Pussy Liberals go, "Wha! Wha!"

[fli]

Oh yes,
Liberals are pussies that cry over everything... Always try to be "sensitive" and stuff...

Oh, wait... WTF? They're not Liberals?

“In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology,� stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is ‘no comment.’�

So, apperently, censoring scientific evidence is needed in order to be sensitive for those who are Creationists.

Hoooo-kay, man'g...
Somebody call the Whaaaa-mbulance.

[fli]

My bad... posted the links twice.
Some overall background knowlege from wiki.

[Togukawa]

Good grief, what's next? Having NASA put emphasis on that the big bang is "just a theory" and merely an opinion? Oh wait it already happened.

Science is for pussy liberals, real men and women believe in the FACTS that God created the earth and the flood created the grand canyon.

Things like this make me happy I don't live in wonderful secular America, land of the free.

[DJ-Jerakai]

I second.

[Peter-II]

That's thoroughly depressing.

[MortifiedPenguins]

I never really got the idea of believeing in either one.

Why does it really matter how were created, when we have our own problems today.

Each one has almost no influence on how we exist right now.

[Togukawa]

At 1/16/07 02:58 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: I never really got the idea of believeing in either one.

Why does it really matter how were created, when we have our own problems today.

Each one has almost no influence on how we exist right now.

Evolution has no influence on how we exist? Everybody, stop looking for new antibiotics, the bacteria aren't going to grow resitant anyway, evolution is just an opinion, not a fact.

The fact that science has to take a back seat to religion on issues as this in a secular society, is, with Peter-II's words, thoroughly depressing. Let's disregard everything we know about geology and erosion, or else the Grand Canyon wouldn't be "proof" of Noah's Ark.
Because it's what logic suggest, a single wave of water cuts meters deep into rock. Definitely.

Why does it really matter how we came to be? It's a question that has fascinated mankind for eternities. But it's putting logical conjecture based on experimental data equal to religious faith with no basis whatsoever, that should piss any rational being off. No matter on which topic it happens. This grand canyon creation joke is an insult to every geologist as much as intelligent design an insult to every biologist and astronomer. Those alive, and all that have ever lived. It's a slap in the face to the scientific community.

What does it matter indeed. It's madness.

Bah, the Bush administration can hamper scientific progress in America, but it can never stop worldwide scientific progress.

[JakeHero]

*Yawn* Who gives a shit? Everyone tries to hamper sciene when it coincides with their ideologies. The fundamentalist here, the zealot atheist in the USSR and the radical muslims in the Middle East have and still do this, yet science progresses unabated.

Oh, they're saying the Grand Canyon wasn't eroded the way scientific researchers say it was?! WHAT A FUCKING OUTRAGE!

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

What a pointless and a touchy thread.

[Togukawa]

At 1/16/07 04:42 PM, BanditByte wrote: *Yawn* Who gives a shit? Everyone tries to hamper sciene when it coincides with their ideologies. The fundamentalist here, the zealot atheist in the USSR and the radical muslims in the Middle East have and still do this, yet science progresses unabated.

Oh, they're saying the Grand Canyon wasn't eroded the way scientific researchers say it was?! WHAT A FUCKING OUTRAGE!

Who gives a shit? When things like that happen in crazy fundamentalist countries like in the middle east, sure, it's no surprise. But when it happens in the world's leading technological superpower, a modern western secular country, then yes, it should make you think and worry.

Considering it's coming from the government? Yes, what a fucking outrage. They can't teach intelligent design in the science class, so they'll teach it in the national parks. Seriously. The official position of the national park on the age of the rock formations is "no comment". Who gives a shit indeed...

Well you're right, it isn't going to stop scientific progress, other countries will take over. But considering America is (soon to be was?) the undisputed leader, it's a setback.

[Empanado]

lol@firstworld

[JakeHero]

At 1/16/07 05:00 PM, Togukawa wrote: Well you're right, it isn't going to stop scientific progress, other countries will take over. But considering America is (soon to be was?) the undisputed leader, it's a setback.

Yeah, because thinking a piece of fucking rock is five thousands years old instead of hundreds of millions will really put us back in the Stone Ages. You're blowing this way out of proportion. Why does it bother you so much that people don't believe in old earth? You and I know they're wrong, so why be dogmatic about it?

[Memorize]

That's very irritating. They should quit complaining and just enjoy it.

But everyone has their whiners. Liberals just tend to do it more.

[Camarohusky]

You're great fli.

You turned Tech and Bandit back on themselves and now they use they same exact type of remarks that they flame others for using in their topics.

Bravissimo!

[stafffighter]

At 1/16/07 05:38 PM, BanditByte wrote: Why does it bother you so much that people don't believe in old earth? You and I know they're wrong, so why be dogmatic about it?

They're supressing educational material. That's why. The purpose of the national park service is to maintain and educate about nature. You cannot do that when basic natural science is circumvented

[Memorize]

At 1/16/07 05:50 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

You turned Tech and Bandit back on themselves and now they use they same exact type of remarks that they flame others for using in their topics.

Yeah, because when I flame someone for being an idiot, it means i'm whining.

Of course, only an idiot would come to the that sort of conclusion.

[JakeHero]

At 1/16/07 05:58 PM, stafffighter wrote: They're supressing educational material. That's why. The purpose of the national park service is to maintain and educate about nature. You cannot do that when basic natural science is circumvented

You and I know people don't need a person in a brown suit to know the origins of the park. Hell, most of the people who go to the grand canyon just go there to gawk at it like a turkey gawks at a raincloud. Once again, you let fundis bother you and they win.

[stafffighter]

At 1/16/07 06:05 PM, BanditByte wrote:

You and I know people don't need a person in a brown suit to know the origins of the park. Hell, most of the people who go to the grand canyon just go there to gawk at it like a turkey gawks at a raincloud. Once again, you let fundis bother you and they win.

You know how we know the origions of the park? Because when we were children they were allowed to tell us. Do you see who's affected now?

[Memorize]

At 1/16/07 06:05 PM, BanditByte wrote:

You and I know people don't need a person in a brown suit to know the origins of the park. Hell, most of the people who go to the grand canyon just go there to gawk at it like a turkey gawks at a raincloud. Once again, you let fundis bother you and they win.

Why not just enjoy the sights? It's not like we actually know 100% what the earth's age is anyway. Just have fun with it.

[stafffighter]

At 1/16/07 06:07 PM, Experimental wrote:

Why not just enjoy the sights? It's not like we actually know 100% what the earth's age is anyway. Just have fun with it.

We know it's a lot older than 5000. God and science can coexist but not when nit pickers like this force sides to be taken.

[Memorize]

At 1/16/07 06:10 PM, stafffighter wrote:

We know it's a lot older than 5000.

But of course. I'm just not into the whole hundreds of millions thing.

God and science can coexist but not when nit pickers like this force sides to be taken.

I don't personally care about the earth's age, altho I do find what they have to say interesting. I just don't think it matters.

My family is actually very religous (especially grandparents), most of which believe the earth's age as 10,000 years or a little more based on the religous estimate, but we all love going to parks and listening to people talk about them. Because we think that as far as religion goes, the earth's age shouldn't be important.

[stafffighter]

At 1/16/07 06:17 PM, Experimental wrote:

My family is actually very religous (especially grandparents), most of which believe the earth's age as 10,000 years or a little more based on the religous estimate, but we all love going to parks and listening to people talk about them. Because we think that as far as religion goes, the earth's age shouldn't be important.

A religous upbringing explains when you're adverse to logic. That is to say I beleive in God but I also beleive religous people tend screw the whole point of it.
The idea has been presented repeadedly that the bible could have stated the earths age in metaphore or a grand scale or just maybe someone made it up. If the age of the earth dosen't affect your belief then don't let your belief affect how old you think the world is.
As for enjoying nature. Anyone who enjoys anything knows that the true beauty of something comes from understanding it. If you don't allow someone to understand the meaning and processes of something they're missing out on that much of the beauty.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 1/16/07 06:04 PM, Experimental wrote:

At 1/16/07 05:50 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

You turned Tech and Bandit back on themselves and now they use they same exact type of remarks that they flame others for using in their topics.

Yeah, because when I flame someone for being an idiot, it means i'm whining.

Of course, only an idiot would come to the that sort of conclusion.

"Your Stupid"
"That's a lousy debate"
"YOUR WHINING"
"No... i'm not"
"YES YOU ARE YES YOU ARE YES YOU ARE"
"now... would YOU like some cheese with that whine...."
"????"

[troubles1]

I don't see any Harm in having this book on sale here. The profits probably go back to the park or some anyway. I would probably put in in the fiction section, lol. And I am a religious person. Although the canyon was not created during the time of Noah but hundreds of thousands of years before, one could argue that a catastrophic flood that Did accrue approximately 5.000 years ago during the times of Noah would have had a defining effect on the Grand canyon and therefor has caused it to become what it is today.
I have not read the book but I guess you could say it is correct by the point I just made and therefor deserves it's place on the shelves

[Memorize]

At 1/16/07 06:54 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

"Your Stupid"
"That's a lousy debate"
"YOUR WHINING"
"No... i'm not"
"YES YOU ARE YES YOU ARE YES YOU ARE"
"now... would YOU like some cheese with that whine...."
"????"

Notice, that I add an arguement with that "stupid" instead of just... "stupid". And I usually do that to people who are in a thread complaining by saying "why can't drugs be legalized?" "why can't prostitution be legalized?". Now those same people complaining about things they want are calling me a "whiner" by calling them stupid because of their whining... ironic.

[SolInvictus]

thank you for the first brain bleed of the year, i was wondering when it was going to come.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 1/16/07 03:47 PM, Togukawa wrote:

At 1/16/07 02:58 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Evolution has no influence on how we exist? Everybody, stop looking for new antibiotics, the bacteria aren't going to grow resitant anyway, evolution is just an opinion, not a fact.

Does it really matter in any way, evolution can't predict where the bacteria are evolving to, likewise with creatonism. It's not that I doubt the existance of evolution, it's just that I don't care about it because it really doesn't matter how I formed, as long as I'm here.

Whether I was created in a second or a thousand years still doesn't deny that I'm here.

History is kaptut.

[fli]

At 1/16/07 06:55 PM, troubles1 wrote: I don't see any Harm in having this book on sale here. The profits probably go back to the park or some anyway. I would probably put in in the fiction section, lol. And I am a religious person. Although the canyon was not created during the time of Noah but hundreds of thousands of years before, one could argue that a catastrophic flood that Did accrue approximately 5.000 years ago during the times of Noah would have had a defining effect on the Grand canyon and therefor has caused it to become what it is today.
I have not read the book but I guess you could say it is correct by the point I just made and therefor deserves it's place on the shelves

I don't mind what people believe, and selling the book: Well, my money isn't going to buy it but why should my decision affect the person who wants to buy it?

The problem here is that scientific fact is being supressed by people who has an agenda: to discredit "other theories" with "their theory."

Why should the book be sold as science when clearly, it isn't?
It should be in the "inspirational" bin or the "religious" shelf so that people can distinguish which one is which.

It's an outrage that scientific fact, which can be tested and retested accurately time and time again, is censored because a group of people are "sensitive."

[Togukawa]

Selling the book as science is one thing, that's bad, but it can pass. But actually making the official position of the park on its age "no comment", that's pushing the limit, breaking the limit, maiming the limit and ditching it in a drain.
It's like the official of answers of physicist on the origin of lightning: "does it come from static charges or is Zeus really slinging lightning bolts?": no comment.

After all, what does it matter, the lightning is still going to be there, we don't need people to tell us what lightning comes from. It's not like the entire human knowledge system is based on the fact that we are able to gather knowledge and pass it on through written language, so not every generation has to make the same discovery again.

At 1/16/07 08:57 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 1/16/07 03:47 PM, Togukawa wrote:

At 1/16/07 02:58 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Evolution has no influence on how we exist? Everybody, stop looking for new antibiotics, the bacteria aren't going to grow resitant anyway, evolution is just an opinion, not a fact.

Does it really matter in any way, evolution can't predict where the bacteria are evolving to, likewise with creatonism. It's not that I doubt the existance of evolution, it's just that I don't care about it because it really doesn't matter how I formed, as long as I'm here.

Evolution predicts that bacteria will evolve to adapt to change in their environment. Creationism predicts that everything will stay as it is. If we take a peek outside at the real world, obviously, creationism is wrong. A static worldview dates back to the middle ages.

In any case, it's obvious to anyone with the slightest clue about the world that evolution is beyond reasonable doubt. Dropping the theory because it has implications on how we came to be, just because it doesn't fit with the religious point of view, is madness. And when it's done by the government, it's raping everything secularity stands for.

Whether I was created in a second or a thousand years still doesn't deny that I'm here.

That's true, but that still doesn't mean you should put the scientific "guess" on par with the religious "oh I'd like it to be so" theory. Because if you're going to teach the creationist vision on the world, based on nothing but an old book, why not teach the egyptian on the creation of the world? Or the ancient greek vision? And teach them as fact, in government institutions.
After all, that wouldn't change that we are here, so it doesn't really matter what kind of bullshit we spout about it, right?

Same could be said about anything in science. Why do people get sick? "NO COMMENT! GOD MAKES THEM SICK! THEY HAVE BEEN NAUGHTY!" After all, what does it matter. Whether God makes us sick, or bacteria make us sick, still doesn't deny that one is sick.

Let's stop trying to understand the world, let's accept the fact that everything is as it is, and crawl back into a cave and gawk and gasp at the awesome powers of lightning and rain.

[Istentelen]

At 1/16/07 06:12 AM, fli wrote: Oh yes,
Liberals are pussies that cry over everything... Always try to be "sensitive" and stuff...

Oh, wait... WTF? They're not Liberals?

“In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology,� stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is ‘no comment.’�

So, apperently, censoring scientific evidence is needed in order to be sensitive for those who are Creationists.

Hoooo-kay, man'g...
Somebody call the Whaaaa-mbulance.

Wow! Then I say, that my religion teches that the Grand Canyon is only one houndred years old and it was created by the pee of my God! Don't dare to say else or I'll be really offended!
My religion also says that there are no cells because the microscope shows just a theory, but the fact is, that we are made of clay! So fuck your stupid biology and teach this or you'll piss me really off!!
Next step: I have Inka belives and I want to cut out peoples hearts to please my God! Don't dare to stop me in that because it's a free country and I have right to practise my rerligion, and anyway if I can't please my God, he'll fuck the stupid scientists in the arse with his 2 meter long huge dick!!!

Now, to be serious, I think the title is wrong: a true liberal is not that pussy. It's not liberalism what that director did: the basic of the liberalism is that my freedom extends only as long as I don't endanger other peoples freedom. In other words: the liberals respect the religions as long as they respect the liberalism and not going to interrupt the politics, cut peoples right shorter and attack the facts of science. By suspending the facts of science in order not to offend the FUNDAMENTAL christians that animal men offended all the others, the not fundamental (not) christians! Since how long supports a liberal any FUNDAMENTALS?!!!
Even if he said he did it in the name of the liberalism (wich I doubt) he was wrong, wether because he misunderstood smthing or because he new exactly what is he doing but has a strong sympathy to the bigots (or to his job, since it could be also the order of the government, wich is also far from being liberal).