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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 07:19:53 Reply

At 11/21/14 01:00 AM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I am tired of WWE having a PPV every month. I would prefer them occur once every four months, so they have more time for building up the matches.

I hate being the one to say in the old days it was better, but that's just it. In the old days it was better. They could build up great matches for all PPV stuff. It was just amazing the writing, performances, and the matches were all just so amazing. That is all gone though. The main event in WWE PPV are not main events.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 10:02:28 Reply

At 11/20/14 11:14 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: With the stip about Team Cena being fired if they lose, it's pretty much a lock that Team Authority is gonna lose this one.

It wouldn't be the first time Cena was "fired" and then came right back the next night. The "if Wade loses to Orton Cena will be fired" ordeal and the "if CM Punk walks out of here with the title you're fired" stipulations come to mind.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 10:55:27 Reply

Here's the thing with WWE. Vince does hold guys back who organically get over with the fans. But of they STAY over in spite of that because of their tenacity and hunger (CM Punk, Daniel Bryan did it, and I feel like Ziggler is on the cusp), then he eventually gives them the ball. The problem with the current roster is that it's just super full of really talented guys that are completely happy to just collect a paycheck and never rise above the lower midcard.

So the question is going to be... how bad do Ryback, Rowan and Harper want to impress the "Universe". From what they've shown with their run in the Wyatt family, I think Harper has the in-ring skills to get over for sure. We have yet to see what their mic skills will become, so they could actually be great if they take full advantage of this push.

As for the ending resulting in the Authority or team Cena being fired... I'm more of the belief that there's going to be some kind of run-in that causes the match to either get thrown out, or at the least result in the Authority winning on a technicality, then on Raw, Vince will come in and pull some shit like he doesn't feel like the authority proved themselves and make them work with another power figure, possibly Stone Cold.

One of my biggest pet peeves with WWE PPVs is just how often the main event is really undecided and ruined with a stupid run-in. I know that shit keeps stories evolving and draws out feuds, but people pay good money to watch a PPV and deserve better finishes. They can always continue the feud on TV the following Monday. If they expect people to actually pay for PPVs they need to quit booking them to where you could skip watching them and not miss any real story progression or conclusions.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 19:51:04 Reply

At 11/21/14 10:02 AM, Radaketor wrote: It wouldn't be the first time Cena was "fired" and then came right back the next night. The "if Wade loses to Orton Cena will be fired" ordeal and the "if CM Punk walks out of here with the title you're fired" stipulations come to mind.

One guy is easier to explain coming back then taking 5 off TV for any length of time and then trying to explain why The Authority would ever hire them back.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-21 19:59:14 Reply

At 11/21/14 10:55 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: Here's the thing with WWE. Vince does hold guys back who organically get over with the fans. But of they STAY over in spite of that because of their tenacity and hunger (CM Punk, Daniel Bryan did it, and I feel like Ziggler is on the cusp), then he eventually gives them the ball. The problem with the current roster is that it's just super full of really talented guys that are completely happy to just collect a paycheck and never rise above the lower midcard.

I think it's also that beyond the guys you mentioned, and dudes like Cesaro, those indy guys they shit on....you have guys that don't KNOW how to overcome the bad booking. They just know what they're WWE masters taught them to do. Plus it's just STUPID to be throwing buckets of cold water on guys that are over simply because Vince wants to be a fucking child and say "oh no, no getting over unless I let you! My sandbox, mine!"

So the question is going to be... how bad do Ryback, Rowan and Harper want to impress the "Universe". From what they've shown with their run in the Wyatt family, I think Harper has the in-ring skills to get over for sure. We have yet to see what their mic skills will become, so they could actually be great if they take full advantage of this push.

Harper is very reminiscent of that Bruiser Brody style monster....plus he just has that special something that just looking at him he holds your attention and you want to see what he'll do. I was against the Wyatts breaking up because I thought there was way more money there, and because I really fear Rowan will quickly get lost in the shuffle.

As for the ending resulting in the Authority or team Cena being fired... I'm more of the belief that there's going to be some kind of run-in that causes the match to either get thrown out, or at the least result in the Authority winning on a technicality, then on Raw, Vince will come in and pull some shit like he doesn't feel like the authority proved themselves and make them work with another power figure, possibly Stone Cold.

God no, no no no no no. Yes, it's a free show if you go through the Network, but you're trying to sell subs, and that to me means EVERY match but ESPECIALLY the main event needs to have some kind of a finish, no non finishes here. You can do interference or some such, but I would not be throwing matches out or doing fuck finishes when I'm trying to convince people not to uncheck the renewal box a week from the big show I'm giving them for free.

One of my biggest pet peeves with WWE PPVs is just how often the main event is really undecided and ruined with a stupid run-in. I know that shit keeps stories evolving and draws out feuds, but people pay good money to watch a PPV and deserve better finishes. They can always continue the feud on TV the following Monday. If they expect people to actually pay for PPVs they need to quit booking them to where you could skip watching them and not miss any real story progression or conclusions.

Yup, that's why if they do fuck finishes, especially in the main, they are going to completely defeat the purpose of the free month.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-23 11:54:24 Reply

At 11/23/14 09:15 AM, Radaketor wrote: Sting rumored to appear at Survivor Series!

Will be pissed as hell if he's used to extend the Cena vs. Authority feud. Tired of seeing WWE's trend of ruining finishes currently. A ruined finish every now and then is ok but not when it's every month.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-23 13:27:10 Reply

Survivor Series will be interesting. I recon that somebody will intervine but who?

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-23 14:24:33 Reply

I have been interested in seeing Sting ever since he left TNA. They told me it would never happen. Will Sting actually wrestle in WWE?


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-23 20:14:34 Reply

At 11/23/14 02:24 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I have been interested in seeing Sting ever since he left TNA. They told me it would never happen. Will Sting actually wrestle in WWE?

Maybe, he's said he'd be willing to wrestle Taker. I think it's a case where he'd do a one and done because he doesn't want to put himself in the position of other WCW talents where he'd get jobbed out and his legacy be tarnished


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-23 20:39:23 Reply

I love hearing the crowd chant for Mizdow.

At 11/23/14 01:27 PM, wolfe wrote: Survivor Series will be interesting. I recon that somebody will intervine but who?

My money's on Sting, he can have a GM role.

At 11/23/14 08:14 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:
At 11/23/14 02:24 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I have been interested in seeing Sting ever since he left TNA. They told me it would never happen. Will Sting actually wrestle in WWE?
Maybe, he's said he'd be willing to wrestle Taker.

The Undertaker needs to get fit by then though.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 00:17:27 Reply

Sting has come to the WWE. It took him long enough.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 00:23:39 Reply

Sting vs Hogan. Either in the ring , or as rival GMs.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 01:23:24 Reply

At 11/24/14 12:17 AM, ToddM wrote: Sting has come to the WWE. It took him long enough.

I got spoiled on his appearance by all of these wrestling news websites, but I still marked out hard when he walked out! Should be cool to see where his feud with HHH goes. I'd be cool with them having a Wrestlemania match.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 08:52:02 Reply

I stayed up to 4:00am (UK) to watch Survivor Series to the very end... And it was worth it! The Icon Sting! I also loved the lesbian moment between AJ and Brie :)

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 09:26:08 Reply

At 11/24/14 08:52 AM, wolfe wrote: I stayed up to 4:00am (UK) to watch Survivor Series to the very end... And it was worth it! The Icon Sting! I also loved the lesbian moment between AJ and Brie :)

So who won the big tag team match? :o
Lesbian moment?


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 09:35:45 Reply

At 11/24/14 09:26 AM, SCTE3 wrote:
At 11/24/14 08:52 AM, wolfe wrote: I stayed up to 4:00am (UK) to watch Survivor Series to the very end... And it was worth it! The Icon Sting! I also loved the lesbian moment between AJ and Brie :)
So who won the big tag team match? :o
Lesbian moment?

Team Cena won but Big Show betrayed them. Dolph Ziggler pinned Luke Harper and Kane. He also pinned Rollins, That's when Sting came out. The Diva Title, Nikki won it in like 30 seconds Because Brie kissed AJ.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 11:05:20 Reply

At 11/24/14 08:52 AM, wolfe wrote: I stayed up to 4:00am (UK) to watch Survivor Series to the very end...

Same here, it was a really good PPV in my opinion.
Mizdow, Ziggler, Seth and Rusev were the stars of the show.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 16:05:35 Reply

I was really enjoying that main event until it changed from two of the most exciting young talents in the company putting on nail biting, edge of your seat match into two old fucking men staring at each other.

Can't just let Ziggler have the rub from overcoming the ridiculous odds and scraping out a victory by himself. Have to Sting steal the spotlight to set up some bullshit nostalgia run.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 18:53:57 Reply

At 11/24/14 04:05 PM, TheMaster wrote:
Fuck this company etc.

I respect your opinions, but I disagree.

Ziggler was still made to look like a true champion who outlasted the invincible John Cena. He was given a MASSIVE push in that match. It's anyone's guess where he goes from there, but last night was about him never giving up and fighting til' the end. Plus, according to kayfabe, he had Rollins pinned and beat until HHH pulled the ref and cheated, so it was justified that Sting would come out and even the odds.

The Sting thing is something that a lot of fans have wanted for a long time, so you can't fault them for doing it during a main event at a major PPV. For what it's worth, they could have handled it a lot worse. Imagine if it was Super Cena getting beat up by himself before Sting shows up.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-24 23:09:04 Reply

Sting has arrived in WWE. It took over 20 years, but it finally happened.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-25 09:58:15 Reply

At 11/24/14 04:05 PM, TheMaster wrote: Can't just let Ziggler have the rub from overcoming the ridiculous odds and scraping out a victory by himself. Have to Sting steal the spotlight to set up some bullshit nostalgia run.

I don't think Sting stole the spotlight at all, actually. Dolph looked amazing in that match with or without Sting.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-25 11:43:30 Reply

At 11/24/14 11:09 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: Sting has arrived in WWE. It took over 20 years, but it finally happened.

His last appearance in WWE was in 2001, so it only took 14 years.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-25 13:01:49 Reply

I thought the whole thing worked out brilliantly. Keep in mind, this PPV was essentially free to everyone just getting WWE Network this month.

What it showcased was the best of the active roster, showed they can still put on a hell of a show, and for some of the older fans who maybe hadn't watched WWE much since the attitude era, it ended with the promise of two huge icons clashing sometime in the future.

Then Raw came on the next night with Universe Pandering Mode cranked up a tad too high, and no sign of Stinger at all. And ending the show with the anonymous GM (who they already "identified" as fucking Hornswaggle) just killed that storytelling momentum. To their credit, HHH, Steph and Vince did their part to finish the authority story up for now, with a tease at a return, but after that it was just 100% sucking the crowd's dicks. It really killed my SS buzz.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-25 14:17:29 Reply

At 11/25/14 01:01 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:
What it showcased was the best of the active roster, showed they can still put on a hell of a show, and for some of the older fans who maybe hadn't watched WWE much since the attitude era, it ended with the promise of two huge icons clashing sometime in the future.

Then Raw came on the next night with Universe Pandering Mode cranked up a tad too high, and no sign of Stinger at all. And ending the show with the anonymous GM (who they already "identified" as fucking Hornswaggle) just killed that storytelling momentum. To their credit, HHH, Steph and Vince did their part to finish the authority story up for now, with a tease at a return, but after that it was just 100% sucking the crowd's dicks. It really killed my SS buzz.

Pretty much. Also had a decent laugh how when Larry came out, next to no one was cheering or very few were just booing. Adding crickets to the moment would have summed up that segment perfectly. Not found that guy entertaining for years. Nice to see Erik Rowan finally got on the mic for once. Hopefully he plays up a decent face for a good while. Was wonderful to see Daniel Bryan back for the night.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-25 14:55:39 Reply

At 11/25/14 02:17 PM, SCTE3 wrote: Pretty much. Also had a decent laugh how when Larry came out, next to no one was cheering or very few were just booing. Adding crickets to the moment would have summed up that segment perfectly. Not found that guy entertaining for years. Nice to see Erik Rowan finally got on the mic for once. Hopefully he plays up a decent face for a good while. Was wonderful to see Daniel Bryan back for the night.

Larry was pretty bad. They should have thrown him in the ring to be squashed.

Personally, I really wasn't all that entertained by Daniel Bryan last night. Maybe it was just because he overdid the 'yes' thing, but it just felt like that's what set the tone for all the pandering.

I'm dreading the anonymous GM episode. I'm sure we'll have to suffer through all the random GMs... John Luarenitis, Vicky, Teddy Long. Stone Cold will show up at some point, at least (I hope), and who knows what the plan for Sting is. I think he'll just show up for pops here and there and end his run with a match with HHH at mania.

With the announcement that Reigns will be back in a month it feels like they aren't going to start the next big story-line until he's available, so expect most of December to be filler.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-26 00:43:14 Reply

I don't care what any of you WWE smarks/elitists have to say. That was the best fucking finish to a PPV i've ever seen.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-26 05:16:20 Reply

At 11/24/14 11:05 AM, Radaketor wrote:
At 11/24/14 08:52 AM, wolfe wrote: I stayed up to 4:00am (UK) to watch Survivor Series to the very end...
Same here, it was a really good PPV in my opinion.
Mizdow, Ziggler, Seth and Rusev were the stars of the show.

You forgot sting.

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At 11/25/14 02:17 PM, SCTE3 wrote: Also had a decent laugh how when Larry came out, next to no one was cheering or very few were just booing. Adding crickets to the moment would have summed up that segment perfectly. Not found that guy entertaining for years.

They need to get rid of the guest host gimmick, it's getting worse every week, or at least they could have former WWE wrestlers as guests.

At 11/26/14 05:16 AM, wolfe wrote:
At 11/24/14 11:05 AM, Radaketor wrote: Mizdow, Ziggler, Seth and Rusev were the stars of the show.
You forgot sting.

Sting did pretty much nothing, he just came out, beat up Triple H and left.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2014-11-26 10:54:51 Reply

At 11/26/14 07:13 AM, Radaketor wrote: They need to get rid of the guest host gimmick, it's getting worse every week, or at least they could have former WWE wrestlers as guests.

I think they deserve some props for that. It's tough to find a guest host that's actually worse than Grumpy Cat, but WWE pulled it off!


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