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At 1/2/07 01:55 AM, Espa wrote:

At 1/2/07 01:43 AM, looksgood wrote: Works the same way, gravity evidence is that you get pulled to earth...God evidence is that there IS an earth to be pulled to.

No, it does NOT work the same way. I'm pretty sure sure we both wouldn't believe in gravity IF there was a better theory and IF there wasn't evidence that gravity did exist. God is not evidence, it's the Theory.

close minded fool

And doing this doesn't imply in any way that we are agnostic, that just doesn't make any sense. It shows that there are some people who actually believe we shouldn't agree with something because we fear what it might do to us if we don't. It's much more deeper than "attention whoring".

not really these are mainly punk kids who are being attention whore... half of them wouldent even understand the pint you just made

The concept of God goes against everything people fought for. Things like freedom of expression, equality among people and enjoying life. Religion is the reason for enough wars, deaths and close-mindedness. This is why I truly want to help the world get rid of this primitive thought and maybe make it a more peaceful place.

we still have freedom of expression how has religion hindered freedom of speech? many people enjoy life regardless of religion... im religious and i am happy...yeah but a war over oil land water food territory pride money respect.... these things dont start wars just religion... seriously very few major wars have been started for religion recently

I thought it was a great and unique thing to do, I hope some people out there actually take time to think about what we're saying.

yeah and some just want the DVD and some want to be seen as " rebel" or " cool"

At 1/2/07 02:32 AM, Shawtey wrote:

At 1/2/07 01:43 AM, looksgood wrote:

At 1/1/07 11:36 PM, Espa wrote: Also, I refuse to even consider the existence of a god that will torture me for all eternity because I didn't believe in something that I've never seen any evidence of.

You mean to tell me that you refuse to consider the existance of gravity that will pull you to the ground and break every bone in your body just because you did not believe in it because you never seen it and have no evidence of it?

Works the same way, gravity evidence is that you get pulled to earth...God evidence is that there IS an earth to be pulled to.

yeah i agree... you say gravity is caused my molecular bonds... i say its caused by a giant pink elephant in the center of the earth that sucks everything down with his trunk

No, I don't say, there IS scientific proof that all objects have a force that pulls everything towards themselves(Yes, even you). But our masses are too small to cause any significant difference. The earth, on the other side, has a huge mass and therefore, makes us get pulled towards it. (Molecular bonds and pink elephants? Stop that.)

Atheism: Cannot be proven

Religion: Cannot be proven

One has fact and evidence; the other has faith and belief

END!

At 1/2/07 02:37 AM, Shawtey wrote:
close minded fool

How am I the close-minded fool?

not really these are mainly punk kids who are being attention whore... half of them wouldent even understand the pint you just made

They're dooming themselves to eternal damnation for the attention? Seriously, I doubt it.

we still have freedom of expression how has religion hindered freedom of speech? many people enjoy life regardless of religion... im religious and i am happy...yeah but a war over oil land water food territory pride money respect.... these things dont start wars just religion... seriously very few major wars have been started for religion recently

According to the bible:
We can't blaspheme, we can't talk about other gods, we have to believe what the bible says or we're going to hell, we can't eat shellfish (no joke), we can't accept (or be) gay people, we can't fantasize.... I could go further but you know...

yeah and some just want the DVD and some want to be seen as " rebel" or " cool"

Would anyone - - Anyone sell their soul for a DVD or to be seen as rebel or cool? By "sell their souls" I mean that, if they believe in hell and heaven, they'd be aware that they're going to pay A LOT for this. In the eyes of your god, this is worse than murder.

Atheists aren't seen as rebel or cool and you know it. We're seen as ignorant, doomed to hell, flagburners, potheads and now apparently "attention whores". Geez, what a world.

I'll go to sleep now, I can't defend myself or my thinking anymore. Just think about what we're doing. Please stop conforming, start listening.

yeah i agree... you say gravity is caused my molecular bonds... i say its caused by a giant pink elephant in the center of the earth that sucks everything down with his trunk

NOW were getting somewhere

YES, FUCKING HEIL YOUR LORD JESUSCHRIST AND KILL THOUSANDS IN Y NAME BECAUSE I FUCKING RULEEEE!!! TASTE MY LIGHTNING, FUCKERRRS!!

There really is no reason for this besides a marketing scheme/ pissing religious people off. Atheists who push their non-belief down your throat are just as bad as religious nuts (of any god, not just Christianity). Both Christians and atheist need to learn to shut the fuck up and let each other be.

As for myself, I'm agnostic.

At 1/1/07 10:12 PM, Dauss wrote:

At 1/1/07 10:10 PM, shohaib wrote: interesting....but it doesnt proof much

It proves how sure you are of the non-existance of God.

I might just do it, I'm not sure yet.

If you seriously didn't believe in God, why would you have to do this at all? Or care about it? I can't find the word for this website/project but I am thinking along the lines of hypocritical, pointless or ironically redundant?

At 1/1/07 11:14 PM, Eggy wrote:

At 1/1/07 11:10 PM, CleansingFlame wrote: I prefer to belive in an after life because if theres not one, then we'll just cease to exist. I dislike thinking about that.

Wow, this is why atheists get mad at christians, you don't like something so you pretend it doesnt exist?!! It's too hard to deal with??! thats the sort of thinking that leads to drugs & alcohol.

What about murder, crime, poor people, global warming, do you simply pretend it doesn't exist?

Are you out of your 1337h4xors mind, kid? "Atheists get mad at Christians?" You speak for all nonbelievers??? And you can't state for a fact that after death there is nothing-- I know atheists who [duh] don't believe in God or anything like that but will say that they still don't know what comes after and therefore they like to think maybe they will still have a continuation via apparition or something. Point = stick a cock in it. "so you pretend it doesn't exist" equals an immature way to make a point, by acting like you're speaking about some sort of fact when you're in a debate which exists solely because there is no known fact.

Aethiests are so pooptacular.

At 1/2/07 01:43 AM, looksgood wrote:

Works the same way, gravity evidence is that you get pulled to earth...God evidence is that there IS an earth to be pulled to.

Problem with that statement is, there's no evidence that God was the one who CREATED that Earth. There IS however, evidence that has been scientifically proven that gravity exists.

Word of advice to all: Don't follow any religion blindly. Understand and be able to explain & justify what you believe before attacking people who disagree.

At 1/2/07 04:03 AM, Bolo wrote:

At 1/2/07 01:43 AM, looksgood wrote:

Works the same way, gravity evidence is that you get pulled to earth...God evidence is that there IS an earth to be pulled to.

Problem with that statement is, there's no evidence that God was the one who CREATED that Earth. There IS however, evidence that has been scientifically proven that gravity exists.

Word of advice to all: Don't follow any religion blindly. Understand and be able to explain & justify what you believe before attacking people who disagree.

1)Pics or GTFO.
2)The attacking statement needs to be applied to everyone of any following or un-following alike. I have never pushed anyone to believe in my God, however I have been attacked without provoking anyone in order to try and force me into disbelieving.

Whatever happened to to each his own or live and let live?

What annoyed me about that site was the little add they made where it says jesus will forgive you with one exception and it does that retarded music.

Hey Jesus. YOU'RE NOT REAL. YOU NEVER EXSISTED IN THE FIRST PLAC.! K. THNX. BYE.

Christ.

At 1/2/07 04:07 AM, tATu-phreak wrote: 1)Pics or GTFO.
2)The attacking statement needs to be applied to everyone of any following or un-following alike. I have never pushed anyone to believe in my God, however I have been attacked without provoking anyone in order to try and force me into disbelieving.

Whatever happened to to each his own or live and let live?

Unfortunately, religion is negatively harming society, even as we speak, so a philosophy of "live and let live" as you say, is impractical and frankly, irresponsible.

Let's just say for a moment that religion had never existed. That none of us had ever suddenly decided to worship a big jolly omnipotent man in the sky.

*snap* There goes war in the middle east.

*snap* There goes 50% of all wars that have ever happened.

*snap* There goes the crusades.

*snap* There goes the holocaust (No jews = No holocaust).

*snap* There goes Christian inhibitions about scientific advancement.

*snap* There goes Darfur, Rwanda, religiously-inspired ethnic genocides.

*snap* There goes AIDS in Africa (Christian leaders refusing to help protect Africans on the basis that AIDS=Homosexuality)

*snap* There goes societies where people who are born gay are ostracized simply by virtue of genetic abberration.

*snap* There goes pedophillic priests preying on unsuspecting youngsters/ scarring them both physically and mentally for the rest of their lives.

*snap* There goes the entire Spanish Inquisition

I could go on, but I won't. The point is, at this point we'd be a lot better off without religion than we currently are WITH religion. I'm not saying No Religion = No problems. I'm just saying that its impossible to deny that in the long run, religion hasn't been a good thing for mankind.

If we let ourselves be governed by what can be proven, as opposed to what we simply "believe" to be true, we would know more deeply, the meaning of our lives. In fact, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now...

At 1/2/07 02:42 AM, Espa wrote:

No, I don't say, there IS scientific proof that all objects have a force that pulls everything towards themselves(Yes, even you). But our masses are too small to cause any significant difference. The earth, on the other side, has a huge mass and therefore, makes us get pulled towards it. (Molecular bonds and pink elephants? Stop that.)

oh really... well all this scientific "proof" is caused by a giant pink elephant... he was the one who did the research to try and trick non believers.... they, including you will go to the garden of death where the purple puppy's will gnaw at your soul for all of eternity

At 1/2/07 04:40 AM, Shawtey wrote:
oh really... well all this scientific "proof" is caused by a giant pink elephant... he was the one who did the research to try and trick non believers.... they, including you will go to the garden of death where the purple puppy's will gnaw at your soul for all of eternity

Just forget it, your physics teacher will explain it much better than me if you are still in school. Ask him if a pink elephant can modify the scientific data that was gathered.

I couldn't sleep so i got back in the forums

At 1/2/07 02:57 AM, Espa wrote:

They're dooming themselves to eternal damnation for the attention? Seriously, I doubt it.

they are atheist but they dont understand why... most these kids are atheist because they have no logic and no reasoning

we still have freedom of expression how has religion hindered freedom of speech? many people enjoy life regardless of religion... im religious and i am happy...yeah but a war over oil land water food territory pride money respect.... these things dont start wars just religion... seriously very few major wars have been started for religion recently

According to the bible:
We can't blaspheme, we can't talk about other gods, we have to believe what the bible says or we're going to hell, we can't eat shellfish (no joke), we can't accept (or be) gay people, we can't fantasize.... I could go further but you know...

yes... and Christianity IS THE ONLY RELIGION! seriously there are other religions and just because im Christian doesn't mean i have to follow the bible word for word... fuck the bible its filled to the brim with crap...

yeah and some just want the DVD and some want to be seen as " rebel" or " cool"

Would anyone - - Anyone sell their soul for a DVD or to be seen as rebel or cool? By "sell their souls" I mean that, if they believe in hell and heaven, they'd be aware that they're going to pay A LOT for this. In the eyes of your god, this is worse than murder.

you assume im Christian why? and again they are ATHEISTS BUT THEY CANT SAY ANY PARTICULAR INTELLIGENT REASON WHY

Atheists aren't seen as rebel or cool and you know it. We're seen as ignorant, doomed to hell, flagburners, potheads and now apparently "attention whores". Geez, what a world.

yeah again you're stereotyping... since when did not believing in the super natural become anything to do with weed flags and ignorance? ... its just some of the stupid kids want to be "rebellious" because its "cool"

I'll go to sleep now, I can't defend myself or my thinking anymore. Just think about what we're doing. Please stop conforming, start listening.

conforming? ... LOL... i haven't conformed to anything i form my own thoughts and judgments about what i personally believe...

PHO-Q

At 1/2/07 04:32 AM, Bolo wrote:

I could go on, but I won't. The point is, at this point we'd be a lot better off without religion than we currently are WITH religion. I'm not saying No Religion = No problems. I'm just saying that its impossible to deny that in the long run, religion hasn't been a good thing for mankind.

If we let ourselves be governed by what can be proven, as opposed to what we simply "believe" to be true, we would know more deeply, the meaning of our lives. In fact, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now...

That entire list was ridiculous, not because I am going to sit here and be all "yay religion," but because every single one of those things could have happened sans religion but in a different way. I don't think I need to give real specifics but you need to recognize that religion governs everything in the entire world, really, and that it is deep within every grain of every thing. No religion... no America. There goes number one on a list versus your list. It is unfair to say that religion causes these problems without recognizing that religions has given us the answers to many problems equally, and that all of those problms you stated could have existed in an alternate universe because people are dicks and not just because of religion [haven't you ever heard that Hitler just used the Jews as a scapegoat? And besides that, that MANY people other than JEWS died?]

I accept your list, but nothing will ever be able to be co-existing logically [since I guess you all keep pushing some sort of 'logic' against those who believe in religion, as if they didn't have logic themselves..] until you equally accet that you are not infallible and that your points have equal opposites.

At 1/2/07 04:44 AM, Espa wrote:

Just forget it, your physics teacher will explain it much better than me if you are still in school. Ask him if a pink elephant can modify the scientific data that was gathered.

I couldn't sleep so i got back in the forums

You are missing the point that some people simply believe differently. No one says you have to live it but you need to accept it because above ALL things in faith V anti-faith, the SINGLE fact is that BOTH exist.

Also, while I am here... something that really grinds my gears is a person who will call a believer in a religion a "conformist." Not everyone believes because they feel they have to. Some people sincerely believe for whatever reason. You cannot deny them their reason.

The bottom line is people need to be more responsible with what they are saying and learn to have reasonable discussion the right way. Don't make generalizations, don't be an immature little prick and pretend that your side is the ONLY side and don't reply with ignorance [pwn'd, lawl, +1 etc.]

i will personally pay pal anyone $1,000 if they can disprove giant pink elephant

At 1/2/07 04:59 AM, Shawtey wrote: i will personally pay pal anyone $1,000 if they can disprove giant pink elephant

You know, in my physics class my teacher explained gravity as several little gnomes who live in the core of the earth and tug on invisible strings when we move.

Obviously, you are wrong.. I mean, a pink elephant? Ha! Also, gnome is just clearly the cooler of the two word choices.... I demand my eCheck.

At 1/2/07 05:02 AM, tATu-phreak wrote:

At 1/2/07 04:59 AM, Shawtey wrote: i will personally pay pal anyone $1,000 if they can disprove giant pink elephant

You know, in my physics class my teacher explained gravity as several little gnomes who live in the core of the earth and tug on invisible strings when we move.

Obviously, you are wrong.. I mean, a pink elephant? Ha! Also, gnome is just clearly the cooler of the two word choices.... I demand my eCheck.

you didnt prove me wrong you just said that gnomes are cooler than pink elephants... which is wrong because the almighty pink elephant killed the gnomes and took over because he has more intelligence... elephants never forget anything

you cant just say im wrong because it doesn't sound right... the fact that the sun is relatively small and we orbit around it doesn't seem right from our perspective ...

TRY AGAIN

At 1/2/07 05:08 AM, Shawtey wrote:

you didnt prove me wrong you just said that gnomes are cooler than pink elephants... which is wrong because the almighty pink elephant killed the gnomes and took over because he has more intelligence... elephants never forget anything

you cant just say im wrong because it doesn't sound right... the fact that the sun is relatively small and we orbit around it doesn't seem right from our perspective ...

TRY AGAIN

.........Somewhere within me there is this feeling that you didn't really grasp the sarcasm. And then there is this other feeling reaffirming the first, the feeling that perhaps you haven't read any of my other posts on this thread.

At 1/2/07 04:47 AM, Shawtey wrote:

At 1/2/07 02:57 AM, Espa wrote:

you assume im Christian why? and again they are ATHEISTS BUT THEY CANT SAY ANY PARTICULAR INTELLIGENT REASON WHY

Yes I did assume you are christian because the first post of the freaking thread links to a site that quotes the bible and the Holy Spirit and that was what I was talking about and for some reason you disagreed.

Also, did you try asking them to say any intelligent reason? No, huh?

yeah again you're stereotyping... since when did not believing in the super natural become anything to do with weed flags and ignorance? ... its just some of the stupid kids want to be "rebellious" because its "cool"

I'm not stereotyping... What I did there was say how most people that i know that believe in a God think. I did not judge anyone (why would I call myself all those things?). I know what people think of me and I didn't want to pretend I didn't know, so i said all that.

conforming? ... LOL... i haven't conformed to anything i form my own thoughts and judgments about what i personally believe...

I wasn't referring personally to you, I was trying to convince some of the "Goddidit" people to stop being afraid. I know "conforming" is a big word, I shouldn't have used it.

At 1/2/07 05:10 AM, tATu-phreak wrote:

At 1/2/07 05:08 AM, Shawtey wrote:

you didnt prove me wrong you just said that gnomes are cooler than pink elephants... which is wrong because the almighty pink elephant killed the gnomes and took over because he has more intelligence... elephants never forget anything

you cant just say im wrong because it doesn't sound right... the fact that the sun is relatively small and we orbit around it doesn't seem right from our perspective ...

TRY AGAIN

.........Somewhere within me there is this feeling that you didn't really grasp the sarcasm. And then there is this other feeling reaffirming the first, the feeling that perhaps you haven't read any of my other posts on this thread.

no... im bad at detecting Ssarcasm unless its brutally obvious... im sorry... as for your posts yes i read them... were they sarcasm too? i didnt think so but now i wonder

At 1/1/07 10:13 PM, mrbreckles wrote: haha, i like the fact that the one guy makes his video in a church.

Lollercakes D:

At 1/2/07 05:15 AM, Shawtey wrote:

no... im bad at detecting Ssarcasm unless its brutally obvious... im sorry... as for your posts yes i read them... were they sarcasm too? i didnt think so but now i wonder

No, none of the others were sarcastic. I was attempting to side with you not for any religious purposes, but for the fact that I understand what you're saying about the pink elephant even though Espa is clearly not catching on. Ha, so the gnomes were more of a joke... I would like the money though...

At 1/2/07 05:14 AM, Espa wrote:

At 1/2/07 04:47 AM, Shawtey wrote:

At 1/2/07 02:57 AM, Espa wrote:

you assume im Christian why? and again they are ATHEISTS BUT THEY CANT SAY ANY PARTICULAR INTELLIGENT REASON WHY

Yes I did assume you are christian because the first post of the freaking thread links to a site that quotes the bible and the Holy Spirit and that was what I was talking about and for some reason you disagreed.

Also, did you try asking them to say any intelligent reason? No, huh?

yes one of my closest friends is atheist... he was once a devoted Christan... then in highschool he came up with an idea... " what has god ever done for me"... now i thought this was a pretty selfish concept... then he said he renounced his faith and became atheist... i told him id give him $50 dollars if he could convert me to atheism... he tried ... with replys like " have you ever seen god" and " the concept of a guy who sits on clouds and grants wishes is foolish" which is not at all what i believe... and those wear his main two point...

my points were something like this

" its foolish to think in this huge universe that there isnt a being or race of being superior to us... ... its also foolish to neglect the slight possibility of "after life" what if god was just a race of aliens that scan your mind before you die and put you into a second body in "heaven" for being a "good" and "hell" for being bad... and with prayers... im not saying they do/dont work... but there are a few people in this world who have learn to read minds ( about 25% of the time with a technique where you watch their muscle movements and such) "

" most atheists are all " oh yeah i love scientific method its awesome!"

scientific method has failed to disprove god or religion in any matter shape or form... so in your "method" it stills remains a valid possibility"

yeah again you're stereotyping... since when did not believing in the super natural become anything to do with weed flags and ignorance? ... its just some of the stupid kids want to be "rebellious" because its "cool"

I'm not stereotyping... What I did there was say how most people that i know that believe in a God think. I did not judge anyone (why would I call myself all those things?). I know what people think of me and I didn't want to pretend I didn't know, so i said all that.

conforming? ... LOL... i haven't conformed to anything i form my own thoughts and judgments about what i personally believe...

I wasn't referring personally to you, I was trying to convince some of the "Goddidit" people to stop being afraid. I know "conforming" is a big word, I shouldn't have used it.

are you calling me stupid? i know what conforming means you fool

seriously ill give you 1000 dollars if you can disprove pink elephant

At 1/2/07 05:25 AM, Shawtey wrote:

" its foolish to think in this huge universe that there isnt a being or race of being superior to us... ... its also foolish to neglect the slight possibility of "after life" what if god was just a race of aliens that scan your mind before you die and put you into a second body in "heaven" for being a "good" and "hell" for being bad... and with prayers... im not saying they do/dont work... but there are a few people in this world who have learn to read minds ( about 25% of the time with a technique where you watch their muscle movements and such) "

" most atheists are all " oh yeah i love scientific method its awesome!"

scientific method has failed to disprove god or religion in any matter shape or form... so in your "method" it stills remains a valid possibility"

I encourage you to quit while your opponent is so far behind. In reality, the difference here is I truly see you as debating in a logical, respectful and fair manner [looking at all sides], while the opposition seems to have their "OMFG NOOB" on auto-fire ;/

At 1/2/07 05:25 AM, Shawtey wrote: are you calling me stupid? i know what conforming means you fool

No, english is not my first language and it's hard to debate when you don't know the words you're looking for, conforming isn't exactly what I meant.