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Poxpower. Everything is nonsense.

Stop using moot terms.

Creation

Is there any evidence of anything being created from nothing.
Yes.

Virtual Particles and the Universe its self in the Big Bang.

Anything Else.
No.

Evolution
Is there any evidence of anything evolving.
Yes.

From the Universe to the smallest atom.

The Universe evolved from a single point to the universe we see today.
Galaxies evolved from Clouds of Dust, Irregular, Spiral, to eliptical galaxies
Stars evolved from the first Hydrogen stars to the Heavy stars found today.
Planets evolved around stars from Clouds of Gas and Dust.
Continents evolved on the Earth by continental drift.

Evolution is not a Religion.
Evolution is not a Hypothesis.
Evolution is not a Theory.
Evolution is a FACT.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

At 7/28/08 06:01 PM, Orion3 wrote: Evolution is not a Theory.

It is a theory, which obviously doesn't mean it's wrong or in process of being proven, though.

Devils Advocte

Creation is FACT.

ALL life on Earth was created THE SAME DAY. And were living AT THE SAME TIME.
ALL stars were created AT THE SAME TIME. And on THE SAME DAY.
ALL continents were created WHERE THEY NOW SIT.

ALL three of these Creation "Facts" have been disproven.

If all live was created on the same day. Then within 100 years of creation the normal lifespan of the animals would have created a layer of fossils so thick that Creation would be the only explanation. Why? Because it would have ALL life in it, In the same layer. This has never been found.

If all stars were created The Same Day. Then there shouldnt be any Novas and Supernovas yet. Why? (that quesion creationists hate) Because according to them the universe is only around 6000 years old.

IF all Continents were created where they now stand. Then the continents shouldnt be moving. And I'm not even going to get into the problem with matching stratta, fossils, and coastlines.

Lets seperate what has been proven from what is a theory.

Give me 1 creation idea proven to be FACT.

At 7/18/08 02:27 AM, dySWN wrote: I'm going to go ahead and guess that you're new around these parts.

Some of us have been making this point for years, but it does little to bring people off their high horses in terms of whether or not they believe in some higher power. In short, you get an A for effort, but nothing you or I can do will stop the endless cycle of arguments here.

Amen. When you attack a Christian for faith, especially a "born again" or some damn thing like that, they consider it a "test of faith", and you actually INCREASE their resolve to be religious, not lower it.

You push them further towards insanity, and becoming suiciding idiots, because martyring yourself is ALWAYS the ultimate test of faith in Abrahamic religions.

So please, don't try to convert people unless you really, REALLY know what the hell you're doing, because we've already got Jesus Camps training "holy warriors", and Pat Robertson; let's not push it......

The intention is good, but the "help" does the opposite. Just like trying to clean up red wine off the sofa just spreads the stain.....

Glad to see Heathenry still alive, I'll have to check that one later tonight....

At 7/28/08 06:39 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 7/18/08 02:27 AM, dySWN wrote: I'm going to go ahead and guess that you're new around these parts.

Some of us have been making this point for years, but it does little to bring people off their high horses in terms of whether or not they believe in some higher power. In short, you get an A for effort, but nothing you or I can do will stop the endless cycle of arguments here.

Amen. When you attack a Christian for faith, especially a "born again" or some damn thing like that, they consider it a "test of faith", and you actually INCREASE their resolve to be religious, not lower it.

You push them further towards insanity, and becoming suiciding idiots, because martyring yourself is ALWAYS the ultimate test of faith in Abrahamic religions.

So please, don't try to convert people unless you really, REALLY know what the hell you're doing, because we've already got Jesus Camps training "holy warriors", and Pat Robertson; let's not push it......

The intention is good, but the "help" does the opposite. Just like trying to clean up red wine off the sofa just spreads the stain.....

Glad to see Heathenry still alive, I'll have to check that one later tonight....

Well, as Richard Dawkins has recorded on his website, just voicing the alternative opinion, showing that it's there and alive, helps a lot. I'm not just talking about fence sitters jumping over, but people afraid to speak up, and people on the other side who are in complete ignorance as to what atheism is (I mean, there are STILL people who thinks atheists openly worhips the devil)

But come on dood... I know biblical sheeit is hard to believe I mean the savior frikken ressurected and Mary was a virgin mother? it's extremely hard to believe, but I would much rather believe in biblical terms I mean your very odd if you think a little cell probably smaller than a bouncy ball created all thats around us like the skys or frikken animals. I also strongly dout we came from fish and monkeys. Monkeys are brillient animals, but humans can be pretty frikken dumb and plus if the government lies to us about ufo sheeit and who ever knows aboot Ben Ladin... but back to subject if the gov. is lyin' to us aboot other sheeit why in the hell should we believe "their" study's of creation?

At 7/29/08 09:00 AM, FleshMaggot wrote: But come on dood...

I hereby give you a ramble award. It's a pink medal. :o

good point

Poxpower, after reading all these arguments from you and Imperator, I have really only one question: Why do you care?

At 7/28/08 06:39 PM, Imperator wrote: So please, don't try to convert people unless you really, REALLY know what the hell you're doing, because we've already got Jesus Camps training "holy warriors", and Pat Robertson; let's not push it......

Ultimately, Imperator, when one is convinced one has found the truth there forms an imperative to spread it. To teach the ignorant fools about their ignorance. Naturally, as there are many "truths" in this world we face conflict. I posit this imperative is formed either through unbridled arrogance (which is just a verbose term for the human condition, really) or stems from a social instinct to disseminate knowledge that has allowed for all our wonderful achievements.

In some cases however it could easily just be a response to the very real evils that arise from any dogmatic institution; unfortunately that does not excuse pointless bickering over the internet so I must return to my previous position.

At 7/29/08 12:23 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Poxpower, after reading all these arguments from you and Imperator, I have really only one question: Why do you care?

Don't you find it interesting that there's people out there who value wish-thinking over what is true?
And some who are too stupid and malicious to realize it?

How can we build a common peaceful world when the majority lives in a fantasy land where they are going to heaven and everyone else is wrong about everything?

At 7/29/08 01:35 PM, poxpower wrote: Don't you find it interesting that there's people out there who value wish-thinking over what is true?
And some who are too stupid and malicious to realize it?

There is no universal knowable truth, so we just need to believe in something (science is good, you dont even need to believe in it - the evidence is there, no faith required!) that will lead to the benefit of our race.

According to that, the best thing we can possibly do is get along with each other and advance in science. Who knows? A huge asteroid might threaten our existence someday, and if we are all living in huts, herding sheep and praying to the magic sky daddy (who we have never seen, but hes definately there lol), were pretty much fucked.

At 7/29/08 12:23 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Poxpower, after reading all these arguments from you and Imperator, I have really only one question: Why do you care?

Oposing opinions and intolerance?

At 7/29/08 01:35 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/29/08 12:23 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Poxpower, after reading all these arguments from you and Imperator, I have really only one question: Why do you care?

How can we build a common peaceful world when the majority lives in a fantasy land where they are going to heaven and everyone else is wrong about everything?

I believe we can build a common peaceful world if everyone kept their beliefs to themselves and never tried to preach to or convert anyone else. Theists need to discard the notion that they're the only ones supposedly going to Heaven. It's ridiculous for a person to have the mindset of "All I know is that I'm going to Heaven so fuck everyone else." I'm a theist but I've never had that mindset before, nor do I ever plan on having it. I've reconciled science into my faith, but I would never talk to anyone else about it unless they asked. I hate, HATE evangelism. Everyone who is religious that preaches needs to shut up and keep their personal beliefs out of the big picture.

At 7/29/08 02:56 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

I believe we can build a common peaceful world if everyone kept their beliefs to themselves

People don't keep beliefs to themselves, EVER EVER EVER.

First of all, they teach their kids. Ok already there, it's not "keeping it to themselves", they bringing the kids up into it.

Second, it's a completely ridiculous notion that everyone should be able to believe whatever they want and it's ok.
No, sorry, you have the right to it but we all have the right to LAUGH AT YOU if you still believe in the easter bunny and Santa. Ideas are meant to be SHARED.
Religions usually advocate closing your mind to anything that says the religion is wrong, and to just go one-way with the info, i.e. you try to convert as many people as you can without ever listening to what anyone who's not a convert has to say.

Fuck

them

At 7/29/08 03:46 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/29/08 02:56 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

First of all, they teach their kids. Ok already there, it's not "keeping it to themselves", they bringing the kids up into it.

I agree with you.

Second, it's a completely ridiculous notion that everyone should be able to believe whatever they want and it's ok.

Would it still be ridiculous if they keep their mouths shut?

No, sorry, you have the right to it but we all have the right to LAUGH AT YOU if you still believe in the easter bunny and Santa.

Well, sorry to say this, but you won't be able to laugh at people who believe because you wouldn't know who believed if they all KEPT QUIET about their beliefs. But you said they never keep quiet, so whatever. I'm just saying it would be glorious if they did shut up.

Religions usually advocate closing your mind to anything that says the religion is wrong, and to just go one-way with the info, i.e. you try to convert as many people as you can without ever listening to what anyone who's not a convert has to say.

Didn't I say that I condemn converting people? I know you're not singling me out but it just seems that you ignored the rest of my comment which specifically deals with this.

At 7/29/08 02:56 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 7/29/08 01:35 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/29/08 12:23 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Poxpower, after reading all these arguments from you and Imperator, I have really only one question: Why do you care?

How can we build a common peaceful world when the majority lives in a fantasy land where they are going to heaven and everyone else is wrong about everything?

I believe we can build a common peaceful world if everyone kept their beliefs to themselves and never tried to preach to or convert anyone else.

Hang on there skippy.

Firstly you seem to be kind of insinuating that just because you believe in something it makes you unscientific. However this is untrue.

Secondly attacking someone's position makes you more aware of their position and your own. For example I used to debate with Creationists on several websites. I learned more about what I believed and what I accepted purly because it encouraged me to learn more about it.

At 7/29/08 04:28 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 7/29/08 02:56 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 7/29/08 01:35 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/29/08 12:23 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Poxpower, after reading all these arguments from you and Imperator, I have really only one question: Why do you care?

How can we build a common peaceful world when the majority lives in a fantasy land where they are going to heaven and everyone else is wrong about everything?

I believe we can build a common peaceful world if everyone kept their beliefs to themselves and never tried to preach to or convert anyone else.

Hang on there skippy.

Firstly you seem to be kind of insinuating that just because you believe in something it makes you unscientific. However this is untrue.

I know it doesn't make me unscientific, but poxpower appears to think the opposite, which is what led me to defend myself.

Secondly attacking someone's position makes you more aware of their position and your own. For example I used to debate with Creationists on several websites. I learned more about what I believed and what I accepted purly because it encouraged me to learn more about it.

I agree, which is why I debate with others whenever I see the chance. I'm not out to attack anyone.

At 7/29/08 03:55 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:
Would it still be ridiculous if they keep their mouths shut?

If they keep their mouths shut, the religion will die, as simle as that.

At 7/29/08 04:28 PM, Brick-top wrote:

Firstly you seem to be kind of insinuating that just because you believe in something it makes you unscientific.

Now you're just playing word games.
What are you trying to say? That you can be a scientist and believe in homeopathy or Jesus so ON AVERAGE, you're scientific?

Anyways, if you believe in anything that hasn't been shown to be true or likely, the you're not doing science.

At 7/29/08 04:46 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/29/08 03:55 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:
Would it still be ridiculous if they keep their mouths shut?

If they keep their mouths shut, the religion will die, as simle as that.

Religion will never die. You can get rid of people, not ideas. Even if the entire world was either atheist or agnostic and everyone only trusted science, you will always have at least one guy that isn't satisfied by just science, no matter what you tell him. Humans will always marvel at the Universe, and as so long as we're fascinated, religion or spirituality will never die.

At 7/29/08 04:28 PM, Brick-top wrote:

Firstly you seem to be kind of insinuating that just because you believe in something it makes you unscientific.

Now you're just playing word games.
What are you trying to say? That you can be a scientist and believe in homeopathy or Jesus so ON AVERAGE, you're scientific?

Anyways, if you believe in anything that hasn't been shown to be true or likely, the you're not doing science.

At 7/29/08 05:17 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 7/29/08 04:46 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/29/08 03:55 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:
Would it still be ridiculous if they keep their mouths shut?

If they keep their mouths shut, the religion will die, as simle as that.

Religion will never die. You can get rid of people, not ideas. Even if the entire world was either atheist or agnostic and everyone only trusted science, you will always have at least one guy that isn't satisfied by just science, no matter what you tell him. Humans will always marvel at the Universe, and as so long as we're fascinated, religion or spirituality will never die.

That might be true. But, the religions of today would die out. The religions that you are talking about which would pop up by stupid individuals would be completely new concepts and ideas. And it would be harmful.

It's when you have millions of people following the rules of an old old religion to the word, including all the dumb stuff, that you get trouble. Not when Bob figures that he thinks stars are diamonds.

At 7/29/08 04:28 PM, Brick-top wrote:

Firstly you seem to be kind of insinuating that just because you believe in something it makes you unscientific.

Now you're just playing word games.
What are you trying to say? That you can be a scientist and believe in homeopathy or Jesus so ON AVERAGE, you're scientific?

Anyways, if you believe in anything that hasn't been shown to be true or likely, the you're not doing science.

Well, you could be tricked. For me, it's not actually about what you believe but why you do. A stupid person might simply not be able to do very good science when examining his beliefs, but at least he is trying. What enrages me is when people treat faith as a valid alternative to logic and reason. As if believing in what you want to be true actually somehow measures up to finding evidence.

At 7/29/08 03:46 PM, poxpower wrote:
First of all, they teach their kids. Ok already there, it's not "keeping it to themselves", they bringing the kids up into it.

I believe that there are 27 letters in the american english alphabet.

Is it okay to teach them that?

At 7/29/08 05:17 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Religion will never die. You can get rid of people, not ideas.

If people don't tell other people about their religion, then the idea will doe.

The real flaw to this thread is that evolution, the only thing atheists justify their own stupid beliefs with, is not Science. it is a religion and cannot be proved anymore than you can prove that God exists.

You were not there during the creation so you couldn't possibly know anything by science, since science is a made up way to define reality, you have to stay with the rules OF reality, meaning a cat cannot turn into a dog and sorry, pigs will never fly.

Any further suggestion to the theory of evolution, and that makes you a person pushing ones own religion using bullshit facts mixed with science hoping no one will know the difference.

Problem is there are people dumb enough to take evolution as a fact, not knowing anything about it at all really, at least most don't.

Closing point, you people know less than half of everything meaning you have no right to say there is no God, you are too primitive to understand obviously so there isn't much use for me to continue.

At 7/30/08 03:46 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: The real flaw to this thread is that evolution, the only thing atheists justify their own stupid beliefs with, is not Science. it is a religion and cannot be proved anymore than you can prove that God exists.

Huh?
Sorry, I can't hear you all the way back in fantasy land.

Good luck managing a Denny's douchebag 8P

At 7/30/08 03:46 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: The real flaw to this thread is that evolution, the only thing atheists justify their own stupid beliefs with, is not Science. it is a religion and cannot be proved anymore than you can prove that God exists.

First of all, there existed atheists before evolution was discovered. KAPING!
Secondly, it's widely accepted in the sciencetific community despite a large up battle hill when it came about. KAPING!

Thirdly, evolution is very provable. You basically prove evolution by simple dog breeding. You think God designed the pit bull? I'm afraid it was humans, with the help of selective breeding, which is akin to evolution only you control the direction of evolution rather than the environment.

You were not there during the creation so you couldn't possibly know anything by science, since science is a made up way to define reality, you have to stay with the rules OF reality, meaning a cat cannot turn into a dog and sorry, pigs will never fly.

"cat" and "dog" are human made terms. It's obvious that some changes are happening. Have you seen the wide array of dog types that exists? Those are breed from normal dogs until they became vastly different in size, color, behavior, etc. If you keep selectively breeding them like this, what will prevent them from becoming different species? Some magical barrier?

Any further suggestion to the theory of evolution, and that makes you a person pushing ones own religion using bullshit facts mixed with science hoping no one will know the difference.

Evolution doesn't imply atheism. That is just some crazy idea you have. There are lots of Christians and Muslims who accepts evolution.

Problem is there are people dumb enough to take evolution as a fact, not knowing anything about it at all really, at least most don't.

I'm afraid it's the opposite for fundy Christianity. The more educated one is, the less likely one i to be a Christian, and the more likely one is to believe in evolution. How do you explain that? Knowledge makes you unable to see truth? Only ignorance can lead you to true Christ? : D

Closing point, you people know less than half of everything meaning you have no right to say there is no God, you are too primitive to understand obviously so there isn't much use for me to continue.

Really now. Your lack of knowledge doesn't exactly stop you from claiming that there is a God, does it? And anyway, we aren't really claiming that there is no God, just that there isn't enough evidence to justifiably believe in him.

Drakim i'll show you my last message just to show you what you are dealing with.

At 7/7/08 11:36 AM, zoolrule wrote:

I would like to show you something, Shaggytheclown17 sent me PM and starting arguing with me about the existence of God.

I asked him this one little question : "Give me one thing, anything, that is needed to happen in order to make you not believe in god"

That question is inevitable, and it usually proofs if the guy is blind believer or not (99% of them are).

Guess what was the reply ?

quote:
"No, there is absolutely nothing that would make me not believe in God" "This conversation is over."

Don't waste your time on him.

At 7/30/08 04:18 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Good luck managing a Denny's douchebag

Um, what?

-You're 18, and it would appear unemployed, and probably have no aspirations of higher education.

-I'm a high school student getting exam results in the top 5% of the state. In subjects a year above my current year level.

But I'm the one who's going to have a shitty job. Okay got it, makes perfect sense.