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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-26 10:54:51 Reply

At 11/26/14 07:13 AM, Radaketor wrote: They need to get rid of the guest host gimmick, it's getting worse every week, or at least they could have former WWE wrestlers as guests.

I think they deserve some props for that. It's tough to find a guest host that's actually worse than Grumpy Cat, but WWE pulled it off!


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-27 19:19:22 Reply

So Punk went on Colt Cabana's podcast and opened up about his leaving WWE. The link to the podcast can be found in my link here, but if you don't have time to listen, the article breaks it down to bullet points of the most important things to walk away with.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2014/11/27/7298557/cm-punk-story-walking-out-on-wwe


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-27 20:19:43 Reply

At 11/27/14 07:19 PM, boloneyman wrote: So Punk went on Colt Cabana's podcast and opened up about his leaving WWE. The link to the podcast can be found in my link here, but if you don't have time to listen, the article breaks it down to bullet points of the most important things to walk away with.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2014/11/27/7298557/cm-punk-story-walking-out-on-wwe

Glad to see Punk is happier now living his life without the WWE and it's a damn shame how shitty he was treated towards the end.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-29 00:54:38 Reply

At 11/27/14 07:19 PM, boloneyman wrote: Punk went on Colt Cabana's podcast

Best listen I've had all year. Or maybe all my life.

Holy shit. I always think how heartless the bosses are at my job, but when I hear this, I truly have no idea what being fucked over, beaten on, walked on, stepped on, shit on, pissed on, and thrown away in the fucking trash feels like.

And for everyone in WWE saying that Punk is lying about a number of things, take that with a very fine grain of salt. I work for a corporation and I can tell you that they are mindless businesspeople that will do anything in their path to squeeze out short term profits at the expense of all of its subordinates.

Also, lol at the 400,000,000 times he said fuck


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-29 00:57:28 Reply

Also, to add on, I found it hilarious that Punk is ten trillion times more knowledgeable than anyone in that company. Fuck, man. He must have been around people who had absolutely no head on their shoulders. And WWE fans don't help that cause.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-29 13:12:00 Reply

At 11/27/14 07:19 PM, boloneyman wrote: So Punk went on Colt Cabana's podcast and opened up about his leaving WWE.

I don't know if any of you guys have been watching the Monday Night Wars on the Network, but if you have, you may have had the same observations I have made.

In MNW, they proudly document how the attitude era was so great it not only saved the company, but propelled wrestling into a massive global phenomenon. Each episode really focuses on one of the specific creative directions that led them there.

They proudly explain how after all their huge names like Hogan left, they started pushing new talent (albeit big guys like Luger and Nash). Of course WCW poached those guys and the whole nWO thing happened, and WWE started losing it's ratings, (much like it is currently experinecing now) because fans weren't interested in the old program anymore.

So, in their wisdom they pushed their young talent. Not only pushed them, but let them be very free creatively. This creative freedom gave us DX, The Rock and Stone Cold, arguably the most entertaining preformers of that generation.

Today, there is really no fresh young talent that has been given that level of creative freedom, in spite the fans clamoring for exactly that.

Next, they go on to talk about how important the cruiser weights were to getting WCW's momentum started, and how WCW ignoring and mis-handling those amazing in-ring talents was part of their ultimate demise. They pat themselves on the back for taking guys like Rey Mysterio and Chris Jericho and making them massive stars, in spite the fact they were smaller.

Today, the smaller guys with the most interesting in-ring skills get very short matches with very weak storylines, and the midcard titles are just meaningless.

They even had an episode of MNW where they showcase the rise of the Divas. They talked about how they had strong women who could not only look good and bring sex appeal, but could really get it done in the ring. They were proud of how they took women and made them athletes and real personalities, not just eye candy. They talked about how epic it was that Trish and Lita were so good they even main evented ONE episode of Raw.

Today... the diva's are just eye candy (and worse... reality TV trash). And Vince doesn't thing women should fight for real.

They also talk a bit about how WCW became a boys club, where all the big names and egos had all the control, and that stifling environment just killed the promotion long-term.

And today....

How can a company that has so clearly identified what made them so successful in the past, suddenly ignore those elements today and wonder at why their ratings have fallen, their PPV sales have dropped, and their Network isn't selling as well as they hoped. It blows my mind.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-30 00:57:37 Reply

At 11/29/14 11:05 PM, vixuzar wrote: can i join ?

I don't see why not. The more the merrier.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-30 06:11:56 Reply

At 11/29/14 11:05 PM, vixuzar wrote: can i join ?

Welcome to the club, mate!


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-30 12:28:30 Reply

At 11/29/14 01:12 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: Today... the diva's are just eye candy (and worse... reality TV trash). And Vince doesn't thing women should fight for real.

Just have to look at NXT to see how night and day it is.

The womens' roster isn't anything special, but they have actual characters, interesting feuds and get to have matches that go longer then 4 minutes.

Charlotte is still super green, but she's had great matches with Natalya and Bayley and I'm hyped for her match with Sasha Banks at Takeover: R Evolution.

I'm dreading Bayley going up to the main roster. She's got exactly the sort of gimmick they'll grind into the dirt in a week like they did with Emma. Seeing Emma go from putting on MOTN contenders with Paige on shows that featured Zayn vs Cesaro to fucking about with Santino then showing up in the occasional multi-diva match was heartbreaking.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-30 13:50:17 Reply

At 11/30/14 12:28 PM, TheMaster wrote: I'm dreading Bayley going up to the main roster. She's got exactly the sort of gimmick they'll grind into the dirt in a week like they did with Emma.

Or like they did with Adam Rose.
Or Xavier Woods.

Honestly, The Wyatt Family is the only gimmick that ever remained relevant and kept the same attitude after moving up to the main roster.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-30 14:28:19 Reply

At 11/30/14 01:50 PM, Radaketor wrote: Or like they did with Adam Rose.
Or Xavier Woods.

Rose and Woods were never good gimmicks though. Bayley is amazing.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-30 21:14:50 Reply

At 11/30/14 02:28 PM, TheMaster wrote:
At 11/30/14 01:50 PM, Radaketor wrote: Or like they did with Adam Rose.
Or Xavier Woods.
Rose and Woods were never good gimmicks though. Bayley is amazing.

I think the return of the blatant gimmick is a big part of why people aren't behind so many of those characters. One thing you kept hearing guys like Stone Cold, Jericho, HHH and the Rock say about why they got so big in the attitude era was that creative basically just let them be themselves.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-01 01:41:41 Reply

Sting's appearance on camera has been the biggest WWE thing in 2014.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-01 04:54:19 Reply

I'm so annoyed with TNA! They are moving to a different channel in January (Luckily it's staying on challenge for UK fans.) It's because there are no more tapings till January. So instead of watching the weekly storyline, I have to wait 4 weeks and what specials instead!

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-01 16:47:59 Reply

When you watch wrestling... do you think to yourself...

"This is totally fake why am I watching this?"

Or do you think...

"I know this is fake but I just can't get enough of it. Yay wrestling!"

Just curious, seriously not flaming the thread or whatever if it appears as such.

I really never understood the appeal, and my cousin is one of the head honchos at WWE too. I really think he took the job just because he was qualified enough. He didn't have any interest in Wrestling until... the job I guess.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-01 19:38:44 Reply

At 12/1/14 04:47 PM, frootza wrote: When you watch wrestling... do you think to yourself...

"This is totally fake why am I watching this?"

Or do you think...

"I know this is fake but I just can't get enough of it. Yay wrestling!"

It is fictional just like every tv show and movie I watch, just a very unique flavor you can't find any where else. I always describe it as a blend of sports, live theatre and comic books.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-01 19:40:02 Reply

At 12/1/14 04:47 PM, frootza wrote: When you watch wrestling... do you think to yourself...

"This is totally fake why am I watching this?"

Or do you think...

"I know this is fake but I just can't get enough of it. Yay wrestling!"

Just curious, seriously not flaming the thread or whatever if it appears as such.

I really never understood the appeal, and my cousin is one of the head honchos at WWE too. I really think he took the job just because he was qualified enough. He didn't have any interest in Wrestling until... the job I guess.

It depends on what you mean by fake, first of all. Re the performers really fighting and trying to beat each other like UFC fighters? Of course not. Are they real athletes? Absolutely.

Wrestling is really the last truly great travelling show. It's a fun hybrid of theater, with all the stars playing a role, mixed with the physical feats you would find in a circus or stunt show. The characters are larger than life, so it appeals to a lot of the same people that love super heroes and things of that nature. The action is (usually) engaging like the best fight scenes in any movie. And it's all preformed on a live stage where anything can go wrong.

Because of the nature of professional wrestling there are several different types of fans. You have the kids who see these guys as real super heroes and just get hyped about the whole thing. You have the bloodthirsty crowd that likes seeing these guys hurt each other (and they do a lot of that) and walking away from it only to do it all again a few days later. You have the purists that love to watch the guys tell a story in the ring by preforming the best live fight choreography you'll likely ever see, or will pick up on every single mistake the athletes make. Then you have the fans that like to follow what goes on behind the scenes more than anything and love to predict all the story-lines before they unfold, and dream up better storylines that SHOULD be happening.

Most of us fall in to 2 or more of those types and can at least appreciate all the others. It's a form of entertainment that's easiest to like if you know what's all involved in it beyond the surface absurdity. It's a lot like comic books or science fiction... it attracts a huge subset of nerds.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-02 00:36:21 Reply

At 12/1/14 04:54 AM, wolfe wrote: I'm so annoyed with TNA! They are moving to a different channel in January (Luckily it's staying on challenge for UK fans.)

I was annoyed when TNA they went from Thursday to Wednesday night. Some weeks I almost forget which night to watch it.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-02 11:18:28 Reply

At 12/1/14 04:47 PM, frootza wrote:

It's the same as watching a certain TV show or a movie, some people like it and some people don't.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-02 15:04:16 Reply

At 12/1/14 07:40 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:
It depends on what you mean by fake, first of all. Re the performers really fighting and trying to beat each other like UFC fighters? Of course not. Are they real athletes? Absolutely.

Wrestling is really the last truly great travelling show. It's a fun hybrid of theater, with all the stars playing a role, mixed with the physical feats you would find in a circus or stunt show.

Because of the nature of professional wrestling there are several different types of fans...
Most of us fall in to 2 or more of those types and can at least appreciate all the others. It's a form of entertainment that's easiest to like if you know what's all involved in it beyond the surface absurdity.

Wow, @PsychoGoldfish it was an honor to hear from you in a post. Thanks for that!

It makes sense now. By fake I think I meant, do some people take the storytelling aspect seriously? I suppose that some do, but from what I'm aware it has to be scripted haha. But on discussing that aspect with certain super fans they seem to take offense, you know? (Just in my own personal experience, but everyone is different I'm sure.)

I can relate to the whole Super Hero aspect as well. I can surely see the appeal there, it sort of gives people something to grab on to and look up to for kids at least.

Thanks for the help, it will probably help me connect a bit more with my cousin when I get a chance to see him again because I felt a bit lost in the realm of Wrestling Entertainment.

On a side note, I've always been a fan of Hulk Hogan. And for a brief period when it was really trendy in my childhood and I actually watched it, I was a fan of the Undertaker and Mankind. I dunno why, just thought they were kind of cool.

I even had a few of those action figures with stretchy arms but if you stretched too far you realized they were filled with green goop haha. Good times.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-02 15:17:38 Reply

Anyone remember The Hurricane? Good times

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-02 15:25:36 Reply

At 12/2/14 03:04 PM, frootza wrote: But on discussing that aspect with certain super fans they seem to take offense, you know?

It's just annoying at this point, if you're a fan of wrestling you're already used to being made fun of it countless times, and it also doesn't help that when someone tells a fan it's fake they say it in a condescending way, like we don't know it's scripted, it's insulting for some people to assume grown ass adults still think that The Undertaker, Kane, Bray Wyatt and such act like that in real life.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-02 18:41:53 Reply

What did you guys think of Austin's podcast with Vince? I thought it was very good.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-02 21:19:11 Reply

You know I'm not against WWE being online and connecting with the Internet, but it seems to me that the only fan base they have left is online. However the WWE just seems really keen on pushing really stupid shit. I have stopped watching wrestling as of now and I'm really looking to something else besides WWE, but sadly nothing is as big as the WWE, it pretty much stepped up after its competition imploded on itself.

I mean... this is some shit right here. And this below.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-03 11:24:47 Reply

At 12/2/14 03:04 PM, frootza wrote:
At 12/1/14 07:40 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:
Thanks for the help, it will probably help me connect a bit more with my cousin when I get a chance to see him again because I felt a bit lost in the realm of Wrestling Entertainment.

This is older and sort of predates WWE being open about wrestling being "fake", but it's a good intro to what really goes on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9u8x0Xrj4A&list=PL36F25D28805106BE&index=5

Some of the "secrets" they expose look super obvious and fake in this, so when you watch a really good match you can appreciate just how much the pros do to make things look more real.

This is where a lot of fans and wrestlers alike take offense to people calling it fake I guess.

A lot of the hits they give and take ARE real (just pulled at the last minute so as not to cause permanent injury). Many of the moves they do just have too much speed, weight and momentum to not connect, so both wrestlers have to do their part to land everything just right, and absorb the impacts just right or else they are going to the hospital or worse.

In many ways, this requires a pro wrestler to actually apply even more skill and ability to their work than a real professional fighter does.

The most basic thing they do is called a bump, which is basically any hit they take where they fall down. Try just falling on the floor at home and you'll figure out quickly that shit hurts. And that's the most BASIC impact these guys take.


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At 12/2/14 06:41 PM, ToddM wrote: What did you guys think of Austin's podcast with Vince? I thought it was very good.

Yeah, it was an interesting look into Vince's mind. In spite what he says, I do think he's out of touch and has his head up his own ass, but is able to justify that with umbrella terms like people not having "it".

He says he listens to the fans, but he only listens to them when they stop buying into the guys he's wanting to push, and usually only temporarily.

I think what he means by guys having "it" is that they came up through the old-school channels, vs the indy circuit, and that they are re-branded into names he actually owns. Being huge is also a big bonus (Hence the insistence on pushing Ryback again even though he hasn't changed a bit).

I loved how Austin called him on not pushing Cesaro and ignoring the fans as he was getting over organically.

I do agree with Vince that a lot f the roster is just content with their spots and not stepping up. Guys like Kofi always bugged me. So much fucking talent in the ring. And if anyone remembers his brief push vs Orton, he could get it done on the mic too.

But he is perfectly content to just show up and put on the same match every week with one or two predictable battle royal spots every year and never push his character beyond that. Even this new day faction he's in feels like an extension of that. It's not going to get over and will just be a quasi comedy filler faction.


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At 12/2/14 09:19 PM, The-Great-One wrote: I mean... this is some shit right here.

I thought that was sort of cool. WWE superstars in high school is an interesting idea.

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At 12/3/14 11:24 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:
At 12/2/14 03:04 PM, frootza wrote:
The most basic thing they do is called a bump, which is basically any hit they take where they fall down. Try just falling on the floor at home and you'll figure out quickly that shit hurts. And that's the most BASIC impact these guys take.

And the ring floor isn't anything soft either, there isn't any trampoline under the mat, it's all wooden planks covered by a thin cushioning fabric (i'm not sure if they've changed it recently to something safer though).


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At 12/3/14 03:34 PM, Radaketor wrote:
At 12/3/14 11:24 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:
At 12/2/14 03:04 PM, frootza wrote:
The most basic thing they do is called a bump, which is basically any hit they take where they fall down. Try just falling on the floor at home and you'll figure out quickly that shit hurts. And that's the most BASIC impact these guys take.
And the ring floor isn't anything soft either, there isn't any trampoline under the mat, it's all wooden planks covered by a thin cushioning fabric (i'm not sure if they've changed it recently to something safer though).

True! When I was a kid and my bones tended to never hurt for some reason, my friends and I would fake fall all the time as hard as we could just for the comedic effect that comes with falling. I can still pull it off though but I'm sure it takes some training to do it over and over again like these guys do during the wrestling matches and if they have any basic martial arts training it's probably a plus.

It appears to have a bit of a bounce, plus I'm pretty sure they mic the underside of the ring and add those booms into the mix for even greater effect, but yeah it definitely isn't a trampoline!


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-12-03 18:32:29 Reply

At 12/3/14 04:12 PM, frootza wrote:
At 12/3/14 03:34 PM, Radaketor wrote:
At 12/3/14 11:24 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:
At 12/2/14 03:04 PM, frootza wrote:
The most basic thing they do is called a bump, which is basically any hit they take where they fall down. Try just falling on the floor at home and you'll figure out quickly that shit hurts. And that's the most BASIC impact these guys take.
And the ring floor isn't anything soft either, there isn't any trampoline under the mat, it's all wooden planks covered by a thin cushioning fabric (i'm not sure if they've changed it recently to something safer though).
True! When I was a kid and my bones tended to never hurt for some reason, my friends and I would fake fall all the time as hard as we could just for the comedic effect that comes with falling. I can still pull it off though but I'm sure it takes some training to do it over and over again like these guys do during the wrestling matches and if they have any basic martial arts training it's probably a plus.

It appears to have a bit of a bounce, plus I'm pretty sure they mic the underside of the ring and add those booms into the mix for even greater effect, but yeah it definitely isn't a trampoline!

It depends on the promotion. Some of them have small shock absorbers build into the ring, but WWE rings do not have any give. Believe it or not, a hard floor is actually safer to take bumps on.

The noise you here is because the ring floor is pretty thin, just a few inches, and the bump echoes underneath. It's a design that's was perfected long before they worked sound-rigged arenas. It's a pretty clever low-tech way to make bumps sound even worse than they are. It also lets the wrestlers stop a foot when they throw a punch so it sounds like it hurt more.


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