Immigrants voting in the USA!

[Oblivia]

I heard the liberal viewpoint of letting immigrants have equal working wages as Americans, but to let them vote in our country is a whole another story. It's unfair if Americans can't vote in foriegn election while the immigrants can. I believe it's either we don't let the immigrants vote in our elections than their own or let us as well have the right to vote in their foriegn elections.

[TonioMiguel]

At 1/1/07 08:06 PM, Oblivia wrote: I heard the liberal viewpoint of letting immigrants have equal working wages as Americans, but to let them vote in our country is a whole another story. It's unfair if Americans can't vote in foriegn election while the immigrants can. I believe it's either we don't let the immigrants vote in our elections than their own or let us as well have the right to vote in their foreign elections.

Good point. Immigrants should be naturalized citizens and not just newcomers voting. I would think that in the majority of cultures especially ancient ones citizenship was pretty much the litmus test to whether one could participate in politics.

In the US believe it or not if you did not own land in early America you could not vote. So anyone who rented an apartment was a non-voter. They found that this was much too harsh because it would mean the wealthy would be the only voters.

I am all for equality but giving immigrants the same rights as citizens to vote goes against everything that citizenship stands for.

My answer to this topic is no. I do not feel that immigrants should vote. On the other hand, I do not feel that immigrants should continually be forced to pass exams for citizenship that many Americans themselves cannot even pass. Yet, that is another topic.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 1/1/07 08:06 PM, Oblivia wrote: I heard the liberal viewpoint of letting immigrants have equal working wages as Americans, but to let them vote in our country is a whole another story. It's unfair if Americans can't vote in foriegn election while the immigrants can. I believe it's either we don't let the immigrants vote in our elections than their own or let us as well have the right to vote in their foriegn elections.

You do realize that if they can vote, then thier citizens right.

And if your a citizen, you can only vote in the country that your a citizen of.

Or the fact that you seem to either know nothing of what your talking about, or that you can explained it in a piss poor way.

[Empanado]

At 1/1/07 08:25 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: You do realize that if they can vote, then thier citizens right.

And if your a citizen, you can only vote in the country that your a citizen of.

Or the fact that you seem to either know nothing of what your talking about, or that you can explained it in a piss poor way.

Or the fact that several countries do, in fact, allow foreign residents (i. e. Americans) to vote.

[Sigma-Lambda]

At 1/1/07 08:06 PM, Oblivia wrote: I heard the liberal viewpoint of letting immigrants have equal working wages as Americans, but to let them vote in our country is a whole another story. It's unfair if Americans can't vote in foriegn election while the immigrants can. I believe it's either we don't let the immigrants vote in our elections than their own or let us as well have the right to vote in their foriegn elections.

So, you are saying that people who move into the United States legally, and become U.S. citizens, should not be allowed to vote? Or did you mean Illegal Immigrants? Because I don't think anyone is saying illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote.

[AMFYOYO]

To topic starter; You're a moron.

[ReiperX]

You need to specify here buddy.

Legal immigrant or illegal immigrant?

If it is illegal immigrants voting, yes I agree they shouldn't get to vote.

But legal and naturalized then they have every right an American has, so well, why shouldn't they vote?

[SenorPresidente]

At 1/2/07 01:18 AM, ReiperX wrote: You need to specify here buddy.

Legal immigrant or illegal immigrant?

If it is illegal immigrants voting, yes I agree they shouldn't get to vote.

But legal and naturalized then they have every right an American has, so well, why shouldn't they vote?

that about sums it up right there

[Anitab83]

If immigrants can't vote, how can we let Ahnold be prez?

[cellardoor6]

At 1/2/07 02:58 AM, Anitab83 wrote: If immigrants can't vote, how can we let Ahnold be prez?

You make absolutely no sense.

[fli]

Now where did you hear something like that?

[LtSurge659]

If they are well informed of who they are voting for, I see no problem.

[DarkWolf-94]

Immigrants should have to stay in America for at least 5 years before they are aloud to vote.
Illegal Immigrants on the other hand should never be aloud to vote even if they do become legal immigrants.

[Cole]

At 1/1/07 08:23 PM, TonioMiguel wrote: I am all for equality but giving immigrants the same rights as citizens to vote goes against everything that citizenship stands for.

I don't think you understand what he's saying: legal immigrants who are now citizens shouldn't be able to vote. This makes no sense.

[Cole]

At 1/2/07 05:10 AM, DarkWolf-94 wrote: Illegal Immigrants on the other hand should never be aloud to vote even if they do become legal immigrants.

How do we know that they were ever illegal immigrants? There's no way to tell. If they become legal, they should be able to vote the minute they gain citizenship. End of story.

[DarkWolf-94]

illegal immigrants are committing crimes so they shouldent be aloud to vote unless they join the army, than they will have a relation with the U.S government.

[Dragon-Smaug]

At 1/2/07 09:44 AM, DarkWolf-94 wrote: illegal immigrants are committing crimes so they shouldent be aloud to vote unless they join the army, than they will have a relation with the U.S government.

Illegal immigration is a strange crime. I don't think non-citizens should be allowed in the army.

[Togukawa]

Well, I don't see any reason why they should be allowed to pay taxes, but not allowed to vote.

[Oblivia]

Whoa, hold on! You guys just totally missed my point! You guys totally twisted my words.

Okay, if a immigrant went through naturalization and legally earned citizenship, then I do not have a problem with because they are now American citizens, so this thread is not valid towards them. The real problem that I'm going at is when a foriegner who is still under the citizenship of his/her country and is voting in a American election. I call that a unfair Liberal powergrab using votes of citizens of another country and not just from ours. If the citizens of another country is allowed in our election, than we should be allowed to vote in their country!

[stafffighter]

At 1/2/07 02:58 PM, Oblivia wrote: The real problem that I'm going at is when a foriegner who is still under the citizenship of his/her country and is voting in a American election. I call that a unfair Liberal powergrab using votes of citizens of another country and not just from ours. If the citizens of another country is allowed in our election, than we should be allowed to vote in their country!

1. Do you have any proof that non citizen immegrants can vote?

2.You assume being foriegn makes them liberal?

[Sigma-Lambda]

At 1/2/07 02:58 PM, Oblivia wrote: Whoa, hold on...

But no one is saying that people who aren't citizens should be allowed to vote. How can it be a liberal powergrab when no one is saying it?

[troubles1]

At 1/2/07 02:58 AM, Anitab83 wrote: If immigrants can't vote, how can we let Ahnold be prez?

What ? serisouly go away !

to the topic starter, what are you talking about, American citizens can vote, illegal aliens can't. so can you explain what you are trying to say.

[Werewolf91]

At 1/2/07 02:58 PM, Oblivia wrote: Whoa, hold on! You guys just totally missed my point! You guys totally twisted my words.

Okay, if a immigrant went through naturalization and legally earned citizenship, then I do not have a problem with because they are now American citizens, so this thread is not valid towards them. The real problem that I'm going at is when a foriegner who is still under the citizenship of his/her country and is voting in a American election. I call that a unfair Liberal powergrab using votes of citizens of another country and not just from ours. If the citizens of another country is allowed in our election, than we should be allowed to vote in their country!

Are you talking about people who immigrate illegally and vote while still illegal immigrants? If so, no one, not even the Liberals, is trying to make it so illegal immigrants can vote in elections.

Or are you talking about people with dual citizenship voting?

[Oblivia]

At 1/2/07 05:44 PM, Werewolf91 wrote:

At 1/2/07 02:58 PM, Oblivia wrote: Whoa, hold on! You guys just totally missed my point! You guys totally twisted my words.

Are you talking about people who immigrate illegally and vote while still illegal immigrants? If so, no one, not even the Liberals, is trying to make it so illegal immigrants can vote in elections.

Or are you talking about people with dual citizenship voting?

I meant people who just only have citizenship of another country. Dual Citizenship only works on people who are below the age of 18.

[Elfer]

At 1/2/07 07:51 AM, Cole wrote: How do we know that they were ever illegal immigrants?

Check if they filed any illegal immigration forms, obviously.

[qygibo]

I would think that illegal immigrants would be a boon to conservatives. Our biggest group of illegal immigrants, with a Hispanic background, are traditionally conservative, culturally and economically. It's the second generation that those damned EEEEVIL liberals can kidnap to force them to vote liberal!

[HogWashSoup]

as long as they are american citizens they can vote.

if they are illigal then they should have no rights at all. if you are illigal then it should be illigal for you to have any job. for those who hire illigals, they will be shut down and fined or go to jail.

but if they are immigrants who have taken the time to become citizens then they can vote.

and equil wadges, i see nothing wrong with that. if an imigrant does the work, then he/she should get paid the same as their co-workers that do the same thing.

[qygibo]

At 1/2/07 08:38 PM, Oblivia wrote:

Or are you talking about people with dual citizenship voting?

I meant people who just only have citizenship of another country. Dual Citizenship only works on people who are below the age of 18.

No it doesn't. There are people who are over the age of 18 who have dual citizenship. An example off the top of my head is Mischa Barton.

[fli]

At 1/3/07 03:36 AM, qygibo wrote: I would think that illegal immigrants would be a boon to conservatives. Our biggest group of illegal immigrants, with a Hispanic background, are traditionally conservative, culturally and economically. It's the second generation that those damned EEEEVIL liberals can kidnap to force them to vote liberal!

Not Mexican immigrants. Sure, Roman Catholic and everything...
But this is a poor demographic and towards the end, they will vote Conservative but mostly Liberal for Liberals are usually the ones whom they see more down to earth.

My mother is a Conservative... but she voted Liberal Democrate (and for Nancy Pelosi, yeah mom!)

But Cubans... another hispanic demographic group. Now that's a different story--

[Leeloo-Minai]

At 1/3/07 05:23 AM, fli wrote:
But Cubans... another hispanic demographic group. Now that's a different story--

Yeah, the Cubans got their heads on straight. Of the 6 native Cubans I've come to know, 5 have declared themselves staunchly pro-Bush and pro-conservative agenda policies. Whenever I hear their stories of reall struggle and poverty under Castro, and their impressive work ethic not only for their own prosperity, but for America's as well, I can't help but feel extremely proud of the American way.

Ya know?