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Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 19:48:30 Reply

Most of Americas money is overseas. A number of our manufaturing plants a stationed out of the orient (i.e. China, Taiwan, Veitnam). And We have a dependincy on foreighn oil.

So my Question is: I america went against the World or the World went Agaist America, would we be able to hold our own?

Please leave a reson for your answer.

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Well we are still a superpower and only a severe lack in nationaism, culture, spirituality and so on would hamper that. But it would depend define "the world" .

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America fucking rules the entire world. We can kill anyone at any time, strike and destroy an entire country for fun. We rule. BOW DOWN!!!

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 19:59:17 Reply

At 1/13/07 07:48 PM, Culpeo wrote: Most of Americas money is overseas. A number of our manufaturing plants a stationed out of the orient (i.e. China, Taiwan, Veitnam). And We have a dependincy on foreighn oil.

So my Question is: I america went against the World or the World went Agaist America, would we be able to hold our own?

We'd be able to hold our own inasmuch as they would all be dead, as well as ourselves.


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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 20:03:10 Reply

Can someone please define "the world" for me. As in the western world? Cause im sure we can get a shitload of dictatorships to back us up and finally conquer the west into a true "american empire"

Seriously the rest of the west is in need of a good beating.
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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 20:06:55 Reply

At 1/13/07 07:56 PM, zeus-almighty wrote: Well we are still a superpower and only a severe lack in nationaism, culture, spirituality and so on would hamper that. But it would depend define "the world" .

By the world, i mean, the world. this is hypothetical but, what if, at one point. the leader of this country, had commited a heinous act angainst the rest of this planet? And some how, our democracy fell apart and became a dictatorship? Chances are, the rest of the world would cut there deals withe is and run.

would we be able to stand on its own two feet alone? i know it is a lot of "What ifs" but still. i wonder this.
(correct me if im wrong) Americas economy is based of trade with the rest of the world. they dont have to trade with us, they choose to.

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 20:09:09 Reply

We can nuke everyone else into oblivion. Russia can do the same.


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At 1/13/07 08:06 PM, Culpeo wrote: By the world, i mean, the world. this is hypothetical but, what if, at one point. the leader of this country, had commited a heinous act angainst the rest of this planet?

It would be impossible for it to be against the entire planet.

And some how, our democracy fell apart and became a dictatorship? Chances are, the rest of the world would cut there deals withe is and run.

Not entirely I mean We could always abandon the west and allign
ourlesves with other dictatorships to form a "warsaw pact" of sorts.

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 20:14:40 Reply

Yea, we could use our ICBMs . but if we survive, would we last after the rest of the world doesnt? I beleive a superpower should be able to be completly independent. right?

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 20:17:08 Reply

At 1/13/07 07:48 PM, Culpeo wrote: Most of Americas money is overseas. A number of our manufaturing plants a stationed out of the orient (i.e. China, Taiwan, Veitnam). And We have a dependincy on foreighn oil.

Yes as these countries are equally dependent on the US for investment.

But, it is a myth that most of our manufacturing capability its outside the US. Its actually just a fraction of our domestic output. But since our country is so huge, highly populated, and consumes alot of products, when people look at the numbers involved with our importing from other countries, they don't put it into context.

For example, people always say ''like OMG, the US buys $300 Billion worth of chinese goods every year, thats sooo much" but then they fail to realize that domestic sales in the US top $8 TRILLION dollars a year, about 60% of our GDP, while spending on imports all together are less than 10%.

Also, what I find funny is that the US buys more from Mexico every year than we do from China value-wise.

The US is still the worlds economic superpower. It makes more money than any other country, has more influence in other economies, and is the center of the world financial and trading systems.

The US relies on other countries, yes, but the ENTIRE WORLD relies on the US.

Every single country in the world that the US doesn't have a close economic partnership is in poverty.

Every single country in the world that the US DOES have a close economic partnership is successful.

The closer the trade ties are with the US, the better off the country is.

The US has the ability to destroy other countries because the US has so much stake in all their economies.

For example, Canada. Canada has a very successful economy, but most of this is due to the fact that the US provides them with almost all of their investment, and almost ALL major Canadian businesses are owned by American businesses, and most of their infrastructure is tied into the US infrastructure.

Then, the few Canadian successful businesses that aren't moderated by Americans still rely on the US stock market and banking systems to grow and function. If the US cut off ties with Canada, the US would suffer, but Canada's economy would completely crumble.

And this is true with many other countries and their relationship with the US.

The US is the worlds economic superpower. The EU makes more money each year, but its still incredibly reliant on the US, much more so than the US is on the EU.

So my Question is: I america went against the World or the World went Agaist America, would we be able to hold our own?

Ok well now you're talking militarily.

The US is vastly superior in military power than every other country, or allegiance of countries in the world. The only real military rival the US has is China, but they are 20 years behind the US in technology, they lack a significant navy, airforce, and their army is large but is under-equipped and consists of illiterate peasant conscripts.

In fact, China is about equal in terms of force projection that the Iraqi army was in 91 during the Gulf War, and the US defeated them in 48 hours. It would take longer with China, but the US is so vastly superior in technology and strategic location that China would just simply be overwhelmed.

Also, China only has about 20 nuclear tipped missiles that could reach the US (some of these would be shot down), so even in a nuclear war, the US would survive but China would be destroyed.

I even read a British study that said that if all militaries of the world combined against the US and no nukes were involved, the US would still prevail.

Then, I'm sure someone might use the myth that Europe is stronger than the US in military terms but this is simply untrue. Not only does the US already have military forces in Europe in a significant number, but the US actually CONTROLS the air defense systems, satellites, datalinks, and battle networks that the European allies use in their military.

Then, the Europeans lack any significant ability to reach the US to attack it, meanwhile the US would have free-reign to bomb Europes infrastructure and defense systems (which the US owns technology over and knows where they are located). The US has 12 supercarriers capable of enormous air attacks, hundreds of stealth bombers ( steal 'fighters' included), and 30 amphibious assault ships (basically little aircraft carriers) that would be able to lay waste to Europe quit rapidly.

Meanwhile, the Europeans only have 4 aircraft carriers that are smaller than the 30 Amphibious assault ships the US has. They have ABSOLUTELY NO stealth aircraft, no long-range bombers of any sort, and wouldn't even be able to communicate to coordinate a war because their GPS, communications, and technology all rely on American systems. The Europeans don't even have an independent military satellite for GPS, think about that...

The US is just so much more advanced and powerful than even the next most powerful military powers, that a conventional war against the US by ANYONE would simply be suicide.

With that said, the only way the US could be destroyed is from a full-scale nuclear war with Russia, but then again, this would never be triggered as it would mean the end of the world itself.


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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 20:28:04 Reply

Thank you celladoor, you are right. but, the reason i cam up with this question was becuase my understanding is that a lot of the world hates us, but the depend on us, so my reason was that hate grows. if the world hated us enough, would they still be able live without us?

Probaly not, but still. there is nothing in the world that i doubt 100%

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 20:29:36 Reply

I dont believe the US could hold off an attack from every single country in the world. But if they could or not, that's not what makes them a superpower.


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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 21:28:21 Reply

another question is

is our size and diversity a problem to our status as a world leader? everyone in the world should be entitled to there own opions. in america, we are(for the most part).

so with the major divisions in our culture like race, and political party. which already hampers our full unity. can our lack of said unity, made only worse by our double standerization, be a threat to our status?

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 22:20:38 Reply

Of course its still a super power.

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 22:33:48 Reply

At 1/13/07 10:20 PM, made-4-sex wrote: Of course its still a super power.

i said, please a reason for your answer. please.

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 22:45:03 Reply

Well if the war was U.S. vs. every other nation on Earth, if Russia and/or China attacked us first they could nuke the U.S. into oblivion but the U.S. could do the same to them.

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 22:46:33 Reply

then why havent we? if it would be better to the whole world to creat the EUUA "Earth United Under America", then why havent we? i beleve the government is smart. Why not?

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 22:51:30 Reply

At 1/13/07 10:45 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote: Well if the war was U.S. vs. every other nation on Earth, if Russia and/or China attacked us first they could nuke the U.S. into oblivion but the U.S. could do the same to them.

right. but we could get our ICBMs over seas faster than they can. Dont forget, the president has "A BIG RED BUTTON" on his desk. one he could press pretty quikly. we can own the rest of the world from what i have been told today. But why not? Is there somthing in our way?*hinthint*

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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 23:11:03 Reply

At 1/13/07 10:46 PM, Culpeo wrote: then why havent we? if it would be better to the whole world to creat the EUUA "Earth United Under America", then why havent we? i beleve the government is smart. Why not?

Because unlike you, most people don't trust the government. All of the world's oppressions are due to government, as it is inherently evil. I don't know about you, but I don't want an evil thing to have control of everyone.

Not too mention that 1/3 of the world's population, Christians, would probably believe the leader is the Antichrist. Not something you would want.


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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 23:17:20 Reply

At 1/13/07 07:56 PM, zeus-almighty wrote: Well we are still a superpower and only a severe lack in nationaism, culture, spirituality and so on would hamper that. But it would depend define "the world" .

America has lost alot of it's spirituallity over time [ethics are becoming far less popular, and monogamy is falling apart, unfortunately.]

It's also lost alot of it's nationalism [america has lost all of it's trust in the government]

i really cant judge culture, because culture changes.


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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 23:29:40 Reply

At 1/13/07 11:11 PM, YHWH wrote:
At 1/13/07 10:46 PM, Culpeo wrote: then why havent we? if it would be better to the whole world to creat the EUUA "Earth United Under America", then why havent we? i beleve the government is smart. Why not?
Because unlike you, most people don't trust the government. All of the world's oppressions are due to government, as it is inherently evil. I don't know about you, but I don't want an evil thing to have control of everyone.

Not too mention that 1/3 of the world's population, Christians, would probably believe the leader is the Antichrist. Not something you would want.

YHWH..snicker...me..trust the goverment...that is just funny... like ... watching a firehouse burn down funny. "Hasta la victoria, siempre!" ring any bells? come on! i just think you are just trying to insult me. its not really working tho.

outside of that line, i couldnt agree with you more from the contents of that paragraph.

im not cristian, but i have read the bible, and i believe that bush is more of one of the fore horsemen than than the anticrist.

But once again, try to learn more about a person before trying to insulting them. saying "you trust bush" to a socialist is like yelling at a wall. dont work, not at all.

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At 1/13/07 11:17 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:
At 1/13/07 07:56 PM, zeus-almighty wrote: Well we are still a superpower and only a severe lack in nationaism, culture, spirituality and so on would hamper that. But it would depend define "the world" .
America has lost alot of it's spirituallity over time [ethics are becoming far less popular, and monogamy is falling apart, unfortunately.]

It's also lost alot of it's nationalism [america has lost all of it's trust in the government]

i really cant judge culture, because culture changes.

You are correct. i dont trust our government as afar as i could throw it... im very weak physicly. and correct with every thing else as well.

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At 1/13/07 11:29 PM, Culpeo wrote:
At 1/13/07 11:11 PM, YHWH wrote:
At 1/13/07 10:46 PM, Culpeo wrote: then why havent we? if it would be better to the whole world to creat the EUUA "Earth United Under America", then why havent we? i beleve the government is smart. Why not?
Because unlike you, most people don't trust the government. All of the world's oppressions are due to government, as it is inherently evil. I don't know about you, but I don't want an evil thing to have control of everyone.

Not too mention that 1/3 of the world's population, Christians, would probably believe the leader is the Antichrist. Not something you would want.
YHWH..snicker...me..trust the goverment...that is just funny... like ... watching a firehouse burn down funny. "Hasta la victoria, siempre!" ring any bells? come on! i just think you are just trying to insult me. its not really working tho.

outside of that line, i couldnt agree with you more from the contents of that paragraph.

im not cristian, but i have read the bible, and i believe that bush is more of one of the fore horsemen than than the anticrist.

But once again, try to learn more about a person before trying to insulting them. saying "you trust bush" to a socialist is like yelling at a wall. dont work, not at all.

In the status of americas superiorty, there are two levels, the first level is how everyone see's america as a super power. and then there is the more realistic rating of america's power by the real and unbiases factors which influence a countries influence in world affairs, economy, trust, diplomacy, war, religon, culture, and so forth. These things are usually similar, but because they're not always on the same rating level, people misjudge. Each of these two levels can be effected by people in power, the president is the most promiment effector, but the other brances play no small a part as well.


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At 1/13/07 11:29 PM, Culpeo wrote: Yay!

When you said the government is smart, I took it that you trusted them. I apologize for my grave mistake, I completely agree with you.


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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-13 23:43:14 Reply

you know, you are correct. to get back on topic. let me explain somthing. America is superior, according to what i have been told through this forum, we are stronger Economicly and milataraly than the rest of the world. if we are the world leader, why arent at our full capabilaties? <hint> is there somthing in our way?</hint>

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At 1/13/07 11:43 PM, Culpeo wrote: you know, you are correct. to get back on topic. let me explain somthing. America is superior, according to what i have been told through this forum, we are stronger Economicly and milataraly than the rest of the world. if we are the world leader, why arent at our full capabilaties? <hint> is there somthing in our way?</hint>

There are always antagonists of growth, they have their reasons, some justifyable.


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At 1/13/07 11:38 PM, YHWH wrote:
At 1/13/07 11:29 PM, Culpeo wrote: Yay!
When you said the government is smart, I took it that you trusted them. I apologize for my grave mistake, I completely agree with you.

well then i apologize for taking it the wrong way. thank you. but they are excutiating stupid or extremly smart. my vote is for the later of the two.

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At 1/13/07 10:46 PM, Culpeo wrote: then why havent we? if it would be better to the whole world to creat the EUUA "Earth United Under America", then why havent we? i beleve the government is smart. Why not?

Lets see why, uh....... that the next world leader of EUUA could be what 1/3 of the population of Earth(Christians) call the son of the devil, or that the leader is fucking corrupted.

Anyways, is the USA still a superpower, Yes. US can take out any country, and if went with a nuke war with any country expect Russia or both China and Russia(team), the US will survive. Basically, going against the US in war or nuclear war will be suicide. If Russia did declare a full-out nuclear war with the USA, then the United States will lose, but Russia will lose as well because that will cause the end of the world.

Then again, Russia declaring a full-out nuke war with the US will not happen because they are scared of getting blown up, or they don't want to be the one who screwed up the world. Same goes for an all out nuclear war with US versus every country. If it did happen, the US will definitely lose, but so will the other fucking countries. Remember, all of the countries combined without the US could destroy Earth as we know it. So if all expect the United State's nuclear weapons blew up, the Earth will be screwed.

So yes, the other countries need us, even though they hate us. They could lose their economy or even their country if they went into a war with the United States of America.


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At 1/13/07 08:28 PM, Culpeo wrote: Thank you celladoor, you are right. but, the reason i cam up with this question was becuase my understanding is that a lot of the world hates us, but the depend on us, so my reason was that hate grows. if the world hated us enough, would they still be able live without us?

Well the thing is, there are alot of people in the world that admire the US as well. It's just that the people that hate us carry the megaphones, so to speak.

More people apply for US citizenship than for every other country in the world combined, so obviously there is a significant segment of people in the world that like America enough to become citizens.

Probaly not, but still. there is nothing in the world that i doubt 100%

Um the world could lose alot of its economic, financial, and security dependence on the US if they pulled the right strings, but it would take decades, if not a century or two. But the thing is, the world economy is so highly integrated with the fluctuations and events in the US market, that they would suffer horribly if they were to cut off ties with the US. It would take serious effort from the entire world in cooperation to situate themselves to become independent of the US.

But this would just lead to a gigantic war because no matter what the public opinion of the US in Asia and Europe, their governments know that if the US wasn't as powerful as it is, the world would be ALOT worse. The US is the only benevolent superpower in history, we have never taken spoils or conquered a country that we've gained victory over in our history of 43 victorious wars.

Think about it, after WWII the US emerged as the worlds most powerful country by far, and the only country with nukes. What did we do with our power? We rebuilt our ENEMY'S country with our own money, free of charge, allowed them all to have democracies. And these countries we defeated or saved are the most successful and prosperous countries in the world (Italy, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Japan).

Now, that was the first time in HISTORY that a victorious nation didn't use its power to conquer after a resounding victory. If ANY other country in the world was in the position the US was in, and IS in, they would most certainly have conquered and subjugated their enemies and even their previous allies. Think about it, the US could have claimed Europe for itself and nuked the Soviets into oblivion (the soviets didn't have the A-bomb yet), but no, the US showed enormous mercy and the 8 most successful economies in the world, EVEN CHINA owe their prosperity to the US.

Do you think Britain would have rebuilt Germany, Japan, and Italy and allowed them to have a Democracy if the Brits were as powerful as the US after WWII? Fuck no they wouldn't. If they did, it would have been the first time in history that the British didn't enslave their enemies.

So the fact is, it doesn't matter that some people hate the US. Because the intelligent people in power may talk trash, but know that for the time being, they need the US.

And hatred for the US is usually stems from misinformation, jealousy, and sheer intimidation anyway. Anyone who hates the US and accuses the US of imperialism is obviously just ignoring their own country, disregarding their own faults, and just focusing on America to salvage their own dignity.

At 1/13/07 09:28 PM, Culpeo wrote: is our size and diversity a problem to our status as a world leader? everyone in the world should be entitled to there own opions. in america, we are(for the most part).

so with the major divisions in our culture like race, and political party. which already hampers our full unity. can our lack of said unity, made only worse by our double standerization, be a threat to our status?

First of all, throughout our history we have been a very diverse country. I don't see diversity in itself as a bad thing, actually its a very good thing because the US basically represents people from all walks of life, from all countries. We are a very worldly nation.

But I can see why you have concerns, because it does appear today that our country is being torn apart by feuding ideologies and a wave of illegal immigrants who don't assimilate into our culture. This is creating a vast segment of society (11-30 million) that don't pay taxes, don't learn English, and receive social services, medical care, and so forth all while not contributing to these services. Then... there are the people in our government that want this to happen, that WANT our country to baby-sit illegal immigrants and give them citizenship so that they can vote. And if you look at the facts, its obvious that hispanics are likely to vote Democrat, so the Democrats want these illegals to become legal voters so that Democrats gain a monopoly over the government.

So it appears to me that there are people in this country that care more about getting themselves into power and forcing their view son the rest of the country, regardless of whether or not this is good for the country.

Heres an example. In the US we used to have a 'first come first serve' way of accepting immigrants to our country. In this method, we got mostly Asians and Europeans who came to our country, gained education, and contributed greatly. But the Democrats wanted our country to give favor to people from poorer nations, therefore there is a cap, a limit that was set in place by Democrats to make it so that 80% of legalized immigrants to America were living in poverty in their native countries.

When this was done, a vast majority of priority went to Mexican and other Central/South Americans who despite this, still side-step our immigration system and come here illegally in mass.

So basically our country is getting flooded with people who hate our country and don't want to contribute to it by paying taxes, and obeying our laws, but still expect social services like welfare and Medicaid. Then, anyone who opposes this is branded to be a racist, and therefore the people who are concerned about this are attacked by their political opponents who care more about politics than they do for the well being of their own country.

Now with all this said, the only way the US will be destroyed is from within, or from a nuclear war that would end the entire world. Our superpower status isn't really in jeopardy. But our status as a harmonious nation certainly is, and the negative effects of this might take decade to be resolved. I think the age of the American Dream is over, if Democrats have their way, we'll just become another pussy ass socialist nation that allows itself to be destroyed in order to upkeep political correctness.

end rant.


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Response to Is America still a Superpower? 2007-01-14 01:15:02 Reply

At 1/13/07 10:46 PM, Culpeo wrote: then why havent we? if it would be better to the whole world to creat the EUUA "Earth United Under America", then why havent we? i beleve the government is smart. Why not?

Because the US doesn't desire the rule the world, only make sure that no body with malevolent intentions rules the world in our stead.

I do believe the world would be better if everyone adopted an American style constitution, but then again I think that the very creation of America was a miraculous occurrence that can't really exist in other parts of the world. I think the creation of America itself was a perfect blend of the right people, at the right time who created the right thing in the right circumstances. I don't think any other country could possibly achieve what America achieved in such a [relatively] small amount of time. America turned from a subjugated nation of poor farmers, then America defeated the worlds most powerful and imperialistic empire in history, then centuries later saved the very country it defeated. The US saved the world from both the Germans and the Soviets, which certainly would have conquered if the US wasn't there.

Also, I believe that if/when the world is united under a central government it will be a sign that the end of the world is nigh anyway. And if/when the world is united under a central government, the US will be long gone, or it will exist in a morally degraded state and not really resemble the founding ideal of America (hense, what the Democrats are trying to do).


Yay, Obama won. Let's thank his supporters: -The compliant mainstream media for their pro-Obama propaganda. -Black Panthers for their intimidation of voters.

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