killing over religion

[HogWashSoup]

dont you think its pretty stupid that people kill over religioun? pretty much in most religions it has something to do with "thou shall not kill"

the once that do kill because of religion pretty much go and scratch off "thou shall not kill" off. and if their is a hell, that alone will send them to hell.

i know that it is something that has been going on since there has ever been religion. but still, its pretty stupid. no one knows the truth. its unprovable. it is only a matter of faith. only way to find out is to die.

[Imperator]

I think most people who kill in the name of religion are either tricked, forced, or somehow coerced into such a situation.

I think there is always an underlying reason or cause behind a war (ex, Crusades), and it just happens that religion becomes the tool of which POLITICALLY motivated wars are intensified.

People will more likely follow you if you tell them to kill for Jesus and attain spiritual purity rather than telling them to kill so that you may expand your power and prestige.......

[HogWashSoup]

the two biggest things that cause wars are religion and money. both can be good, but both can cause death.

[TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID]

Read my sig, religion doesn't cause war. Politics do. Religion is a way of life, if another way of life threatens it, you are likely to step up for it.
That has nothing to do with the religion itself.

"THou shall not kill." Is translated wrong, i had to translate the text in Greek class. And it clearly used the word phonè, which means murder instead of killing.

So that can mean, that you can kill in the extreme cases, to protect your fellow man.
Like saddam housain, he killed masses of people. If he would live, he would continue with it.

[Tomsan]

At 1/3/07 07:25 AM, TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID wrote: Read my sig, religion doesn't cause war. Politics do. Religion is a way of life, if another way of life threatens it, you are likely to step up for it.
That has nothing to do with the religion itself.

I always love religious pricks like you, still having just that idea! the crusades where politics to? and how about iran wanting to destroy israel. and jesus man there are maybe thousands of examples. really if you really believe that.. well thats sad.
you CAN blame it on the people themselves, but not on politics (which does not mean that politics dont cause war, ofcourse they do)

"THou shall not kill." Is translated wrong, i had to translate the text in Greek class. And it clearly used the word phonè, which means murder instead of killing.

first of all, another blabla story, "I had to like translate and stuff and like it said like murder not kill" FUCKIN BS. In my opnion murder is the same, I dont know what you think the difference is. You KILL an animal, you murder a human.
The most nice part in the bible is when mozes received the 10 commandments, one of which though shall not kill, and when he saw his OWN people dancing around the cow, he killed them... HOLY SHIT MAN! thats some nice religion right there.

So that can mean, that you can kill in the extreme cases, to protect your fellow man.
Like saddam housain, he killed masses of people. If he would live, he would continue with it.

eh.. I dont know maybe lock him up?

[TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID]

Religious pricks like me? Crusades we're not only about religion. The Eastern-Roman empire was at war with the Muslim Kalifs. Remember that the Pope had his own state. He just used faith as an extra arguement. Europe was devided between feodale rulers that had their own fights, the pope wanted to bring stabilty by getting a public enemy.

Europe was also at permanent war with the muslim world, they just reconquered spain, and might have wanted to create a diversion in the East.

So only a fool would say that it was over religion, it wasn't. It was over influence.
And remember, nothing starts for one reason.

[Tomsan]

At 1/3/07 08:34 AM, TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID wrote: Crusades we're not only about religion.

Nice! I rest my case

[Leeloo-Minai]

At 1/3/07 08:50 AM, Tomsan wrote:

At 1/3/07 08:34 AM, TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID wrote: Crusades we're not only about religion.

Nice! I rest my case

Pretty weak case. Try a western civ class, and maybe a theology course, to get a better perspective on the times.

[Tomsan]

ok youre right so then ill give examples of holy wars, or jihads or any other religion based war:

first, the jihad that is going on right now. do you really think those muslims are blowing themselves up for political reasons? NO they believe in there god and act in the name of there god.

the civilwar in ireland is between the catolics and the protestantsgoing on right now too

there were many leaders in europe who declared war on anyone who did not accept jesus christ as there god. Constantine for example but I know there are many more (I dont feel like looking them up but believe me on my word this time plz). further more there were centuries of prosicution of what we call "ketters" those who did not believe in the right god. when you lived in europe in the dark ages and you didnt believe in JS you would be hanged.

You have a long lasting war in france between the catholics and the protestants somewhere in the 16th centurie.
* The role of war in the development and spread of major religions, such as Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, and various sects
* Religious Wars in Europe (1559-1715) including the French religious wars, the Schmalkaldic War, and the Thirty Years' War
* Theology and war including concepts such as holy war, jihad, liberation theology, millennialism, the medieval Catholic doctrine of tyrannicide, pacifism, and events such as the US Revolutionary War or Confucianist and Neo-Confucianist writings
* The role of religion in major wars and conflicts, including specific events such as the Crusades, Byzantine-Muslim War of 645, and religious wars in Ethiopia, 1529-1543
* Religious-based conflicts and wars in the contemporary world including Egypt, India, Indonesia, Kashmir, Latin America, Israel, North Africa, Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, and Tibet

you also have the Reconquista, considered as a holy war.

the Rotuma's Religious Wars

now I am done but I am sure there are many more.
You can always say there also were political issues at hand, the urge to conquer has always been there, but what counts is the idea the people had. not the leaders.
The crusades maybe were a war to obtain new land etc. but thats not what the people thought. they just felt it was there holy dutie to conquer jerusalem.

comon I mean you really cannot say that religion doesnt cause wars, there are to many examples that show otherwise.

[Oreily]

Religion is the most fought over issue in the world as we know it, it's been going for much longer then many countries have even been around, now some of you are using the quote "Thou Shall not Kill" that quote isn't in every religion, some see killing as a way to worship even if that means taking your 1 year old and gutting it.

[Tomsan]

At 1/3/07 01:01 PM, Grammer wrote: You can't kill over religion unless your religion tells you to kill. You can kill, based upon your interpretation of your religion, but if someone tells you to not kill someone, then after you do kill someone, you can't very well blame the person who told you not to kill, now can you?

first time I agree with a post from your hand. So I guess you say your religion (christianity) isnt causing wars because it doesnt say in the bible that you must kill. the argumentation is correct only I feel that althought it doesnt say that in the bible the way people express there religion is often abused. and since alot of religions are abused by mankind I strongly oppose those religions for it is just a solid feeding ground for hate and anger. interpretation has always been an issue in religion and thats what makes it dangerous.
So yes I do blame religion itself even though I agree with your statement.

[MortifiedPenguins]

People kill over anything. We kill over land, government styles, money, resources ect ect.

Man just kills.

[tigershark13]

i believe the correct phrase is thou shalt not kill. UNLESS he has different beliefs from you.'

[Tomsan]

haha

aru serious?