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At 1/14/07 08:06 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 1/14/07 08:05 PM, bigbadron wrote:

At 1/14/07 07:59 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: So I do, again, Deny.. the Holy Spirit.

said the 15 year old trying to look like a badass.

You have to admit, he is kind of cool.

So-Smart-s0-Dumb, do you also smoke?

hes cute

Wow atheist cuz of internet. Sad...

At 1/14/07 05:51 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: Instead of following the Bible like sheep, let's all do what Richard Dawkins tells us to!

That's not what atheism is, that may be what I did but you are falsely overgeneralizing. The BIble's Golden Rule is a good code of ethics to live by but it's nothing that we don't know either way, we don't need to accept the preposterous assumptions on the beginnings of the universe by some people 2,000 years ago when we have scientists in our day and age making much more educated guesses. BTW, I cannot say this enough but "We're atheist about the Greco-Roman Mythology gods and Muslim's god(s), Atheists just take it one god further".

At 1/14/07 05:57 PM, ThePerfectChristian wrote: Wow thats awesome. Not!

Even if you were a perfect christian that only means you are a perfectly obedient fool. I didn't say it was awesome, and it's pretty pathetic when you come to this thread and that's all you have to say.

At 1/14/07 05:59 PM, bigbadron wrote: you're far too young to have denied God.

No i'm not, although I can understand the cause of your belief it isn't true. I've had a lot of free time so i've been able to mature a lot faster.

At 1/14/07 06:02 PM, Dropkicked wrote:

At 1/14/07 05:50 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: why? Because I used to live in NY but I moved down to Georgia and I didn't know anybody so I spent alotta time on the computer, ie internet.

You became an atheist because of the internets?

I think you just failed at life.

Yes, because of spending a lot of time being able to look up virtually any kind of information I want. You're looking at the situation from a very distorted and stereotypical perspective but if you just took what I said and thought about it you'd realize how normal of a transition and reason it is.

At 1/14/07 06:11 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: See, another flaw with this whole Blasphemy Challenge is that all that it's attacking is Catholic Dogma.

I thought your main opponents were Creationists?

Not even just creationists in general, religious people. But Christianity is the religion mostly affecting the U.S. and since that's where I live that's what i'm going to spend my time disproving, or trying to get people out of.

At 1/14/07 06:22 PM, FeargusMcDuff wrote: Richard Dawkins is a dude.

Also that whole thing is just a viral marketing ploy.

Your second statement is probably very true, but your first statement is quite redundant.

At 1/14/07 06:37 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: Ugh I hate religious threads, although he actually had almost a half decent argument..

In the video or in my previous threads?

At 1/14/07 06:51 PM, bigbadron wrote:

At 1/14/07 06:36 PM, thelordofcheese wrote: You are far too dumb to talk.
Don't you know generalizations based on unrelated issues are almost always wrong?

don't you know that 15 is a very confusing time in a child's life? decisions made at that point in life are hardly ever the final choice.

You are patronizing me, don't do that. I'm well-informed about issues that most 15 year olds aren't because I don't have much any friends so I spend my time learning about this stuff. This isn't so much a decision as it is a realization and a form of resolve. One day I didn't just say "Hm, I think i'll become an Atheist today!"

At 1/14/07 06:55 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 1/14/07 06:51 PM, bigbadron wrote:
don't you know that 15 is a very confusing time in a child's life? decisions made at that point in life are hardly ever the final choice.

I've got to agree with the Ronster on this one - at that age you pick and choose different ideologies. It's a very fickle thing, I mean I went through a phase of calling myself a Marxist when I was younger; it's the type of thing that can pass.

That's not to say that the lad won't be an atheist when he's older, just, he shouldn't be advocating it with such an extreme statement at such a young age.

This isn't an ideology I chose intentionally or consciously but it's a label that I'm aware my beliefs would mark me as. This isn't some immature phase, i'm certain that god doesn't exist in religious terms, if a higher deity in some form or fashion exists who created the universe then I don't know, and unlike religion, I won't pretend to.

At 1/14/07 06:55 PM, UKer wrote: I think it's a bit stupid to deny all religion whatsoever so early in your life just for some DVD.

You misunderstand, I denied the Holy Spirit in that video so I could get a book, yes. But I'm not an atheist for that reason, i'm an atheist because of what i've read and found out, not because of what I want.

At 1/14/07 07:49 PM, Pixilation wrote: How is that a challenge?

It's a challenge because it proves without a doubt that you are confident of your position on atheism by damning yourself to Hell since no one wants to spend time in eternal damnation this is a way in which they figured they'd find out who are truly atheists without a doubt.

At 1/14/07 07:50 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 1/14/07 07:48 PM, Gendo wrote:

At 1/14/07 05:50 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: by doing it you get a free DVD, "The God Who Wasn't There" which usually retails for $24.99.

Wow, what shitty prize, couldn't they just give you $24.99 or something useful?

Hahahahaha - what a thought, eh?

"I may have condemned myself to Eternal Damnation, but at least I got a DVD - RRP $24.99!"

I admit, I found the concept funny and I laughed when I read that.

At 1/14/07 07:56 PM, shohaib wrote: now say it with confidence

Someone earlier also said that I sounded very inconfident in that video, and in all honesty I remember being a little hesitant at the whole scheme of it but that was only to be expected because I was not always a Christian and this act would permanently "seal the deal", metaphorically speaking.

At 1/14/07 07:57 PM, BanditByte wrote: Anyone ever notice most self-proclaimed atheist on the net aren't even hold to enough to drive on their own?

A very ironic and coincidental statement because my birthday is coming very near, February 9th, and I missed my last day of Driver's ED today. I doubt that is true though but in defense, older people are usually alot harder to convert and younger people have a new outlook on all this information that we are now available to via the internet.

At 1/14/07 08:05 PM, bigbadron wrote:

At 1/14/07 07:59 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: So I do, again, Deny.. the Holy Spirit.

said the 15 year old trying to look like a badass.

I'm not trying to look like a badass, i'm nowhere near that immature and idiotic.

At 1/14/07 08:06 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 1/14/07 08:05 PM, bigbadron wrote:

At 1/14/07 07:59 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: So I do, again, Deny.. the Holy Spirit.

said the 15 year old trying to look like a badass.

You have to admit, he is kind of cool.

So-Smart-s0-Dumb, do you also smoke?

LMAO!
You are one funny guy, it took me awhile to notice you were sarcastic in your first line about how i'm cool. After this thread dies i'm going to search all your posts for a good laugh ^_^

Anyways now to be serious, don't compare denying the Holy Spirit to smoking. Again, nobody is going to send themselves to eternal damnation just to be cool or badass, at least I wouldn't so don't say that to me. No, I do not smoke as it is stupid and detrimental to your health to do so, I however ironically, have a very religious brother who smokes. He's 10 years my senior.

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At 1/14/07 08:07 PM, xthesnarfx wrote: No one there is really denaying God. They just want a free video.

Possible but I doubt it, some of them good give reasons for there atheism or say something extra besides the Mandatory "I deny the Holy Spirit". That's not to say, however, that since they gave reasons and proved that they were serious about it then everyone else is, but that most likely most people just didn't feel like giving reasons. I must admit it's easy to imagine someone doing this for the free DVD, maybe for resale but they would at least want to view it first befoe they do and then they'll become atheist anyway.

At 1/14/07 08:09 PM, Vrael wrote:

At 1/14/07 07:57 PM, BanditByte wrote: Anyone ever notice most self-proclaimed atheist on the net aren't even hold to enough to drive on their own?

It's like B.B.R. said most are confused in their teen years I don't know if I was that way when I was 13 when I started not believing in god. Most people go back to believing in God in some sense. Overcoming the innate feeling that their is something more to the world is hard to do. I still don't believe in God, but I'm not like this guy who is practically Soliciting against God. I don't have a problem with people who believe, and I still respect God and the Religon because whether or not God is real he IS a real figure.

Again, i'm not "confused" about anything and this is not something i'm going to realize I was wrong for doing because it's been a very gradual process and the more I know the more it solidifies my already cement belief in atheism. I even feel like i'm underestimating my belief in atheism by calling it cement, and cement is able to be broken by a strong force, my atheism is like the wind which is basically indesctructible, undeniable and inescapable. Sorry for the slightly irrelevant metaphor but i'm just trying to illustrate how sure I am of my atheism.

There is no "innate" feeling I have of god, what I think you're talking about is how much maturity you gotta have and the resolve you must form to come to the fact that you will not live after you die, that there is no eternal paradise and that "we are alone" in this world, but we only feel that way because ever since we were little we were told that there is some higher diety that's always with you and cares about you and makes everything right in the world, etc etc.

I used to be just like you, and not trying to get people to realize atheism is the truth because I found it pointless to do so. That's before I heard about what it costs our country to be so religious, which is why i'm much more active in my campaign against religions then I was before. Religion seems to be a harmless belief but it isn't and that's why it must not be believed in anymore.

At 1/14/07 08:55 PM, Saxturbation wrote: Wow atheist cuz of internet. Sad...

Again, that is in no way sad. I guess it would in some arbitrary social standard be more acceptable to become an Atheist after a social enlightenment at a resturant or a intense argument at the bar or some other archetypal place for conflicting discussion such as Sports, Politics, and Religion but the internet is still a very effective way of turning someone into an atheist at their own pace. Take the internet for what it is, information. Information about virtually anything you want to know - with high-speed access to the internet it's not long before someone stumbles upon a document or article challenging their beliefs which may prompt them to inquire further as it did me.

Well hey there! It's So-Smart-So-Dumb badmouthing Catholicism and whatnot, all over again :D how truly cool and original of you. Just like your previous threads.

Anyhow, I just want you to know that as a person I really, really, really, really, really, really do care about the fact that you've renounced the Holy Spirit and forever damned yourself.

But really, though.

;)

At 1/14/07 10:07 PM, LinkSilvermane wrote: Well hey there! It's So-Smart-So-Dumb badmouthing Catholicism and whatnot, all over again :D how truly cool and original of you. Just like your previous threads.

Anyhow, I just want you to know that as a person I really, really, really, really, really, really do care about the fact that you've renounced the Holy Spirit and forever damned yourself.

But really, though.

;)

Well from that post it's quite obvious that you didn't...

1) read through my post
2) watch my video

because if you did (which would suggest that you had an iQ above room temperature) you wou'dve known that i'm not badmouthing any religion but i'm simply denouncing the Holy Spirit as an act of proving my atheism. I made this thread for others thoughts on the whole scheme behind this "Blasphemy Challenge" these people have set-up and organized because I did in fact get a DVD from them so it isn't a scam or anything of a joking matter.

Hrm, you criticize me for not being cool and original yet the ironic thing about that is you frame your insults in a sarcastic manner. How cool and original is that? Not much =\

Well jeesh, if you didn't care then don't post in my thread. All because you don't care you feel the need to inform me? What makes you think I care if you don't care? Nothing should, especially when I have tons of other people posting which I have already attended to.

At 1/14/07 09:49 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: You are patronizing me, don't do that. I'm well-informed about issues that most 15 year olds aren't because I don't have much any friends so I spend my time learning about this stuff. This isn't so much a decision as it is a realization and a form of resolve. One day I didn't just say "Hm, I think i'll become an Atheist today!"

i wasn't. god, do you think i had everything figured out when i was 15? no. i was being a dumb 15 year old, like everyone else. i didn't think about religion or anything of that sort because i didn't care. even if i did, i couldn't have come to a clear decision then. my views on life have changed greatly over the past 7 years.

I'm not trying to look like a badass, i'm nowhere near that immature and idiotic.

judging by your sig, you seem to be an atheist purely for it's "badassery."

When an Individual no longer believes in religion
he no longer needs that fear to restrain him from
doing things he already knows aren't good.

that whole statement seems idiotic.

S-S-S-SUPER ATTENTION WHORES! Who needs a soul or a chance of a heavenly afterlife anyways? And we'll get a FREE DVD! :D

At 1/14/07 10:18 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

Well from that post it's quite obvious that you didn't...

1) read through my post
2) watch my video

Did, actually. Though I did get bored half way through the "revolutionary" video, to be honest.

because if you did (which would suggest that you had an iQ above room temperature) you wou'dve known that i'm not badmouthing any religion but i'm simply denouncing the Holy Spirit as an act of proving my atheism.

Ah, yes. Because you're not actually insulting the Catholic religion by intentionally blaspheming against the Holy Spirit...you're just proving something about yourself.

*claps*

Hrm, you criticize me for not being cool and original yet the ironic thing about that is you frame your insults in a sarcastic manner. How cool and original is that? Not much =\

Never said I was cool, chum. You just assumed that.

Well jeesh, if you didn't care then don't post in my thread.

Thing is, I do care. I care about the fact that you're simply trying to make a name for yourself in the BBS forum just by proclaiming yourself as a militant anti-catholic atheist, which is kinda pathetic.

At 1/14/07 10:37 PM, bigbadron wrote:

At 1/14/07 09:49 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: You are patronizing me, don't do that. I'm well-informed about issues that most 15 year olds aren't because I don't have much any friends so I spend my time learning about this stuff. This isn't so much a decision as it is a realization and a form of resolve. One day I didn't just say "Hm, I think i'll become an Atheist today!"

i wasn't. god, do you think i had everything figured out when i was 15? no. i was being a dumb 15 year old, like everyone else. i didn't think about religion or anything of that sort because i didn't care. even if i did, i couldn't have come to a clear decision then. my views on life have changed greatly over the past 7 years.

I'm not trying to look like a badass, i'm nowhere near that immature and idiotic.

judging by your sig, you seem to be an atheist purely for it's "badassery."

When an Individual no longer believes in religion
he no longer needs that fear to restrain him from
doing things he already knows aren't good.

that whole statement seems idiotic.

Yeah, that's so suprisingly coincidental that you should say that because I was just thinking about that roughly 15mins before you posted that about my signature.

Anywho, all because you took along time to mature doesn't mean it'll be the same for me. Ask me anything to test my maturity or anything of that nature, i'm willing to prove it since you persist in stating that i'm too young to have a true, respectable stance on a serious topic.

Why does everybody try to convert other people.... I'm pretty sure everybody has their own opinions about religion, and I feel those should remain un-tampered with because religion is a very deep and fragile issue that nobody REALLY knows who is right and who is wrong. Everyone will just look to the fellow human next to them and assume that they are right and try to tell them how right they are and try to change their lives. A negative subtracted from a negative could be a positive or a negative depending on which beliefs are true (the greater number). But there is no way to determine which belief is true (the greater number). But to every religious group positive is the only option, we may never know who is right, so there is no point in arguing because it is truly pointless. We will never determine who is right because there is absolutly no logic in religion, but I still choose to keep my faith, and if you don't that is none of my concern.

At 1/14/07 11:27 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: Yeah, that's so suprisingly coincidental that you should say that because I was just thinking about that roughly 15mins before you posted that about my signature.

yeah. great timing. :/ doesn't change the fact that you had that sig though.

Anywho, all because you took along time to mature doesn't mean it'll be the same for me. Ask me anything to test my maturity or anything of that nature, i'm willing to prove it since you persist in stating that i'm too young to have a true, respectable stance on a serious topic.

you don't seem to understand what i'm saying. yeah, you could be "mature" now, but 3 years from now, your views could change drastically. it's true with any age, but it's tenfold for teenagers.

At 1/15/07 12:16 AM, bigbadron wrote:

At 1/14/07 11:27 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: Yeah, that's so suprisingly coincidental that you should say that because I was just thinking about that roughly 15mins before you posted that about my signature.

yeah. great timing. :/ doesn't change the fact that you had that sig though.

Anywho, all because you took along time to mature doesn't mean it'll be the same for me. Ask me anything to test my maturity or anything of that nature, i'm willing to prove it since you persist in stating that i'm too young to have a true, respectable stance on a serious topic.

you don't seem to understand what i'm saying. yeah, you could be "mature" now, but 3 years from now, your views could change drastically. it's true with any age, but it's tenfold for teenagers.

I'm not going to change my views though, especially not drastically. I know myself better then you do so quit trying to state some unlikely possibilities that although i'm well aware might've happened to you, they won't happen to me. I'm not your average teenager and this isn't some rebel thing. If you want my reasoning for my beliefs then im me on aim at So Smart s0 Dumb.

At 1/15/07 12:05 AM, justlooking9 wrote: Why does everybody try to convert other people.... I'm pretty sure everybody has their own opinions about religion, and I feel those should remain un-tampered with because religion is a very deep and fragile issue that nobody REALLY knows who is right and who is wrong. Everyone will just look to the fellow human next to them and assume that they are right and try to tell them how right they are and try to change their lives. A negative subtracted from a negative could be a positive or a negative depending on which beliefs are true (the greater number). But there is no way to determine which belief is true (the greater number). But to every religious group positive is the only option, we may never know who is right, so there is no point in arguing because it is truly pointless. We will never determine who is right because there is absolutly no logic in religion, but I still choose to keep my faith, and if you don't that is none of my concern.

Some people try to convert others because they think their belief is right and find it their responsibility to do so for whatever the reason, myself included. I know who is REALLY right because I understand that the Bible or any other sacred scripture written by peoples of a time roughly 1000-2000 years ago was made for a reason similar to the following:

1) To answer the hardest questions about life and the universe, to settle their peoples curiousity and anger of why things happened to them and to give them a way to cope with it.

2) To control the people and prevent them from doing immoral acts by giving them a guideline to abide by or else suffer the consequences, whatever they may be.

The mere fact that there's more then one religion should automatically, by pure logic, dismiss all of them except one as true - but which one is that? None, ie Atheism. Back in their time, people didn't know why that Tsunami hit their village or why that person did something mean to them, and to prevent the masses from retaliating a scripture was made and preached to be true which stated in it that if people were good during their lifetimes, that they would be rewarded in some way in the after-life, effectively prohibiting people from doing bad things.

Yes we will and we currently can determine who is right using simple logic and reasoning. The problem is most people don't want to do that because as you and everyone else knows, living isn't as comfortable when you aren't secured that eternal paradise for your good deeds during life and you seem alot more alone in the world without that all-loving diety caring about your prayers. Also, there's a common misconception that religion gives people morals, and without religion there would be chaos, this isn't true. Religious scriptures and believing in them give us a reason to act good, by stating severe consequences for immoral actions (Eternal Damnation, anyone?) and some pretty nifty rewards (Eternal Paradise, any takers?) for doing good things but they do not give us morals, our ethics are inherent, most of them at least. I can't say this enough times because people still believe the opposite: That feeling of guilt you have when you do something bad, that emotion has an electrical and/or chemical background.

At 1/14/07 11:15 PM, LinkSilvermane wrote:

At 1/14/07 10:18 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

Well from that post it's quite obvious that you didn't...

1) read through my post
2) watch my video

Did, actually. Though I did get bored half way through the "revolutionary" video, to be honest.

I never said it was revolutionary nor did I imply such an idea.

because if you did (which would suggest that you had an iQ above room temperature) you wou'dve known that i'm not badmouthing any religion but i'm simply denouncing the Holy Spirit as an act of proving my atheism.

Ah, yes. Because you're not actually insulting the Catholic religion by intentionally blaspheming against the Holy Spirit...you're just proving something about yourself.

*claps*

Resorting to sarcasm again, it's quite pitiful how desperately you use sarcasm to try and sound cool, which when I think about it - is a task you probably accomplish to appear as to those of NG who are sharing the same immature mentality as you.

I'm not directly insulting it, and neither was that my intention. If you genuinely got that interpretation of it and you're not just trying to find something to reply to my statement with that you need to re-evaluate your interpretations because they are slightly distorted. By intentionally blaspheming against the Holy Spirit I am damning myself to Hell, as an act of proving my atheism.

Hrm, you criticize me for not being cool and original yet the ironic thing about that is you frame your insults in a sarcastic manner. How cool and original is that? Not much =\

Never said I was cool, chum. You just assumed that.

Well if you aren't "cool" and I never said I was trying to be "cool" then why did you criticize me for not being "cool"? It's hypocritical to tell someone they aren't "cool" when you know you aren't.

Well jeesh, if you didn't care then don't post in my thread.

Thing is, I do care. I care about the fact that you're simply trying to make a name for yourself in the BBS forum just by proclaiming yourself as a militant anti-catholic atheist, which is kinda pathetic.

I'm not trying to make a name for myself or become famous on these forums - that's a very off-topic motive for me to have with my threads going as they do. Again, this is where your slightly distorted interpretations come into play to haunt your ability to conversate & communicate properly. I'm not a militant anti-(insert specific religious denomination) atheist, i'm a general Atheist, I don't believe in any gods or the fact that religious scriptures were written by one. So since i've effectively eliminated your reason for caring, don't post in my thread like you did prior to this post.

I hate the arrogant.

On the off chance that there IS in fact a God, I'd rather not piss him off.

At 1/14/07 06:51 PM, bigbadron wrote:

At 1/14/07 06:36 PM, thelordofcheese wrote: You are far too dumb to talk.
Don't you know generalizations based on unrelated issues are almost always wrong?

don't you know that 15 is a very confusing time in a child's life? decisions made at that point in life are hardly ever the final choice.

Very true Ron- very true. But things like religion are pretty hard to take back once you've let them go, I have been told by older born-again Christians.

Don't ask how I became friends with them.

At 1/15/07 01:38 AM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: I'm not going to change my views though, especially not drastically. I know myself better then you do so quit trying to state some unlikely possibilities that although i'm well aware might've happened to you, they won't happen to me. I'm not your average teenager and this isn't some rebel thing. If you want my reasoning for my beliefs then im me on aim at So Smart s0 Dumb.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR VIEWS ON LIFE AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT. AS I HAVE SAID, I HAVE DONE IT MYSELF. ANY SINGLE EVENT CAN SEND SOMEONE INTO A NEW COMPLETE DIRECTION. SAYING IT WON'T HAPPEN TO YOU IS UTTERLY STUPID.

you can't predict your life. if you could, you could see the end. you can't see the end. you can only see what you believe to be the end. what do i see? fuck, i don't even know. i don't even think about it. i focus on today. i don't really care about your beliefs, or your reasonings for believing them. yeah, i know, the Bible is a load of lies. everyone knows that. saying God doesn't exist just because you can't see or prove it is retarded. you can't see people's thoughts either. does that mean they're not there?

am i saying there is a God? i don't know. thing is, neither science nor religion have proven anything to be 100% correct. that's why i don't trust either. i will not deny though that there is something watching over us.

i'm not trying to say you're wrong in what you believe. all i'm saying is, is that you're far too young to think you have everything figured out. jesus, go be a fucking kid.

At 1/15/07 02:32 AM, bigbadron wrote:

At 1/15/07 01:38 AM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: I'm not going to change my views though, especially not drastically. I know myself better then you do so quit trying to state some unlikely possibilities that although i'm well aware might've happened to you, they won't happen to me. I'm not your average teenager and this isn't some rebel thing. If you want my reasoning for my beliefs then im me on aim at So Smart s0 Dumb.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR VIEWS ON LIFE AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT. AS I HAVE SAID, I HAVE DONE IT MYSELF. ANY SINGLE EVENT CAN SEND SOMEONE INTO A NEW COMPLETE DIRECTION. SAYING IT WON'T HAPPEN TO YOU IS UTTERLY STUPID.

I was about to answer this whole post at once but I thought it'd be better if i'd negate your statements by responding to each paragraph...

Yes, it's a possibility that I could change my views but a very unlikely one. Which is why I don't think I will change my views because me being an Atheist was a change-of-view for me, and ever since I learned about god and started going to church I started to doubt the existence of God. It's only when I viewed certain documents and articles on the internet that sealed that doubt into a confirmation of nonexistence of a god in religious terms. I am extremely level-headed and I have an excellent way of approaching problems with an open-mind, an approach I suggest everyone else follow. Example; if I see a starving child in the U.S. i'm naturally going to feel sorry for it, maybe feel like donating to a charity? Before I would consider that, i'd compare the rates of starvation, malnutrition, and the amount of people that starve to death in other places of the state, or even country to see where money and charity is in the most need.

you can't predict your life. if you could, you could see the end. you can't see the end. you can only see what you believe to be the end. what do i see? fuck, i don't even know. i don't even think about it. i focus on today. i don't really care about your beliefs, or your reasonings for believing them. yeah, i know, the Bible is a load of lies. everyone knows that. saying God doesn't exist just because you can't see or prove it is retarded. you can't see people's thoughts either. does that mean they're not there?

I can't predict my life but I have a very good idea of how it's going to turn out excluding random chance happenings like car crash, getting shot by a gun, or getting a broken bone somehow because of a rather linear career course I plan on taking. I can't prove god doesn't exist, neither can any or probably will any scientific instrument or method, but it will never be able to disprove "the flying spaghetti monster", or the "China teapot" in elliptical orbit around the sun. Such an item or monster would be too small to notice. So if someone from 2,000 years ago said that there was one of these items, should you believe it? No, should you be agnostic about it? No, that still wouldn't be reasonable.

I say god doesn't exist because if I can't somehow prove his existance modern-day with all these scientific enhancements, what enabled the peoples of 2,000 years ago to have contact with him? Being agnostic about the god isn't a form of stupidity, but just the results of a misinformed potential atheist. If all agnostics were informed more about the sociological mentality, and the lack of technology in older periods of time they could very well see why a God concept was not only comforting, but also why it was made. Greco-Roman Mythology was believed in heavily but it's only after sacrificing to the gods proved over-and-over no conclusive helpfulness that it was a coincidence whenever there situation was helped out, the coincidental thing about it is, "praying to your god" is the exact same concept.

Seeing isn't the only form of proof, I can figure out things by thinking, if other people which look like me can figure out things too then that must also mean they have thoughts and can think. I have proof of someone having thoughts just from having a conversation with them.

am i saying there is a God? i don't know. thing is, neither science nor religion have proven anything to be 100% correct. that's why i don't trust either. i will not deny though that there is something watching over us.

It's truly, and this is without a motive of insulting you that I say this, it's truly idiotic to put Science & Religion on the same level of credibility. Purely ignorant of the different methods of evaluating ideas, which is something religion doesn't do at all. Religion follows the guidelines of first-century moral teachers who knew much less then our current-day scientists do. Science constantly disproves religious scriptures or in a Muslim's case, constantly credits more to Allah's doing (how convenient). You won't deny that there's something watching over us? Meaning that you do in-fact believe that there is something watching over us? That is a childish and immature mentality, watch this to get rid of that uninformed misconception you have.

i'm not trying to say you're wrong in what you believe. all i'm saying is, is that you're far too young to think you have everything figured out. jesus, go be a fucking kid.

I don't have everything figured out, and I don't pretend to, I'm just fully aware of what I have figured out contrary to what most others haven't.

I've typed so much in this thread, I don't think I derserve to have it dwindle into it's death.

You got pwnt by there comments.

At 1/14/07 05:59 PM, bigbadron wrote: you're far too young to have denied God.

There's an age requirement?

Damn it, first I can't drink or join the army, now I can't become an embittered atheist? Damn you minor status!

At 1/14/07 09:49 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:
BTW, I cannot say this enough but "We're atheist about the Greco-Roman Mythology gods and Muslim's god(s), Atheists just take it one god further".

Sweet Jesus.
Do you even know what a Muslim IS?

At 1/15/07 06:00 PM, LordGilingham wrote:

At 1/14/07 09:49 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:
BTW, I cannot say this enough but "We're atheist about the Greco-Roman Mythology gods and Muslim's god(s), Atheists just take it one god further".

Sweet Jesus.
Do you even know what a Muslim IS?

Lol, actually i'm not so sure to be honest. Don't they worship allah, or is that some other religion?

At 1/15/07 05:36 PM, NewgroundsPlatinum2 wrote: You got pwnt by there comments.

and what three comments were those?

At 1/14/07 05:59 PM, Gendo wrote: How does I 1992 here?
Go back to Aurora, Wayne.

What?

At 1/15/07 06:47 PM, ThePerfectChristian wrote:

At 1/14/07 05:59 PM, Gendo wrote: How does I 1992 here?
Go back to Aurora, Wayne.

What?

Same thing I thought, no idea.. must be an inside joke or something similar. Anyways, I quoted and replied to your response in this thread in my first post on this page, I suggest you read it.

At 1/14/07 05:51 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: Instead of following the Bible like sheep, let's all do what Richard Dawkins tells us to!

Like commit adultery?

Ooooh what fun!

At 1/15/07 06:58 PM, MattRabbit wrote:

At 1/14/07 05:51 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: Instead of following the Bible like sheep, let's all do what Richard Dawkins tells us to!

Like commit adultery?

Ooooh what fun!

I replied to that exact same quote in my one of my first two posts on this page of the thread.
BTW that was uncalled for, no respectable figure would ever advocate such a immoral act.

At 1/15/07 04:48 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: I can't predict my life but I have a very good idea of how it's going to turn out

No, you don't. You have no idea what awaits. To say otherwise is folly.

At 1/15/07 06:45 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 1/15/07 06:00 PM, LordGilingham wrote:

At 1/14/07 09:49 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:
BTW, I cannot say this enough but "We're atheist about the Greco-Roman Mythology gods and Muslim's god(s), Atheists just take it one god further".

Sweet Jesus.
Do you even know what a Muslim IS?

Lol, actually i'm not so sure to be honest. Don't they worship allah, or is that some other religion?

You are obviously very young and head strong, so I'll go gentle on you.

Many kids claim to be Atheists purely because they don't understand religion. They look for a way to go aganist what they think is the "norm" to be a rebel, and get attention (aka creating a topic on Newgrounds.).

You have claimed that you have done a lot of research on the topic of religion, yet you don't even know what a Muslim is, or what they believe. Muslims are followers of Islam, one of the largest religions in the world. Islam is much like other monotheism faiths, yet have their own unique way of doing things.

I'm Catholic / Buddhist (The distance running part of me atleast ;)), but I relieze that not everyone else is the same as me, and I respect that. Islam is a peace loving religion, just has a couple radicals like everyone else. The reason religious people don't like most Athiests is because they don't respect religion.

Believe what you want, but respect other people's beliefs, and don't do this "There is no God because blah blah blah" bullshit on the internet. Its pointless.

At 1/15/07 06:45 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 1/15/07 06:00 PM, LordGilingham wrote: Sweet Jesus.
Do you even know what a Muslim IS?

Lol, actually i'm not so sure to be honest. Don't they worship allah, or is that some other religion?

You need to go back and do some more learnin' before you act so authoritative on subjects like Christianity.

Allah is God. God is Allah.

Go back and read how Sarah cast out hagar, Abraham's handmaid, and her son Ishmael. Then research it.