catholicism and Christianity both have no prayers that call for the aid of the saints to 'contradict the teachings of God.'

St. Michael the Archangel
St. Christopher
Mary
Jesus
St. Peter
St. Jude
St. Paul

I think that's enough for now. If you want more Google it yourself.

At the age of 20 you're only 6 years older than me, not that much more life experience! Simply because you drive a car, pay rent, taxes, and other shit, does not mean that you are more intelligent or even more mature than ANY 14 year old.

Dre-Man, you won't understand until you've gone through high school and have gone through a little bit if college (especially after the first college report card). After you turn 16, you really go through a lot of important realizations that are going to impact you for the rest of your life and no one will ever know it until they've already gone through it. You'll realize it one day. It's really going to be a 'foot in my your mouth' experience.

Christmas is not Christian, show me in the Bible a verse that mentions Christmas. As a matter of fact, the Bible tells us NOT to decorate trees, a very blatantly obvious tradition involved with Christmas!

History of Christmas

Christmas is not purly any religion. It's a catalyst used to unite all the branches under Catholicism, Christianity, etc to celebrate the birth of Jesus and the message he gave to the world.

:That nasty Catholic education turned you into a son of Satan, as St. Matthew Chapter 23 describes.

I pray every night that my enemies might actually see the light one day.

You're not supposed to just pray but you're supposed to go out and try to make them realize the fallacy of their ways through good works and forgiveness, not harsh words and demoralization. Do you have any idea what it means to be Christian or Catholic? Clearly, you don't truly live through your religion. Either that or you're age and inexperience in the world is overcoming your faith.

I don't give a damn what you say, my dad's in the military, he goes all around the world on different assignments, and we follow him wherever he goes. You don't believe me, fine, but you definately don't have enough ground to call me inexperienced.

I was a military brat too. So I can relate to what you're saying and you would have more experience than most people your age. 3 years in and 3 years out can really get you through a lot of places before you go to college. The only thing that you have against you is that you're still only 14. You have a tremendous amount of learning to do before you can really boast true life experience. Just moving around doesn't mean you know everything about the world and the inner workings of things like religion. So while others on this site may not have the grounds to call you inexperienced, I do.

A Catholic calling the Bible shaky? For shame.

The bible is rather shaky due to the fact that it's a 'selected compilation' of things that happened well over a thousand years ago, specifically constructed to empower the people who follow the faith. The faith that someone puts into their religion and the interpretations of the Bible that they themselves find is what makes it important.

look i am not a catholic so i don't know but don't they prey to God and Jesus too? So what is Dre-man bitching about, and technically we don't even know what the bible said originally since it was translated from Arabic (don't quote me on it I'm not up on my theology). So if Protestants worship God and if Catholics believe in God why cant we all just get along.

At 2/9/07 07:11 PM, major-shake wrote: look i am not a catholic so i don't know but don't they prey to God and Jesus too?

Pretty much everything under Catholicism and Christianity prays to God, Mary, Jesus, the saints, the angel Gabriel, etc.

So what is Dre-man bitching about, and technically we don't even know what the bible said originally since it was translated from Arabic (don't quote me on it I'm not up on my theology).

Actually, I'm almost completely sure that the bible was first written in Latin, not Arabic. Latin is considered to be the Holy Language and is the language spoken in the Vatican.

i just thought that since the area of the world it is in.
Oh and also that i thought i heard a while back that they found some religious scrolls written in Arabic.

At 2/9/07 07:15 PM, random8982 wrote: Pretty much everything under Catholicism and Christianity prays to God, Mary, Jesus, the saints, the angel Gabriel, etc.

As pointed out, respect and reverence is a bit different from worship. Dre doesn't get this, which is why even though we say Hail Mary's, it's still not considered Mary Worship.

Actually, I'm almost completely sure that the bible was first written in Latin, not Arabic. Latin is considered to be the Holy Language and is the language spoken in the Vatican.

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The New Testament was written in Greek. Latin is considered the Holy Language because the Vatican derives themselves from Peter and the bishops of Rome, hence Roman Catholicism.

At 2/9/07 07:31 PM, Imperator wrote:

As pointed out, respect and reverence is a bit different from worship. Dre doesn't get this, which is why even though we say Hail Mary's, it's still not considered Mary Worship.

Oh you don't have to convince me of it...year's of CCD have convinced me haha.

The New Testament was written in Greek. Latin is considered the Holy Language because the Vatican derives themselves from Peter and the bishops of Rome, hence Roman Catholicism.

Isn't Latin the language that was spoken in Greece and the Roman Empire though? If it wasn't pure Latin it surely must have been a similar dialect to the one spoken in Rome.

Isn't Latin the language that was spoken in Greece and the Roman Empire though? If it wasn't pure Latin it surely must have been a similar dialect to the one spoken in Rome.

Nope. In Greece the language was ancient Greek (with different dialects). In the Roman Empire things are a little more complicated.....

Since citizenship laws extende to a lot of non-Romans throughout the centuries, Latin wasn't the only official language. The legions in Gaul, for example, spoke Gallic (since the soliders themselves were Gauls).

In Italy and a bit outside, Latin was the language.

In Greece and Asia Minor, Greek was the primary languages. Hence the Professional Classics scholar's biggest complaint against Gibson's Passion: The soldiers should have been speaking Greek, not Latin!

Traditionally, all Roman elites studied both Latin and Greek at young ages, and spoke both languages quite fluently. This is the effect of "hellenization" of the Romans, the effect of the conquered on the conquerors. The Roman fascination with all things Greek meant in that region of the world (extended to Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and even India thanks to Alexander the Great) Greek was the language of the people, the state, and the legion.

In fact, up till recently, the western borders of Turkey (on the Aegean Sea) were STILL speaking Greek.....

Rome didn't operate like other empires, that imposed culture on their subjects. They were much more lax in this regard, and often assimilated their subjects' culture instead of imposing their own Roman virtues. Hence the reason the Empire lasted so long, grew so big, and did so much. Also a good indication of how Christianity came to replace Paganism as the official religion......

At 2/9/07 07:02 PM, uberSunGod wrote:

this town ain't big enough fer two sun gods.

At 2/9/07 11:33 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 2/9/07 07:02 PM, uberSunGod wrote:

this town ain't big enough fer two sun gods.

Oh HELL no! Spaghetti Westerns meet Toga movies:

"The Good, the bad, and Ben-Hur"?
"A Fistful of Drachma"?
"The Outlaw Julius Velites"?

At 2/9/07 05:24 PM, Imperator wrote:

I think you might be onto something here......

The usual interpretations are that God created world, animals, then Adam, then Eve. But with the idea that God only created HIS people, we add a new element........

I'd have to look more in depth into Judaism and understand Hebrew and look at the texts in their original before I could comment further though........

If that were so (which it isn't) where did the "rest" of the people come from?
Theres not easy religous answer.

But science clearly leads the way.

God is black. He also looks like Morgan Freeman.

At 2/10/07 10:37 AM, DJ-Jerakai wrote: If that were so (which it isn't) where did the "rest" of the people come from?
Theres not easy religous answer.

But science clearly leads the way.

Ah yes. SCIENCE! It clearly tells me how the Big Bang came about, how the material for the Big Bang occurred, and how life on this planet started, as well as the Purpose of Life............oh wait.......

well the whole point of having faith is to belive in somthing no matter how many odd's or logic is against it, thats basically what religion is, is to worship someone, somthing, or a group of beings without any need of having proof that he/she/they/it exists, you believe in them because you have faith in them, and ever since the beggining of man, religion has been an imporrtant part of our sosciety. For example: entire countries have been swayed into war because of religion. Also many types of propaganda includ the use of religion. Such as the civil rights movment in the U.S. and I quote "All men are equal in the eyes of God" in other words no matter what the scientific community tells the world, there are going to be people somewhere who will still have their faiths and religions as well as people who will use these faiths to influence people to join or go against different groups of people. So even if everything about God or any other religion is said to be fairy tale and fantasy there are going to be people who worship the ideales of realigion, the powers of God(s) and the reliefs of the after life, because in a way religion helps keep our society safe, peacefull, and calm, such as "thou shall not take the life of another" or "thou shall love thy neihboer, as thy loves self" help keep a sense of order to the community.

At 2/10/07 12:33 PM, Jesus-made-me-do-it wrote: God is black. He also looks like Morgan Freeman.

Morgan Freeman is God; Samuel L. Jackson and Chuck Norris are his divine enforcers, constantly battling the evil hordes of Sagget.

At 2/10/07 03:19 PM, Imperator wrote:

Ah yes. SCIENCE! It clearly tells me how the Big Bang came about, how the material for the Big Bang occurred, and how life on this planet started.

Thats right... it does :|

At 1/18/07 11:21 AM, Peter-II wrote: Arguably, religion and science aren't mutually exclusive, and anything out of a religion that science has disproven is just a "theistic metaphor"...

But, to me, it'd be weird if God created the big bang and arranged it so the dust and gas blew out, formed other elements, attracted to each other due to gravity, formed trillions upon trillions of galaxies, each composed of billions of stars, just so that, BILLIONS of years later, in a very minor, completely insignificant but still gigantic galaxy, on a minor planet in one of millions, possibly billions of solar systems amongst that galaxy, a load of complex shit happened in primeval oceans with self-producing RNA molecules formed the very first, very simple cells, which then evolved over millions of years to form complex cells, which then evolved to form multicellular life, which then evolved to form invertebrates, then vertebrates, then simple fish, then amphibians, then reptiles, then mammals, and then, millions upon millions of years later, the first apes, which steadily evolved into humans as we know today, which started to build societies over tens of thousands of years, all the while worshipping false gods, ALL so that this one Jew could die for everyone's else sins and "God's plan could be fulfilled", by which I mean us fucking up our planet and blowing each other's brains out.

I mean, wouldn't it be easier if he just created humans straight away if they're the purpose of the ENTIRE FUCKING UNIVERSE, rather than doing all this dramatic cosmological bullshit?

Dude.....that is quite possibly the most sensible thing I've read in quite some time. No sarcasm either I'm totally serious. Your post combined GOOD logic with reasonable intelligence and still were able to put your own opinion and express anger all at the same time. Nothing has made quite as much sense as your post did for me in quite a long while. Seriously, your post could change the minds of a LOT of religious buffs.

At 2/10/07 11:45 PM, phantom-drummer wrote: Seriously, your post could change the minds of a LOT of religious buffs.

I doubt it.

:/

It was a well thought out post though, you must admit at least that much.