Will USA Bring Democracy to Iraq?

[Rosenthorp-I]

Will USA bring democracy to iraq??? my thoght is that the iraqies will refuse it...but some wil laccept it and maybe democracy will be put up in iraq...i dont know why it needs to be now that mad man died but...i think making iraq a democracy can make further problems, such as: them getting angry with us about tax's...us getting angry with them not obbiding the law well enuff...and stuff like that...Respond to this!

[TheloniousMONK]

Uhmmmmm... that was the purpose all along... to bring democracy to Iraq. No one wants to be oppressed by corrupted rulers. I heard they want to be like 'the rest of the world,' but to keep their own values. That has been our intention all along.

[implodinggoat]

Why would they get angry at us about taxes?

[karasz]

At 4/16/03 01:11 AM, whyme04 wrote: Will USA bring democracy to iraq??? my thoght is that the iraqies will refuse it...but some wil laccept it and maybe democracy will be put up in iraq...i dont know why it needs to be now that mad man died but...i think making iraq a democracy can make further problems, such as: them getting angry with us about tax's...us getting angry with them not obbiding the law well enuff...and stuff like that...Respond to this!

ok first u say iraqis will refuse it... BUT some will accpet it... its one or the other man...

um... people understand that taxes need to be used to pay for the govt to provide at the very least police and military...

well right now they are in a state of total anarchy... wait about 3 months until the marines calm things down in baghdad and looting drops... THEN complain about a democracy...

besides AS long as the leader of the iraqi democracy is backed by the US... IRAQ will be a democracy... and then with the US controlling the kuwaiti rulers and the iraqi rulers... before u know it OPEC is pretty pro-US...

[TheEvilOne]

The new Iraq will be much more democratic than the old one, no questions asked.

Some Iraqis are complaining about the idea of the US running an interim government, but the bottom line is that Saddam is gone, and a new government controlled by the Iraqi people will soon be in place.

People question whether the Iraqi people will accept Western democracy, but the Iraqis will choose the form of the new government. It may be similar to American democracy, but it will be built with Iraqi interests in mind.

[karasz]

At 4/16/03 01:29 AM, TheEvilOne wrote: The new Iraq will be much more democratic than the old one, no questions asked.

true...

Some Iraqis are complaining about the idea of the US running an interim government, but the bottom line is that Saddam is gone, and a new government controlled by the Iraqi people will soon be in place.

how is it controlled by the iraqi people when the entire govt in controll was not voted by the iraqi people and has been living in europe/us for the past 12 years?

People question whether the Iraqi people will accept Western democracy, but the Iraqis will choose the form of the new government. It may be similar to American democracy, but it will be built with Iraqi interests in mind.

for the next 5-10 years the US will have ultimate say over who is in control of the Iraqi govt... so now we control the kuwait vote in OPEC and the Iraq vote once it is in...

[Slizor]

I think there is a slim to none chance that the USA will bring "democracy" (note: Western Democracy is an oxymoron) to Iraq. The US has never strived towards democracy unless it is in its own benefit, it would actually be a bad idea to install democracy in Iraq from the American viewpoint as they wouldn't be able to control the leader.

[JMHX]

We sure brought Afghanistan some democracy, didn't we? If democracy means a leader being shot at nearly every time he shows himself a "democracy". We just love to spread Mid-East anti-Americanism in every possible way. Of course we're not going to bring democracy to Iraq - the oil fields were the first things to be liberated and purchased by American contractors. Before the war was even over, bidding was going on for who was going to turn on the fields and take control. Good thing we liberated those tortured fields.

[MrTrivia]

I'm not sure if the Iraqi people would know how to run a democracy. All Muslim nations have been dictatorships and Muslim is an Arabic word meaning "One who submits". If you were told to run a representative government after generations of being told to submit to a dictator, wouldn't you have trouble adjusting?

[TheEvilOne]

At 4/17/03 09:11 PM, mr_trivia wrote: I'm not sure if the Iraqi people would know how to run a democracy. All Muslim nations have been dictatorships and Muslim is an Arabic word meaning "One who submits". If you were told to run a representative government after generations of being told to submit to a dictator, wouldn't you have trouble adjusting?

Maybe a little. But we're going to help them. The word "Muslim" does mean "one who submits", but the idea of Islam is that Muslims submit to Allah, not to a dictator. I think the Iraqis will be quite capable of running a democracy... or a republic, or whatever you want to call it. I don't want to argue with Slizor over the definition of a democracy again. :)

[karasz]

At 4/17/03 09:11 PM, mr_trivia wrote: I'm not sure if the Iraqi people would know how to run a democracy.

well it depends on who u listen to in the political thought process of the world... and based on what do u not think the iraqi people are ready for democracy?

All Muslim nations have been dictatorships

Turkey, its a democracy, that kills Kurds, but a democracy none the less...

and Muslim is an Arabic word meaning "One who submits".

im pretty sure that it means 'submit to Allah' cuz that is there god...

If you were told to run a representative government after generations of being told to submit to a dictator, wouldn't you have trouble adjusting?

no, as long as the constitution provides them with the ability to speak freely and protest which is funny cuz some sunni muslims protested the I[raqi] N[ational] C[ongress] ya know the group of guys that have been living in the US and Europe and never has been voted on by the people to represent the Iraqi people... i love democracy

i love this world...

[TheloniousMONK]

At 4/18/03 03:10 AM, karasz wrote: no, as long as the constitution provides them with the ability to speak freely and protest which is funny cuz some sunni muslims protested the I[raqi] N[ational] C[ongress] ya know the group of guys that have been living in the US and Europe and never has been voted on by the people to represent the Iraqi people... i love democracy

I do not see why people fuss about the government set up by the coalition. It must be done. If we just handed the country over to all the liberated citizens of Iraq, they would just have another person rise up to power again. This way, we can make sure that they get adjusted without some other dictator coming in. After all, it IS an interim government.

[FUNKbrs]

personally, I think that while the US is in charge of installing a new government now, it will become too much of a hassle because of anti-american sentiment. If were smart, we would turn Iraq over to a muslim country, and claim we are not capable of installing a government in a culture we do not understand. This way we can look generous and respectful without getting assloads of our soldiers killed. of course we would have to give up the oil interests, but supposedly thats not why we were there anyway.

[Jimsween]

If we dont bring democracy to Iraq than the UN will, but i'm pretty sure we will bring it because we are under pressure from all the other countries in the world.

[karasz]

At 4/18/03 12:19 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: personally, I think that while the US is in charge of installing a new government now, it will become too much of a hassle because of anti-american sentiment.

but if the idea works then the anti-american sentiment wont have a leg to stand on since we turned a vicious totalatarian govt into a prospering democracy... OR it will fail and turn IRAQ into IRAQ under Saddam 2...

If were smart, we would turn Iraq over to a muslim country, and claim we are not capable of installing a government in a culture we do not understand. This way we can look generous and respectful without getting assloads of our soldiers killed.

and give up their vote in OPEC??? yeah right, the govt set up will be in control for quite some time...

of course we would have to give up the oil interests, but supposedly thats not why we were there anyway.

of course not, we were to do uh... oh yeah get them into OPEC so the iraqi people can live in happiness like the people in saudi arabia

[Tastey-pies]

of coarse unless we get nuked

[JMHX]

At 4/18/03 05:07 PM, Ps2_Lover_666 wrote: of coarse unless we get nuked

Man, your posts just keep getting stupider. Anyway, we're already pushing a lot off on the U.N. and their idea of making democracy in Iraq. It went from "The U.N. will have no part of this" to "You can help rebuild some" to "Here, you take Iraq. We have Syria to invade."

[NEMESiSZ]

At 4/18/03 05:07 PM, Ps2_Lover_666 wrote: of coarse unless we get nuked

Now it all makes sense...

[FUNKbrs]

of coarse unless we get nuked

but I thought they didnt have womd? at least thats what they always said

[Shogunner696965]

Do you really think they will do it? Are they going to rename Iraq to "United States of Asia" and put new rules like no shitting or urinating in private or puplic places?

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/18/03 09:03 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

of coarse unless we get nuked

but I thought they didnt have womd? at least thats what they always said

I reckon they probably do. They cant launch it very far though. It couldnt even reach the UK.

By WMD I mean chemical/biological, not nuclear. Nukes are bloody complicated.

[FUNKbrs]

At 4/19/03 11:29 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/18/03 09:03 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

of coarse unless we get nuked

but I thought they didnt have womd? at least thats what they always said

I reckon they probably do. They cant launch it very far though. It couldnt even reach the UK.

if the terrorist have womd, they wouldnt have made them themselves, they would have bought them from one of the splinter groups from the fall of russia. the main reason a lot of these new countries formed was because they were muslim, and russia was an athiest government. It would only make sense that they would sell high quality icbmwomd to oil rich muslim countries like iraq to help jumpstart their economies with a little quick cash. of course, what do I know?

By WMD I mean chemical/biological, not nuclear. Nukes are bloody complicated.

[pyropymp]

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At 4/16/03 01:11 AM, whyme04 wrote: Will USA bring democracy to iraq??? my thoght is that the iraqies will refuse it...but some wil laccept it and maybe democracy will be put up in iraq...i dont know why it needs to be now that mad man died but...i think making iraq a democracy can make further problems, such as: them getting angry with us about tax's...us getting angry with them not obbiding the law well enuff...and stuff like that...Respond to this!

[karasz]

At 4/18/03 10:54 AM, jazz_mazter wrote: I do not see why people fuss about the government set up by the coalition. It must be done.

i know it must be done... but dont call it a democracy when no Iraqi citizens have voted for it...

If we just handed the country over to all the liberated citizens of Iraq, they would just have another person rise up to power again.

probably yeah... but just remember MY complaint is that isnt not a democratic govt... since nobody voted for them...

This way, we can make sure that they get adjusted without some other dictator coming in. After all, it IS an interim government.

how come the US founding fathers set up a democracy but nobody else can??? i mean doesnt anyone think that its weird?

it would be easier to just have a US official be in charge of iraq for like 3-5 years... hopefully then the country will get on its feet and be able to do some stuff...

[Jimsween]

At 4/19/03 07:17 PM, karasz wrote:

how come the US founding fathers set up a democracy but nobody else can??? i mean doesnt anyone think that its weird?

The first democracy they set up failed.

it would be easier to just have a US official be in charge of iraq for like 3-5 years... hopefully then the country will get on its feet and be able to do some stuff...

I thought that was what the plan was.