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At 8/2/09 06:54 PM, Assi9 wrote: It's only a matter of time before Morrison has the belt, so you guys must know how pleased I am. :P Once again, an awesome match with him, and both him & Jeff came out looking like winners.

I think so too. With the solid performances Morrison has been putting on and the fact that he has kept healthy and unhurt for so long I think he is ready for a shot at the big time. His involvment with Punk and Hardy will keep things interesting and I really do think he deserves to be there.

At 8/2/09 01:22 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 8/1/09 10:54 PM, Twilight wrote: I tried to watch SD last night but I was bored out of my brains.

Are you sure you didn't watch Impact by mistake?

I always wondered why I liked Raw more than SmackDown.

Brain damage? :-p

Lmfao that's one way to put it.

I guess I'll try to keep track of both brands from now on.

I was reading about the meny reasons why Brian was fired from wwe according to the report, Kendrick's release can largely be attributed to his backstage attitude and motivation as a performer. The internal feeling was that while Kendrick did what he was told, he carried a negative attitude and gave the impression that he did not deeply care about being there. WWE thus saw little potential for Kendrick to breakout as a valuable member of the roster and opted to sever its ties with the wrestler.

It remains to be seen if Kendrick's release is a compounded consequence of his behavior or if a specific incident brought WWE officials' concerns to a boil.

Sources are also quick to mention reports that Kendrick was one of WWE's most frequently-fined Superstars for marijuana use, although it is unclear if that played any role in his release--under the Wellness Policy, there is no punishment, beyond the fine, for using the drug.

I've got the mental image stuck in my head of Kendrick and Big Zeke getting stoned backstage; hilarious in it's own right for Zeke's abrupt change in attitude and expression :D

At 8/3/09 07:33 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: I've got the mental image stuck in my head of Kendrick and Big Zeke getting stoned backstage; hilarious in it's own right for Zeke's abrupt change in attitude and expression :D

Has he been on ECW? I haven't watched in the longest time. What has he been doing?

I'm not so sure about Raw tonight. Its good that we know know the title situation, though we have seen this matchup a lot before. I'm also not real familiar with the guest host so it's hard to get excited about that.

Maybe I'll be wrong and they will suprise me with a really great show. I can hope right?

At 8/3/09 11:11 AM, Outlaw88 wrote:

At 8/3/09 07:33 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: I've got the mental image stuck in my head of Kendrick and Big Zeke getting stoned backstage; hilarious in it's own right for Zeke's abrupt change in attitude and expression :D

Has he been on ECW? I haven't watched in the longest time. What has he been doing?

Yeah, he's been squashing jobbers for a few weeks now. His mic and wrestling skills (even if we've only seen about five minutes of each) are shaping up to be pretty decent. There putting him in a program with Kozlov it would seem, but I haven't seen this weeks ECW so I don't know where it's heading yet.

On the subject of Zeke, I'd just like to say that his theme is awesome, even if it is just the Brawl For All theme with lyrics.

At 8/3/09 01:40 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: On the subject of Zeke, I'd just like to say that his theme is awesome, even if it is just the Brawl For All theme with lyrics.

Could not agree more. Its one of the two reasons why I love the guy.. The other being the fact that it ALWAYS looks like he's going to kill whoever he's wrestling.

At 8/3/09 01:40 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: On the subject of Zeke, I'd just like to say that his theme is awesome, even if it is just the Brawl For All theme with lyrics.

Zeke? i'm sorry to say i have no idea who he is....is he on the ecw brand? That could be the reason i don't know him; since i nevr watch that show.

At 8/3/09 02:43 PM, idiot-buster wrote: Zeke? i'm sorry to say i have no idea who he is....is he on the ecw brand? That could be the reason i don't know him; since i nevr watch that show.

Ezekiel Jackson, he debuted on SD! as Kendrick's bodyguard and occasional tag team partner, though he was recently drafted to ECW during the supplemental draft.

anyway i knew i heard his theme somewhere! lol

I like the idea behind Miz's match, because I think it means there's a good chance he's going to beat Cena.

Just thought I'd put my thoughts here before the match happens (and the Miz probably loses).

"Maybe I just make one phone call..."

HBK! HBK! HBK!

At 8/3/09 10:26 PM, Zornkatzu wrote: "Maybe I just make one phone call..."

HBK! HBK! HBK!

OMG... i forgot about raw.... Did he come back.....please say he did!

If you are messing with me; i will come after you with something big sharp and possibly on fire!

At 8/3/09 10:40 PM, idiot-buster wrote: OMG... i forgot about raw.... Did he come back.....please say he did!

If you are messing with me; i will come after you with something big sharp and possibly on fire!

I almost forgot about RAW too. Not exactly memorable of late...

So far no return. But after Triple H lost to Legacy, he said that he should "bring back a gang" and after dismissing the idea of bringing back Evolution, he said that maybe he should just "make one phone call" and that "if you're not down with that, I got two words for ya!"

So yeah, VERY good chance of seeing HBK next week.

OH COME ON! They can't let Miz win once?! And on top of that they are getting him off of Raw?! WHY?! Look, I understand that a lot of you guys don't like Miz and thats fine but the guy is a solid performer who has done everything he has been asked to do by WWE and how do they reward him? By kicking him off Raw and keeping him off PPV? I just hope he gets to go to SD and is used better.

Raw was...meh. I was genuinly suprised to see HHH lose tonight. I can't remember the last time a face lost in a handicap match. I guess this means there is a good chance for DX vs. Legacy at SS.

At 8/3/09 11:11 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: OH COME ON! They can't let Miz win once?! And on top of that they are getting him off of Raw?! WHY?! Look, I understand that a lot of you guys don't like Miz and thats fine but the guy is a solid performer who has done everything he has been asked to do by WWE and how do they reward him? By kicking him off Raw and keeping him off PPV? I just hope he gets to go to SD and is used better.

Completely agreed. I'm also sick of all this "Cena-wins-against-the-odds" crap. Almost EVERY heel on Raw was out there and on The Miz's side, and he STILL can't win? That's just a load of crap. I just hope that with Edge out on Smackdown, The Miz can shine there as a solid heel.

Raw was...meh. I was genuinly suprised to see HHH lose tonight. I can't remember the last time a face lost in a handicap match. I guess this means there is a good chance for DX vs. Legacy at SS.

About damn time. I was kind of hoping that after Michaels hung up on Triple H he would appear behind him, but oh well. I suppose we'll see him next week. As big a fan as I am of Michaels, does anyone else find it kind of sad that we need a 44 year old man to come back in order to save Raw?

At 8/3/09 11:11 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Raw was...meh. I was genuinly suprised to see HHH lose tonight. I can't remember the last time a face lost in a handicap match. I guess this means there is a good chance for DX vs. Legacy at SS.

It seems to me they are trying to make it as incredibly obvious that it is a HBK DX come back thing just to possibly swerve us?
Who else has HHH teamed up with who could come back?

I really dont want to see DX together, we saw all that not very long ago.

Geez, what a complete burial of Miz they've done. Did he park in somebody's space or something?

As far as the H thing, yeah, we've known about a DX reunion for a couple weeks, it'll pop some peeps and sell some shirts I guess. But it'll just bury Legacy further since DX doesn't job. Though I think this might be the best possible team to flip the tag titles too right now if they're willing to actually help get other acts over, since as much as a some people think DX is stale and whatever but they could mean a slight shot in the arm to the ratings of the other shows and with the way the tag belts are structured these days that's probably the sort of guys you're going to see as champions from now on: an act that can help draw ratings across at least the big two brands.

Also what the hell was the dig at Flair about? I'm sure it was something to pop dad and all but...fuck the guy is supposed to be your friend, and certainly H has enough power to just go "I don't want to say that" and not have to.

At 8/4/09 12:42 AM, Shaun wrote: It seems to me they are trying to make it as incredibly obvious that it is a HBK DX come back thing just to possibly swerve us?
Who else has HHH teamed up with who could come back?

They could bring back The Two Man Power Trip. But no, I think it's definitely DX, and they haven't put enough thought into it to swerve the audience.

I really dont want to see DX together, we saw all that not very long ago.

It's the law of diminishing returns. DX will eventually just become like the Brothers of Destruction and team up for one week to get an insignificant pop. This is why they shouldn't put Edge and Christian back together.

At 8/4/09 01:03 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Geez, what a complete burial of Miz they've done. Did he park in somebody's space or something?

I don't understand their booking whatsoever. The only good thing that will come out of this is The Miz going to ECW or SD! to be booked better. I see him going to ECW to give them at least some talent.

Though I think this might be the best possible team to flip the tag titles too right now if they're willing to actually help get other acts over, since as much as a some people think DX is stale and whatever but they could mean a slight shot in the arm to the ratings of the other shows and with the way the tag belts are structured these days that's probably the sort of guys you're going to see as champions from now on: an act that can help draw ratings across at least the big two brands.

I don't see that happening. Triple H is 40 now, and HBK is in his mid 40's, and not 100% from what I hear, so it can't be a good idea to give them a heavier schedule than everyone else.

I guess they could use the tag team thing to rest HBK, but he'll still have to wrestle a little bit, more often than he would otherwise.

Also what the hell was the dig at Flair about? I'm sure it was something to pop dad and all but...fuck the guy is supposed to be your friend, and certainly H has enough power to just go "I don't want to say that" and not have to.

I don't get how HHH is allowed to make those kind of smart-jokes. Did you hear the "I didn't think you did jobs" line as well? This always happens when DX are around. It's not like most of the fans know what the hell he's talking about, and it's quite detrimental if they do.

At 8/4/09 12:42 AM, Shaun wrote: It seems to me they are trying to make it as incredibly obvious that it is a HBK DX come back thing just to possibly swerve us?
Who else has HHH teamed up with who could come back?

Maybe..*Shudder* X-pac? Nah. Thats way to out there. I doubt they would let him back in the WWE.

Raw annoyed me more than anything else last night. The more I think about it the more it pissed me off. The guests were annoying, the matches were not the best quality we've seen, and Miz got buried. Annoying crap all the way through.

I understand that WWE wants people to think that Cena is super tough, but last night was too much. Are you telling me that they want us to think that Cena can take 8-10 guys at a time and win? He got a major beatdown and was shoved back in after it. A 10 seconds later he was up, hit his finisher and was standing strong. Thats not good booking!!!!! You just made every single heel look weak and pathetic, especially the guy Cena pinned. If your opponents are weak and pathetic then you gain nothing from beating them, and if you lose then that means that you are worse than weak and pathetic. Use your head WWE!

At 8/4/09 01:03 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Also what the hell was the dig at Flair about? I'm sure it was something to pop dad and all but...fuck the guy is supposed to be your friend, and certainly H has enough power to just go "I don't want to say that" and not have to.

Probably due to the fact that Flair has gone out on his own to do some autograph signings and try and make some money, instead of remaining "loyal to Vince" after the send-off he got.

Can't really say I'm surprised about it. It was a typical petty move by Vince.

And last night's RAW was awful! I laughed my ass off after seeing that WWE broke up the Colons, so they could have a 3 minute throwaway match on RAW.

Miz's RAW run = FAIL

i can see it now, morrison is the #1 contender for the WHC, during the match, miz re-debuts on SD! and ruins morrison's chances, making a feud between the two.

raw was pretty bland.. cept trips losing clean.. and not by cena or orton. the 'phone call' he gave was a bit of a chin scratcher.. what was with the whole "i know you promised that you would never come back" part?..
also i have to admit.. seeing mark henry wearing a leprechaun hat did make me laugh.. also the heel click he did after the match was pretty funny.
piven's appearance was ok.. i liked the little heel turn at the end of the show.. also the flying cross body off the top rope he did.. wasn't that bad.. i mean he's no steamboat, but no botches involved (cept the 'summerfest' remark). also goddamn, dr ken took quite a bump.. i didn't see him get up at all after that spot he did, not only did he clash heads with swagger, but his head hit the ground when he hit the floor.. ouch.. you gotta give it up for him for taking a big spot like that.

but i noticed.. raw lacked jericho (i know he's a SD! wrestler but still..) and no santino appearance at all.. also just a week after his comeback, chris masters doesn't even have a match?.. i know he put the masterlock on cena, but they could of had him in that match against primo instead of carlito.

sgt. slaughter next week maggots! were back to wrestlers hosting raw again!

I'd like to take this time to say that Doc Whatever-The-Fuck needs to be violently beaten. He pretty much dragged down the entire show with his retardation. Only towards the end when he cut it out could I stand the idiot.

Me & RandomHero3 are in agreement over tghe Mark Henry bit - sorry, but it WAS hilarious. Definitely needed to be cheered up after aforementioned earsore. I'm somewhat surprised the ring didn't buckle after the heel-click.........or that HE ACTUALLY DID IT. o_O

Piven was somewhat tolerable, just less so with that IDIOT! Can I stress that enough?

Hopefully The Sarge will make up for this disaster-fest.

At 8/3/09 01:40 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: On the subject of Zeke, I'd just like to say that his theme is awesome, even if it is just the Brawl For All theme with lyrics.

Quite catchy.

At 8/3/09 11:21 PM, Zornkatzu wrote: As big a fan as I am of Michaels, does anyone else find it kind of sad that we need a 44 year old man to come back in order to save Raw?

Hey, whatever works - and ya' know it will.

At 8/4/09 01:03 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Also what the hell was the dig at Flair about? I'm sure it was something to pop dad and all but...fuck the guy is supposed to be your friend, and certainly H has enough power to just go "I don't want to say that" and not have to.

I'm sure Flair knows Trips' sense of humor. :P

At 8/4/09 08:57 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: Did you hear the "I didn't think you did jobs" line as well? This always happens when DX are around. It's not like most of the fans know what the hell he's talking about, and it's quite detrimental if they do.

Damn, I didn't realize the inuendo (I know it isn't the correct spelling) in that.

At 8/4/09 01:16 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: i can see it now, morrison is the #1 contender for the WHC, during the match, miz re-debuts on SD! and ruins morrison's chances, making a feud between the two.

AHA! Actually, that sounds exactly like something Creative would do.

At 8/4/09 08:57 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: They could bring back The Two Man Power Trip. But no, I think it's definitely DX, and they haven't put enough thought into it to swerve the audience.

Austin doesn't work anymore. Does anybody even remember that duo at this point?

It's the law of diminishing returns. DX will eventually just become like the Brothers of Destruction and team up for one week to get an insignificant pop. This is why they shouldn't put Edge and Christian back together.

Edge and Christian haven't been teamed up or associated with each other for years. DX has had like three or four reunions since 2006. Reunions work best the first time they get trotted out, but everything after yeah, it's less and less. I still think DX will get a pop or two, but the question will be how much merch can they move, or how long will this be for?

I don't understand their booking whatsoever. The only good thing that will come out of this is The Miz going to ECW or SD! to be booked better. I see him going to ECW to give them at least some talent.

It does make you wonder if maybe this was done to give Christian someone new to feud with once he's done with Dreamer.

I don't see that happening. Triple H is 40 now, and HBK is in his mid 40's, and not 100% from what I hear, so it can't be a good idea to give them a heavier schedule than everyone else.

They don't have to be on a heavy schedule necessarily, they don't really have to be on every show every week, but I've heard nothing about either one cutting back any time soon sooooo.

I guess they could use the tag team thing to rest HBK, but he'll still have to wrestle a little bit, more often than he would otherwise.

They could, but the best thing they could do really is start building people up more so they don't have to keep relying on people like him and he can be more of a special attraction. But they most probably won't, and they'll continue to need him and H around till they completely break to keep the show going.

I don't get how HHH is allowed to make those kind of smart-jokes. Did you hear the "I didn't think you did jobs" line as well? This always happens when DX are around. It's not like most of the fans know what the hell he's talking about, and it's quite detrimental if they do.

H is gonna own the company one day, so he can do whatever he wants. It's as simple as that. It's Hunter's world and everybody else is just living in it.

At 8/4/09 04:48 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Austin doesn't work anymore. Does anybody even remember that duo at this point?

I can always hope.

Edge and Christian haven't been teamed up or associated with each other for years. DX has had like three or four reunions since 2006. Reunions work best the first time they get trotted out, but everything after yeah, it's less and less. I still think DX will get a pop or two, but the question will be how much merch can they move, or how long will this be for?

And who will they bury after they've destroyed Legacy in two weeks?

It does make you wonder if maybe this was done to give Christian someone new to feud with once he's done with Dreamer.

Whether he'll be believable is another question. He needs to be re-established, and on a brand where there's only a handful of established stars, it could be difficult. Then again, ECW tends to try their hardest and power through regardless, whereas Raw takes all the big names and makes them unimportant.

They could, but the best thing they could do really is start building people up more so they don't have to keep relying on people like him and he can be more of a special attraction. But they most probably won't, and they'll continue to need him and H around till they completely break to keep the show going.

If the past few months on Raw are an indication of what things will be like when HBK is finally gone, then it is a dim forecast.

H is gonna own the company one day, so he can do whatever he wants. It's as simple as that. It's Hunter's world and everybody else is just living in it.

I'd prefer smart-mark oriented booking over children oriented, I just wonder if it'll alienate quite a few of the fans, particularly the young ones.

At 8/4/09 04:48 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 8/4/09 08:57 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: They could bring back The Two Man Power Trip. But no, I think it's definitely DX, and they haven't put enough thought into it to swerve the audience.

Austin doesn't work anymore. Does anybody even remember that duo at this point?

Him & Trips teamed up?

At 8/4/09 07:38 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: I can always hope.

Just don't hold your breath. Because then you'd die :)

And who will they bury after they've destroyed Legacy in two weeks?

Pretty much. That's the real shame here, I'm not saying they need to lose every night to everyone and anyone in sight. It would wreck their cred, but you're telling me you can't find two guys you'd really like to make a little more important by letting them get one over on DX? Really?

Whether he'll be believable is another question. He needs to be re-established, and on a brand where there's only a handful of established stars, it could be difficult. Then again, ECW tends to try their hardest and power through regardless, whereas Raw takes all the big names and makes them unimportant.

ECW HAS to though. They're the developmental brand that is always going to just be thrown scraps and forced to do something with it. The fact that they can actually create some pretty good shows regardless really speaks well of their team.

As far as Miz, he's been pretty thoroughly wrecked and I think no matter what the plan is here they should probably leave him off TV till after Summerslam (since he's banned from it anyway). Then bring him back strong and hope to take some of the loser stink off him but they may have well and truly ruined him here.

If the past few months on Raw are an indication of what things will be like when HBK is finally gone, then it is a dim forecast.

Yeah, RAW is pretty vile these days and the scary thing is that's the flagship.

I'd prefer smart-mark oriented booking over children oriented, I just wonder if it'll alienate quite a few of the fans, particularly the young ones.

I think the young ones will still watch regardless. One smart comment isn't going to deter they're enjoyment. I think they'll just keep on watching and that'll blow over they're heads without much impact. They really though don't need to not market to kids. Marketing to kids is ok so long as they don't forget that stories should make sense and not be a turn off for the adult fans as well.

i watched the beginning of ECW

it looks like shelton benjamin is a babyface again. I'm kinda glad, he's been a heel for a very long time now (since the beginning of 06 i believe) and i did enjoy him when he was a babyface, specially around the time when he feuded with Evolution. Also I liked that spot where Shelton threw Ryder at the couch, looked pretty good.

*****SPOILER ALERT*****
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*****SPOILER ALERT*****

Matt Hardy returned to SD! and i think he's a babyface again.

At 8/4/09 10:42 PM, Assi9 wrote: Him & Trips teamed up?

Case in point.

And yes, they did. This was after Wrestlemania...I want to say 17? Right? When they had Austin turn heel and join Vince. They then had him team with Triple H but the teaming was cut short by H tearing his quadricep the first time in a match they had with Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit.

By the way (slightly anebriated, may be why I ask) what the FUCK is up with Benoit apologists out there? Look, I get that the Benoit tragedy was crazy shit and it shocked us all and made us act in ways we never might have otherwise. Made some of us question our following of the business and all but...dude killed his family, this is fact. So why are there these people out there that seem to think what he did in the ring and shit absolves him of what he did? Seriously, why? Dude killed his wife and his 7 year old child. I wish it didn't happen, I was a fan of the man myself, but it did. He did it, it happened. So why the hell do people think we should be mentioning or venerating a murderer? Seriously. Can't we find somebody else to latch onto as what's good and correct about the business? How about Taker. Ok, I'll admit, I'm biased. I started watching wrestling when I was about 10, and unless I'm way off base on the development of most of us at that age, 10 is about when we all kind of thought that weird supernatural crap was the coolest shit ever. So yeah, you ask me and go "avie, who is the one wrestler who's entire body of work you're pretty much a mark for and you'd spend money on even their worst period as reported by 'smarks', who is that man?" Taker kids. Totally Taker. Man is my favorite of all time and a big reason why I'm a fan now. So yeah, that's my bias out the way. But seriously, why can't it be a guy like Taker? Best worker ever? No. But I think we can make a damn good case he's the best big man worker ever (I think Bigelow is a contender, but I disqualify him as going any higher then maybe second personally because I think one thing smarks tend to neglect when they look at "best ever" is the drawing power. Like it or lump it, you do not have to be a great worker to draw). Not to mention here's a guy who has actively MADE other people. Taker made Kane. Paul Bearer said in a recent interview if he and Taker hadn't pushed to get Glen Jacobs (that is Kane's real name) included into the act, he wouldn't have been. So simply put, Taker took a guy who had these shit gimmicks beforehand (like an evil dentist, the FUCK was Vince smoking there?) and made him a star who now has had well past a decade of bank and popularity. I think that should probably be the measure of a performer, the number of guys who he went out of his way to say "Look, I believe this guy can be something, let me have a chance to try and make him something" and then go out and prove it.

You know what? I'm calling it now. Let's go there, Taker as greatest performer of his generation. I'm asking you to agree or disagree based on the following criteria, so please agree or refute based on the following (so please include all in any rebuttal or agreeing):

Work: How well each Undertaker match has been. This does encompass each and every era of the character from his debut in 1990 to his (current) last match at Mania 25.

Promo: Well we all know what a promo is right? But here I guess you'd perhaps have to judge from when he went solo in 96 till now, did the man accomplish what he needed to when he had a mic in his hand? Did he sway you to pay for a match he'd be involved in? I think DVD should count too, but I'm willing to hear debate on that (since I understand some people might feel 'look avie, if I wasn't willing to pay full price, then the guy failed to really work as a promo', I can dig it, but I disagree. Anytime you spent money saying "I need to see this match based on how Taker presented it to me" should count).

Overall performance: This is promo, this is match quality, and this is character. So the total package. Did the fact that you would get The Undertaker in action make you say "I need this PPV/tape/ticket to a show" tip the scales for you?

Undertaker for greatest performer of his time (1990-2009) I'm putting it out there, and I'm willing to stand behind it when I sober up. Other guys drew more money, but Taker has been a constant as either a draw on his own, or as a foil for somebody who was drawing more money. Taker I think at times doesn't get the appreciation he should because he's just so goddamn good we take him for granted and we won't really and truly understand how much he gave us until he's gone.

Also, if you've never experienced that entrance live EVER, then the next time ANYTHING related to SD! ECW comes to your town and he's on that card, YOU MUST GO!!!! Seriously. There are exactly TWO performers I've ever seen who's entrance was so good it'd be BETTER then anything they'd do in a match could ever be (The other is The Sandman)...yeah, you owe it to yourself to be there for it. Undertaker is undisputably the greatest creation of Vince Mcmahon. Greatest performer of his time? (again, 1990-now) you tell me. Very interested in the answer.

Remember, if they came to prominence PRIOR to 1990, they don't count for this conversation. So it's total package, 1990-present. You got prominent before 1990? You don't count. You got prominent AFTER? You're in the conversation.

Really looking forward to hearing the answer since (no ass kissing or bullshitting involved) I think this is one of, if not the smartest group of fans I've ever run across anywhere.