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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-16 23:39:33 Reply

At 11/16/14 08:46 PM, ZJ wrote: Watched ECW's Heat Wave 98 PPV today on the WWE Network.

Was it Hulk Hogan's endorsement or the 9.99 price that made you want to buy it?


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-17 22:05:07 Reply

The special guest host fell asleep mid segment and had to be shaken awake. Simply stunning.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-17 23:14:12 Reply

At 11/17/14 10:05 PM, boloneyman wrote: The special guest host fell asleep mid segment and had to be shaken awake. Simply stunning.

Lol.

On that note, Team Cena looks fucking glorious!


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-17 23:18:44 Reply

At 11/17/14 11:14 PM, SCTE3 wrote:
At 11/17/14 10:05 PM, boloneyman wrote: The special guest host fell asleep mid segment and had to be shaken awake. Simply stunning.
Lol.

On that note, Team Cena looks fucking glorious!

Erik Rowan turning face is unexpected but actually makes a lot of sense as he was having trouble standing out on his own. They had me going with Cesaro for a bit but now i'm just sad he won't be in the match or even the PPV as far as I know.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-17 23:26:37 Reply

At 11/17/14 11:18 PM, Gobblemeister wrote: Erik Rowan turning face is unexpected but actually makes a lot of sense as he was having trouble standing out on his own. They had me going with Cesaro for a bit but now i'm just sad he won't be in the match or even the PPV as far as I know.

True, I'm looking forward to Erik Rowan, Luke Harper, and Bray Wyatt all being on their own now. Hopefully they all do well and stand out. Erik Rowan though gave me a near jump scare since I did NOT see the idea of him turning face tonight.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-18 10:10:24 Reply

At 11/17/14 11:26 PM, SCTE3 wrote:
At 11/17/14 11:18 PM, Gobblemeister wrote: Erik Rowan turning face is unexpected but actually makes a lot of sense as he was having trouble standing out on his own. They had me going with Cesaro for a bit but now i'm just sad he won't be in the match or even the PPV as far as I know.
True, I'm looking forward to Erik Rowan, Luke Harper, and Bray Wyatt all being on their own now. Hopefully they all do well and stand out. Erik Rowan though gave me a near jump scare since I did NOT see the idea of him turning face tonight.

The whole point of these two teams is WWE is feeling out all the potential guys that could fill the #2 face slot while Roman Reigns and D. Bryan are on the shelf. And while I love that they are potentially putting Ziggler in that spot, the rest of the team is all just generic "big man" guys. Same goes for team Authority, with Rollins (who already has his spot) being the only exciting guy on the whole team.

It was nice to see Rowan thrown in the mix against Harper, just because they need a proper catalyst to kick off their singles careers, and going head to head is the paint-by-numbers way to do it.

It's a shame Cesaro didn't make the cut, his 3-way with Ziggler and Kidd last week was awesome. I don't know if the 2 high fliers in the SS match will be enough to overcome all the boring generic big man matchups.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-20 20:36:18 Reply

At 11/18/14 10:10 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: The whole point of these two teams is WWE is feeling out all the potential guys that could fill the #2 face slot while Roman Reigns and D. Bryan are on the shelf. And while I love that they are potentially putting Ziggler in that spot, the rest of the team is all just generic "big man" guys. Same goes for team Authority, with Rollins (who already has his spot) being the only exciting guy on the whole team.

The roster is extremely thin and WWE HAS to build up new guys now. Cena is slowing down, he's taking more acting roles, he's banged up. There's a question mark if Bryan can be back, Reigns is ahead of schedule but is he really the guy who can carry the show? They need to use stuff like this as a petri dish to try and see what they do and don't have in terms of talent that can carry the show.

It's a shame Cesaro didn't make the cut, his 3-way with Ziggler and Kidd last week was awesome. I don't know if the 2 high fliers in the SS match will be enough to overcome all the boring generic big man matchups.

Cesaro's a jobber right now sadly. Everybody beats him, over and over. Just because the smarks like him is no reason to try to pull the "he matters and isn't a jobber now because we said so". He has to be built back up before they start trying to put him into matches where the stakes are so high. He just wouldn't be believable there now, Rowan has less stank on him since he hasn't been jobbing out for weeks on end, and Harper just got a big win and the IC title off of Ziggler.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-20 22:53:03 Reply

At 11/20/14 08:36 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:
At 11/18/14 10:10 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:
The roster is extremely thin and WWE HAS to build up new guys now. Cena is slowing down, he's taking more acting roles, he's banged up. There's a question mark if Bryan can be back, Reigns is ahead of schedule but is he really the guy who can carry the show? They need to use stuff like this as a petri dish to try and see what they do and don't have in terms of talent that can carry the show.

Yeah, I totally get what they are doing. It's just sad that the only guys they have to work with right now are that old big man prototype for the most part. Not that big guys can't be awesome, but so many just rely on their physique to be their personality. I feel like that's all Ryback will ever be... and even when Reigns comes back, that's all he really is too.

What puzzles me is they actually teased a Cesaro face turn, which is a cheap and effective way to pull anyone out of a jobber spot. They could have played that out, and even had him do a double turn at the PPV to draw the Cena vs authority fued out longer, and created another top star in the process. To even tease that implies they've at least THOUGHT about using him in a bigger way.

My predictions are both Rollins and Ziggler end up as the clear top preformers of that match. In spite of that, Ryback will be the one getting all the push (taking the spot the had reserved for Reigns).. possibly going over by being the first to pin Rusev in a singles match (and sending him back to midcard). Rowan and Harper will get a feud with each other out of the dealbut never rise beyond midcard (until one or both gets away from their Wyatt family characters). Ziggler might get a short fued with Rollins but neither one will be a main-eventer until Rollins is allowed to cash in MITB.

Even worse, Bray and Ambrose will blatantly steal the show, and neither one of them will be in the main event anytime soon.

I feel like Survivor Series won't hold any big surprises or real changes to the status quo. Then again, WWE Network is free for new subscribers, so having the best possible PPV is one way to hook new customers. Maybe they WILL surprise us (but Orton showing up at the end is NOT going to be a surprise) .


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At 11/20/14 10:53 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: Yeah, I totally get what they are doing. It's just sad that the only guys they have to work with right now are that old big man prototype for the most part. Not that big guys can't be awesome, but so many just rely on their physique to be their personality. I feel like that's all Ryback will ever be... and even when Reigns comes back, that's all he really is too.

When in doubt, Vince turns to the big guys. He always does.

What puzzles me is they actually teased a Cesaro face turn, which is a cheap and effective way to pull anyone out of a jobber spot. They could have played that out, and even had him do a double turn at the PPV to draw the Cena vs authority fued out longer, and created another top star in the process. To even tease that implies they've at least THOUGHT about using him in a bigger way.

I think he fell victim to that thing Vince does where if someone starts getting over organically and being turned before Vince is ready he throws a tantrum and shits on the guy till that momentum is gone and then he can try rebuilding him later so Vince can feel like it was all "his idea". That is the number 1 thing they HAVE to stop doing IMMEDIATELY because most guys can't bounce back from that sort of thing.

My predictions are both Rollins and Ziggler end up as the clear top preformers of that match. In spite of that, Ryback will be the one getting all the push (taking the spot the had reserved for Reigns).. possibly going over by being the first to pin Rusev in a singles match (and sending him back to midcard).

I'm not so sure, Ryback has proven he's not really a good guy with appearances and such and that was the reason for the depush into Rybaxel to begin with. I think he's at best going to be an upper mid-card or 1A type of guy. Not somebody they'll strap the big rocket to.

Rowan and Harper will get a feud with each other out of the dealbut never rise beyond midcard (until one or both gets away from their Wyatt family characters). Ziggler might get a short fued with Rollins but neither one will be a main-eventer until Rollins is allowed to cash in MITB.

I'd be more of the idea of keeping Ziggler with Rowan and Harper in a 3 way feud for the IC belt at least to start with, maybe throw Rollins in there too. Harper is further along then Rowan, but I'd still keep him with good workers so as not to expose any issues or defects with his ring work.

Even worse, Bray and Ambrose will blatantly steal the show, and neither one of them will be in the main event anytime soon.

I'm afraid you're 100% right on that.

I feel like Survivor Series won't hold any big surprises or real changes to the status quo. Then again, WWE Network is free for new subscribers, so having the best possible PPV is one way to hook new customers. Maybe they WILL surprise us (but Orton showing up at the end is NOT going to be a surprise) .

They really need a good show here and they need it to be ground zero to freshen up the product because that is the only way to sell subs. If people feel like they're getting enough from the TVs, they won't fork out for the Network. With the stip about Team Cena being fired if they lose, it's pretty much a lock that Team Authority is gonna lose this one.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 01:00:15 Reply

I am tired of WWE having a PPV every month. I would prefer them occur once every four months, so they have more time for building up the matches.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 07:19:53 Reply

At 11/21/14 01:00 AM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I am tired of WWE having a PPV every month. I would prefer them occur once every four months, so they have more time for building up the matches.

I hate being the one to say in the old days it was better, but that's just it. In the old days it was better. They could build up great matches for all PPV stuff. It was just amazing the writing, performances, and the matches were all just so amazing. That is all gone though. The main event in WWE PPV are not main events.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 10:02:28 Reply

At 11/20/14 11:14 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: With the stip about Team Cena being fired if they lose, it's pretty much a lock that Team Authority is gonna lose this one.

It wouldn't be the first time Cena was "fired" and then came right back the next night. The "if Wade loses to Orton Cena will be fired" ordeal and the "if CM Punk walks out of here with the title you're fired" stipulations come to mind.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 10:55:27 Reply

Here's the thing with WWE. Vince does hold guys back who organically get over with the fans. But of they STAY over in spite of that because of their tenacity and hunger (CM Punk, Daniel Bryan did it, and I feel like Ziggler is on the cusp), then he eventually gives them the ball. The problem with the current roster is that it's just super full of really talented guys that are completely happy to just collect a paycheck and never rise above the lower midcard.

So the question is going to be... how bad do Ryback, Rowan and Harper want to impress the "Universe". From what they've shown with their run in the Wyatt family, I think Harper has the in-ring skills to get over for sure. We have yet to see what their mic skills will become, so they could actually be great if they take full advantage of this push.

As for the ending resulting in the Authority or team Cena being fired... I'm more of the belief that there's going to be some kind of run-in that causes the match to either get thrown out, or at the least result in the Authority winning on a technicality, then on Raw, Vince will come in and pull some shit like he doesn't feel like the authority proved themselves and make them work with another power figure, possibly Stone Cold.

One of my biggest pet peeves with WWE PPVs is just how often the main event is really undecided and ruined with a stupid run-in. I know that shit keeps stories evolving and draws out feuds, but people pay good money to watch a PPV and deserve better finishes. They can always continue the feud on TV the following Monday. If they expect people to actually pay for PPVs they need to quit booking them to where you could skip watching them and not miss any real story progression or conclusions.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 19:51:04 Reply

At 11/21/14 10:02 AM, Radaketor wrote: It wouldn't be the first time Cena was "fired" and then came right back the next night. The "if Wade loses to Orton Cena will be fired" ordeal and the "if CM Punk walks out of here with the title you're fired" stipulations come to mind.

One guy is easier to explain coming back then taking 5 off TV for any length of time and then trying to explain why The Authority would ever hire them back.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 19:59:14 Reply

At 11/21/14 10:55 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: Here's the thing with WWE. Vince does hold guys back who organically get over with the fans. But of they STAY over in spite of that because of their tenacity and hunger (CM Punk, Daniel Bryan did it, and I feel like Ziggler is on the cusp), then he eventually gives them the ball. The problem with the current roster is that it's just super full of really talented guys that are completely happy to just collect a paycheck and never rise above the lower midcard.

I think it's also that beyond the guys you mentioned, and dudes like Cesaro, those indy guys they shit on....you have guys that don't KNOW how to overcome the bad booking. They just know what they're WWE masters taught them to do. Plus it's just STUPID to be throwing buckets of cold water on guys that are over simply because Vince wants to be a fucking child and say "oh no, no getting over unless I let you! My sandbox, mine!"

So the question is going to be... how bad do Ryback, Rowan and Harper want to impress the "Universe". From what they've shown with their run in the Wyatt family, I think Harper has the in-ring skills to get over for sure. We have yet to see what their mic skills will become, so they could actually be great if they take full advantage of this push.

Harper is very reminiscent of that Bruiser Brody style monster....plus he just has that special something that just looking at him he holds your attention and you want to see what he'll do. I was against the Wyatts breaking up because I thought there was way more money there, and because I really fear Rowan will quickly get lost in the shuffle.

As for the ending resulting in the Authority or team Cena being fired... I'm more of the belief that there's going to be some kind of run-in that causes the match to either get thrown out, or at the least result in the Authority winning on a technicality, then on Raw, Vince will come in and pull some shit like he doesn't feel like the authority proved themselves and make them work with another power figure, possibly Stone Cold.

God no, no no no no no. Yes, it's a free show if you go through the Network, but you're trying to sell subs, and that to me means EVERY match but ESPECIALLY the main event needs to have some kind of a finish, no non finishes here. You can do interference or some such, but I would not be throwing matches out or doing fuck finishes when I'm trying to convince people not to uncheck the renewal box a week from the big show I'm giving them for free.

One of my biggest pet peeves with WWE PPVs is just how often the main event is really undecided and ruined with a stupid run-in. I know that shit keeps stories evolving and draws out feuds, but people pay good money to watch a PPV and deserve better finishes. They can always continue the feud on TV the following Monday. If they expect people to actually pay for PPVs they need to quit booking them to where you could skip watching them and not miss any real story progression or conclusions.

Yup, that's why if they do fuck finishes, especially in the main, they are going to completely defeat the purpose of the free month.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-23 11:54:24 Reply

At 11/23/14 09:15 AM, Radaketor wrote: Sting rumored to appear at Survivor Series!

Will be pissed as hell if he's used to extend the Cena vs. Authority feud. Tired of seeing WWE's trend of ruining finishes currently. A ruined finish every now and then is ok but not when it's every month.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-23 13:27:10 Reply

Survivor Series will be interesting. I recon that somebody will intervine but who?

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I have been interested in seeing Sting ever since he left TNA. They told me it would never happen. Will Sting actually wrestle in WWE?


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At 11/23/14 02:24 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I have been interested in seeing Sting ever since he left TNA. They told me it would never happen. Will Sting actually wrestle in WWE?

Maybe, he's said he'd be willing to wrestle Taker. I think it's a case where he'd do a one and done because he doesn't want to put himself in the position of other WCW talents where he'd get jobbed out and his legacy be tarnished


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I love hearing the crowd chant for Mizdow.

At 11/23/14 01:27 PM, wolfe wrote: Survivor Series will be interesting. I recon that somebody will intervine but who?

My money's on Sting, he can have a GM role.

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At 11/23/14 02:24 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I have been interested in seeing Sting ever since he left TNA. They told me it would never happen. Will Sting actually wrestle in WWE?
Maybe, he's said he'd be willing to wrestle Taker.

The Undertaker needs to get fit by then though.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 00:17:27 Reply

Sting has come to the WWE. It took him long enough.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 00:23:39 Reply

Sting vs Hogan. Either in the ring , or as rival GMs.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 01:23:24 Reply

At 11/24/14 12:17 AM, ToddM wrote: Sting has come to the WWE. It took him long enough.

I got spoiled on his appearance by all of these wrestling news websites, but I still marked out hard when he walked out! Should be cool to see where his feud with HHH goes. I'd be cool with them having a Wrestlemania match.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 08:52:02 Reply

I stayed up to 4:00am (UK) to watch Survivor Series to the very end... And it was worth it! The Icon Sting! I also loved the lesbian moment between AJ and Brie :)

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At 11/24/14 08:52 AM, wolfe wrote: I stayed up to 4:00am (UK) to watch Survivor Series to the very end... And it was worth it! The Icon Sting! I also loved the lesbian moment between AJ and Brie :)

So who won the big tag team match? :o
Lesbian moment?


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At 11/24/14 09:26 AM, SCTE3 wrote:
At 11/24/14 08:52 AM, wolfe wrote: I stayed up to 4:00am (UK) to watch Survivor Series to the very end... And it was worth it! The Icon Sting! I also loved the lesbian moment between AJ and Brie :)
So who won the big tag team match? :o
Lesbian moment?

Team Cena won but Big Show betrayed them. Dolph Ziggler pinned Luke Harper and Kane. He also pinned Rollins, That's when Sting came out. The Diva Title, Nikki won it in like 30 seconds Because Brie kissed AJ.

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At 11/24/14 08:52 AM, wolfe wrote: I stayed up to 4:00am (UK) to watch Survivor Series to the very end...

Same here, it was a really good PPV in my opinion.
Mizdow, Ziggler, Seth and Rusev were the stars of the show.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 16:05:35 Reply

I was really enjoying that main event until it changed from two of the most exciting young talents in the company putting on nail biting, edge of your seat match into two old fucking men staring at each other.

Can't just let Ziggler have the rub from overcoming the ridiculous odds and scraping out a victory by himself. Have to Sting steal the spotlight to set up some bullshit nostalgia run.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 18:53:57 Reply

At 11/24/14 04:05 PM, TheMaster wrote:
Fuck this company etc.

I respect your opinions, but I disagree.

Ziggler was still made to look like a true champion who outlasted the invincible John Cena. He was given a MASSIVE push in that match. It's anyone's guess where he goes from there, but last night was about him never giving up and fighting til' the end. Plus, according to kayfabe, he had Rollins pinned and beat until HHH pulled the ref and cheated, so it was justified that Sting would come out and even the odds.

The Sting thing is something that a lot of fans have wanted for a long time, so you can't fault them for doing it during a main event at a major PPV. For what it's worth, they could have handled it a lot worse. Imagine if it was Super Cena getting beat up by himself before Sting shows up.


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