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At 1/19/07 11:35 AM, DJ-Jerakai wrote: We're looking at the China being the worlds most dominate military super power within the next 50 years at the longest.

China is going to have to steal a lot of our shit if that would ever come to pass.

I say 50 at the least, no other factors considered, like our own spending or possible oil wars, whatever. But with our own current spending and the power we already hold, it is gonna have to be a lot more than 50 for the Chinese to catch up remotely to our development.

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At 1/19/07 12:49 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 1/19/07 11:35 AM, DJ-Jerakai wrote: We're looking at the China being the worlds most dominate military super power within the next 50 years at the longest.

China is going to have to steal a lot of our shit if that would ever come to pass.

I say 50 at the least, no other factors considered, like our own spending or possible oil wars, whatever. But with our own current spending and the power we already hold, it is gonna have to be a lot more than 50 for the Chinese to catch up remotely to our development.

China already accounts for 12% of the world economy, EU and US both accounting for 17%
But Chinas growing much faster than Both the EU and US who's growth rates are continuly overtaking each other.

It could easily happen in 50 years as long as they don't fuck up.

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At 1/19/07 08:26 AM, zzzzd wrote: Cellardoor6 most US bases have closed down in recent years, your getting sources which are 4-6 years old. In fact alot of the bases listed were used in the fuckin cold war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ai r_Forces_in_Europe#Current_Operating_Units

Thats only air force bases dipshit.

Britain and france are are at the same levels as the US in technology. You seem to think it would be as easy as iraq.

Dude, Britain and France are years behind the US. And the only reason they are even as relatively powerful as they are is because the US shares technology with them you fucking moron.

Britain and France can't even operate GPS without the US and you think they are as advanced as the US? Give me a break.

The US is years ahead of both France and UK.

American aircraft carriers would be sitting ducks without secure land bases. Ships are so vunerable to air attacks, Even with the most advanced technology.

Dude you don't know what you're talking about. Just stop parading your fucking vast ignorance.

Ships, and carriers especially are actually less vulnerable when they are on the open sea you retard. US ships have the most advanced defensive and offensive systems and are protected constantly with missile cruisers (that can shoot down both missiles and attacking planes form hundreds of miles away), and a constant patrol of fighters (that are ALL more advanced than European fighters).

You're so incredibly pathetic, you can't even see reality anymore due to your wacky attempt to defend your inferior European Union military forces. You have absolutely no clue about anything in this issue, you just pull random shit out of your ass.

And Even the most basic of radar can pick up huge great fuckin aircraft carriers.

Um theres something called radar jammers, and even then American ship-born radar systems are coordinated with satellite, and airborn radar in a single network. This means that the radar pickup on a AWACS aircraft thousands of miles away can be streamed to the ship. This gives US ships GIGANTIC awareness, thousands, and thousands of miles in diameter around them constantly.

European ships or aircraft would never even come close before they got shot down by either American fighter jets, or missiles from American ships.

And Theres a number of european bases in and around the americas so it would be possible to attack the US mainland. As well as the fact that this was originally the US v the world which would mean there would be a huge number of allie bases around america.

What European bases? Provide a link to show where this 'number of european bases' are located.

And if you mention the very small amount of European officers stationed at US bases I'm going to laugh. Europe has NO forward operating bases in or around the US. They might have some personnel, but they have no tanks, combat aircraft, ships or anything of strategic use.

The EU is an emerging super power, It has as much influence on the world as america with soft power

Thats a fucking joke. The EU is a lameduck. The only reaosn the EU even has ANY position of power is because of the US. Most EU nations are in NATO, and the US leads NATO. That means anyone who fucks with a European country faces the US.

That is THE ONLY reason Europe has any power, because if Europe wasn't allied with the US, Russia would have taken over by now.

Europe has no real force projection to back up anything it does. Europe does the negotiating, but the US is the only allied country capable of actually holding belligerent nations to account.

Look at Kosovo, Europe couldn't even uphold its own threats against the Yugos, and the US had to come in and do the dirty work because Europe is an absolute lameduck and its only real negotiating power stems form the fact that Europe is covered with a blanket of protection provided by the US.

It has an Economy as large and It's working towards a Unified Military.

Yes the EU economy is slightly larger in nominal terms (well they should considering the EU has 100 million more people), but the US has a slight edge in purchasing power. And even then the US economy is growing much more rapidly than the EU economy (3.5% vs. 1.2%), so the US will overtake the EU in GDP (both nominal and purchasing power) sometime this year.

And the US growth rate is expected to hit 5% by 2012, while Europe's low growth rate of around 1% is expected to decline due to the oil dilemma with Russia and Belarus.

The Gallelio project allthough it does have flaws will Come operational in the next few years, many NATO countries are Working towards changing from GPS to Galleilo.

Galileo is a train wreck. Its just a feeble attempt by Europe to ween off their dependence on the US. And even if it did become operational, Europe has no anti-satellite weapons. The US has been able to shoot down satellites since the early 80's. (and even China is ahead of Europe in this aspect, they just tested a successful anti-satellites missile).

Having a military expenditure at about half that of the US But only spending 1% of Buget compared to the US's 3%. The EU is a potentiol super power.

Yes, but the EU is far too liberal to ever pay that much on military expenditures. And even then, the US has a policy of preventing anyone from equaling US military power. The US would just boost spending accordingly to meet any threat. And since the US economy is growing more rapidly than the US, a 3% US military expenditure will be billions more than a possible 3% expenditure by the EU.

There is no way america and europe would go to war, It would cripple both economies immensly And it would be such a huge war and would also probably escalate into a world war.

It could happen in the future.

And a war between the EU and the US would damage the US economy, but the EU economy would be completely destroyed and the US would emerge in an even greater position of power than it did after WWII.

Europe may well have a military equal to america in the next 20years.

Theres absolutely no way, Europe would have to spend probably 10 times as much a year to compete with the rapid advancements and already large global preeminence the US has.

Europe won't be able to build 12 aircraft carriers, thousands of ships, thousands and thousands of aircraft, and thousands and thousands of forward deployed bases in 20 years. That is even if by chance Europe even came near the US in technology.

Hopefully howether Both countries will remain strong allies. As China Emerges as superior to both the EU and the US.

Europe is only strong when the US leads them. Europe is a lame duck, and China obviously is a future threat, but both Europes location and lack of force projection won't mean dick in a western war against China.

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At 1/19/07 08:31 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Europe is only strong when the US leads them. Europe is a lame duck, and China obviously is a future threat, but both Europes location and lack of force projection won't mean dick in a western war against China.

LOL, it would so suck to be European right now.