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At 7/28/09 11:42 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I guess Kendrick is the new whipping boy huh?

To be fair, Kendrick was never anything much more than a whipping boy.

With the tag titles now being used as an excuse to have big stars be able to go on all 3 shows I hope it brings with it better matches and feuds.
With them being able to go on all brands maybe we will some multiteam matches on PPV
jerishow vs. cryme tyme vs. legacy vs. Harts
I'd like to see that.

They are liking the multiman matches to start the PPV with the ecw or US titles and I know I'd much rather it be for the tag-titles.

Use the ecw and US to build singles feuds so wrestlers such as MVP/Swagger can continue to push towards the main event.

While on PPV, I would like to see them changed.
Bring back brand specific PPVs, one for each brand each year.
Then just the 4 major PPVS with all 3 brands. 7 or 8 PPVS a year.
We get the same people on PPV every 3-4 weeks and it is the reason why no new stars are making it to the main event.
If you only have 3 weeks between PPVs its so much easier to continue a stale feud then start a new one.
With this set up more of the roster would get to appear on PPV, better built more interesting matches and feuds.
With brand specific PPVs

To Avie... There are other wrestling companies out there. Hell, you're from Jersey, Jersey All Pro Wrestling tends to put on good show, if you can get to Philly, you can catch some CHIKARA shows, the ROH on HDNet tapings, or one of the Dragon Gate USA shows. There are other options out there to get your wrestling fix without all of the BS that WWE usually offers.

On to RAW! I'm just going to list what I liked and didn't like.

Liked:

Everything that involved Shaq. I was expecting him to be the best out of the guest hosts so far, and I was right. We got the obligatory show-down between he and Show, and it was fun, if nothing else. Once he retires from the NBA, I'd like to see him make a couple more appearances for the E.

The Masterpiece's return. For some reason, I always liked him and while I don't expect him to win the WWE title, I can see him being a nice addition to the RAW mid-card.

Cody Rhodes vs HHH. Cody wasn't totally squashed (HUZZAH!), and HHH didn't win, so we won't get HHH v Orton 200193 at Summerslam (Instead, we get Cena vs Orton 100295 >_>). Add in the fact that all this seems to lead to an HBK return, and I'm all for it.... Until DX squashes Ted and Cody, that is.

Evan Bourne vs Jack Swagger. Bourne has new music, and a new shirt, and although this was a short match it was pretty damn good. The fact that Bourne won his match faster than anyone else should mean that he's in line for a title shot, but this is WWE, and Bourne gets nothing :(

The Miz vs Cena. We all knew Cena was winning, and although its been done before, Cena vs Orton usually deliver when they're in the ring against one another, and it gives WWE a WM-like main event for Summerslam. No complaints here.

Disliked

Pretty much everything else.

Mark Henry has been easily beating down the likes of Orton and Jericho in recent weeks, yet CARLITO of all people gives him trouble? That made absolutely no sense.

Chavo vs Hornswoggle. It was never that funny, let it end!

The Women's match. I liked a bit of a tease for a Gail Kim heel turn, but the actual match was terrible.

Kofi Kingston vs The Brian Kendrick. No, just no. We get it, Kendrick smokes pot and WWE feels the need to humiliate him week in and week out. Its still a waste of time (I'm aware the match only lasted about 10 seconds).

By the way, did HHH really say that cutting off a dog's tail causes it to die? Are we sure Kendrick is the only guy that's been smoking pot?

All in all, a good show. They set up the RAW main event for Summerslam, and now have 4 weeks for the build-up. Shaq did his thing, and judging by the fact that's its been mentioned on ESPN already, bringing him in did the job as far as getting WWE some mainstream publicity.

Shaq certainly did his job, you would have to think the ratings would be high for RAW this week.
Both WWE and Shaq were trending topics on twitter.
Mostly people twittering about how much the WWE has changed since when they watched it back in the day, but surely some of those people will continue to watch.
The reaction to Shaqs participation on Raw all seemed positive.

At 7/27/09 11:45 PM, Assi9 wrote: Please don't compare Ziggy to Santino.

lol nah man, comparing storylines.. not the wrestlers, Ziggler's the man.

At 7/28/09 11:58 AM, Shaun wrote: To be fair, Kendrick was never anything much more than a whipping boy.

Dude.. Kendrick is one half of the longest reigning WWE Tag Champions, and it's not like he's a shitty wrestler, the guy is fucking talented.. i was so glad when he was getting that push last year.. but i got my hopes up and now he's in the gutters of the WWE..

I think it might be a little more than pot for the reason of his push being stopped.. they can't hold a grudge for that long.. i don't think he has an attitude problem backstage.. from what i've heard and seen he's a pretty decent guy outside the ring. I dunno.. maybe just on the wrong side of someone with high power.

At 7/28/09 12:54 PM, pepeatumi wrote: The Masterpiece's return. For some reason, I always liked him and while I don't expect him to win the WWE title, I can see him being a nice addition to the RAW mid-card.

I've always liked him too, ever since he clobbered Steven Richards nose to the left side of his face in his debut lol. But the guy needs a haircut, that hairstyle he's sporting looks very faggy (like i wrote before.. i notice the little things lol)

Evan Bourne vs Jack Swagger. Bourne has new music, and a new shirt, and although this was a short match it was pretty damn good. The fact that Bourne won his match faster than anyone else should mean that he's in line for a title shot, but this is WWE, and Bourne gets nothing :(

He wouldn't let us forget that he has a new shirt, he was pointing at the damn thing though his whole entrance.. It's cool that Bourne got a victory over Swagger, but I didn't like it how they buried Swagger like that.. WWE's been booking him very weirdly ever since he came to RAW.

The Miz vs Cena. We all knew Cena was winning, and although its been done before, Cena vs Orton usually deliver when they're in the ring against one another, and it gives WWE a WM-like main event for Summerslam. No complaints here.

Cena's in the last beat the clock match... not only that, but Orton, the WWE Champion comes to ringside before the match.. as soon as that happened i changed the channel as i already knew the outcome.. Cena would either get a clean win fairly quickly.. OR.. Cena would win with just 1 whole second to spare.. you know that whole "what are the odds?!" kinda thing..

Chavo vs Hornswoggle. It was never that funny, let it end!

agreed.. poor chavo... fuck i hate it every week, i even called it this week that he would be blindfolded.. and whats worse is that we have to hear that stupid fake laugh from Michael Cole every time these two meet in the ring.. I hope soon we get a heel special guest host and make hornswoggle blindfolded or something.. but knowing WWE he'd still probably beat chavo as he's a fucking 4 foot superman.

Guys, they don't push Kendrick because he's small and they see nothing in him. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM SMOKING POT!!! Orton has smoked pot, RVD is public about his smoking. Both are pushed!!! YOU ONLY GET FINED FOR POT!!! Stop this silly rumor already. If Kendrick was the size of Chris Masters or somebody he'd get pushed. But he's a small little heel therefore making him a jobber in WWE land.

Even though I didn't watch during the old-school days (had a lot of memorabilia as a little kid, though), I agree with everything Avie said on the account that RAW couldn't have ALWAYS been this bad. Thing is, though, these newer-school fans LOVE this bullshit way of doing it, which means Vince caters to them first.

At 7/28/09 11:42 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I think Avie needs a round of applause for summing up (in a drunken angry manner)

Kinda' like Lewis Black - but slightly more serious.

At 7/28/09 12:54 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Mark Henry has been easily beating down the likes of Orton and Jericho in recent weeks, yet CARLITO of all people gives him trouble? That made absolutely no sense.

I think it was supposed to be that Henry was not taking Carlito as a serious threat & toying with him too much, only for it to bite him in the ass - hence SUPPOSING to make it believable.

By the way, did HHH really say that cutting off a dog's tail causes it to die? Are we sure Kendrick is the only guy that's been smoking pot?

Lol.

At 7/28/09 01:51 PM, Random-Her03 wrote:

At 7/27/09 11:45 PM, Assi9 wrote: Please don't compare Ziggy to Santino.

lol nah man, comparing storylines.. not the wrestlers, Ziggler's the man.

Just checkin'. :P For a heel, I like Ziggy for some reason - similar to how I like Kennedy even as a heel.

I hope soon we get a heel special guest host and make hornswoggle blindfolded or something.. but knowing WWE he'd still probably beat chavo as he's a fucking 4 foot superman.

.......or a 4-foot John Cena? :P

At 7/27/09 11:45 PM, Assi9 wrote:

Just checkin'. :P For a heel, I like Ziggy for some reason - similar to how I like Kennedy even as a heel.

same, right now him, jericho and kendrick are my fav heels in the business

.......or a 4-foot John Cena? :P

good point lol

They should just cut kendrick. If they are just going to have him be beaten in short order that doesn't help anyone. The whole point of having someone like him be a person to beat is that they can provide ways to make their opponents look good and if they are doing their job right, themselves as well. You don't get that by getting kicked in the head and pinned, or jobbing to the King.

We haven't seen Noble in a while either so he could be let go too. At least they could go to ROH or other promotions where they will get a better chance.

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Raw Superstar Brian Kendrick as of today, July 30, 2009. WWE wishes Brian the best in all future endeavors.

It was only a matter of time.

Chavo next?

Here's hoping that Kendrick decides to re-join ROH. I think he would make for a good addition.

At 4/14/03 01:23 PM, Frank wrote: this is the wrestling club! Talk about anything that has to do with wrestling (preferably the wwe).

RANDY ORTON RULEZ!

Please don't hit me.

At 7/30/09 04:40 PM, MaraquanWocky wrote:

At 4/14/03 01:23 PM, Frank wrote: this is the wrestling club! Talk about anything that has to do with wrestling (preferably the wwe).

RANDY ORTON RULEZ!

Please don't hit me.

I notice your thread in general that was locked, it at least had some point to it.
Now I'm sure no one here has a problem with you liking Randy Orton and certainly no one is going to hit you..
However you could expand on why you like him and try to contribute to the conversation.

I also notice that you said you dislike Chris Jericho, any reason as to why?
I would personally rate Jericho as not only the top heel in the company at the moment but probably the best sports entertainer there is in the WWE at the moment.
Why is he.. silly?

At 7/30/09 03:10 PM, Shaun wrote: World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Raw Superstar Brian Kendrick as of today, July 30, 2009. WWE wishes Brian the best in all future endeavors.

I'm really not shocked at this one, he has not been on tv in weeks :::or has not done anything to catch my attention::: well he tried to step up his game and wwe would not give him the chance to reach his true potential.

Chavo next?

I may have to disagree with you there. The only reason why they were keeping vicky around was to give her a job since Eddie died and this could be the same thing. I would not think wwe would let go Chavo unless he broke the wellness policy rule on the 3rd time. Anyone else thinking the same thing?

At 7/30/09 03:22 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Here's hoping that Kendrick decides to re-join ROH. I think he would make for a good addition.

If TNA doesn't want him, I can see him definitely back in ROH and other promotions. Unless he signs one of those ROH contracts which looks like a butt fucking to the talent right now.

As far as Chavo, can I see him getting released? Yes. I don't believe the Guerrero name holds any value for them anymore and I wonder if there might be some bitter feeling over Vickie choosing to leave. Chavo is a non-entity right now and the smartest thing he could do is see if he can get moved to SD! and maybe taken off TV for a good month so people will forget the Hornswoggle losses. Chavo has more value on the Friday show from not just a performance standpoint, but from a demographic standpoint as SD! draws a very good number with hispanic audiences.

At 7/30/09 03:10 PM, Shaun wrote: World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Raw Superstar Brian Kendrick as of today, July 30, 2009. WWE wishes Brian the best in all future endeavors.

huh...I got my request. Hope he does better elsewhere.

Chavo next?

For his sake I hope so. Then again maybe he doesn't really care as long as the pay is good. How much do you think the WWE is giving him to do these silly things?

There is no shame in admitting you like Orton. I don't have any problems with the guy other than I think his promos can be boring. Opinion helps add to the conversation so don't feel afraid to let it be known.

Brian Kendrick released?.... aw man... GAY!!

i hope he still makes it in SD vs RAW 2010 though.. they normally turn a blind eye on some of the wrestlers that have been released (ie: Mark Jindrak in SVR 2006, Super Crazy in SVR 2009)

At 7/31/09 07:28 AM, Random-Her03 wrote:

i hope he still makes it in SD vs RAW 2010 though.. they normally turn a blind eye on some of the wrestlers that have been released (ie: Mark Jindrak

Who?

I'm looking forward to SD tonight. I want to see Punk's reaction and to find out where this story will go. It's funny how into this main event story I'm into and how much I could care less about the Raw side of things. Raw is supposed to be the flagship show but I find I like the secondary show a whole lot more.

if there was a match between the rock and john cena We all would know that the rock would win

Caught the last half hour of Smackdown and loved it. Morrison and Hardy put on one hell of a show. I was expecting Punk to come during the match, and I wished he did because then Morrison could have been involved. I'm sure he'll find his way back in the picture though.

Punk's turn was great. He came off as fierce and methodical, everything a heel should be. I also loved that there was a guy cheering for him in the front row.

SD kicked ass! The matches they had were great from start to finish. I was even able to pay attention to the Diva's match which is no small feat. The main event was the best match of the night but I enjoyed the tag matches that were featured. We'll be seeing Cryme Time take on Jericho and Show at Summer Slam which should be a decent match.

Guess this is the night Punk is no longer a tweener huh?

It really is night and day when you compare Raw and SD these days.

I was on WWE.com and saw a pic of Swagger and it hit me. Swagger looks like Gary Busey. Take a look at some pic of Busey.

That should be his tag line. Jack Swagger, the Gary Busey of the WWE! lol

At 7/31/09 10:05 PM, boloneyman wrote: Caught the last half hour of Smackdown and loved it. Morrison and Hardy put on one hell of a show. I was expecting Punk to come during the match, and I wished he did because then Morrison could have been involved. I'm sure he'll find his way back in the picture though.

He absolutely can because at some point he gets to cash in that return match clause. Which I would really like to see him use it at SS and be in line for that more then I want to see Morrison and Hardy right now.

Haven't gotten to see the show yet but I'm very much looking forward to it from what I had heard prior to it, and what you guys are saying now.

At 7/31/09 10:12 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I was on WWE.com and saw a pic of Swagger and it hit me. Swagger looks like Gary Busey. Take a look at some pic of Busey.

dude i thought i was the only one who thought that! lol

SD! was pretty good
Cryme Tyme are a good team, and they do deserve this push.. but man.. why is WWE making Hart Dynasty job so much?! where supposed to be pushing these guys.. they have legendary backgrounds! and even when they do win, they make it seem like it was a fluke.

I gotta admit, I'm coming around to liking Mike Knox, not just because of that Wicked Beard he sports, but for a huge guy he's very agile, that cross body he hit on Mysterio was gold, such speed.
Also those reports saying that McMahon must be high on R-Truth's 'Pretty Ricky' character must be full of shit because i haven't seen one of those promos since a month ago when the first one was played.

Goddamn it.. they couldn't even give Charlie Haas the win via countout could they?.. damn it Haas is talent and now he's nothing more as a jobber... They should of moved him to ECW instead of Benjamin.. It would of helped him alot.

The main event was pretty damn awesome.. though Morrison's promo before the match was just painful to watch.. it looked like he was reading it off of some cue cards. Great match as i expected i remember these 2 battling it out for the IC title when Morrison was 'Johnny Nitro', especially in that one ladder match... that was the match that gave Morrison my respect.

not a bad SD! this week, now RAW's got Piven this week... I'm calling it right now that Santino and Piven will "hug it out".

At 8/1/09 04:22 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: why is WWE making Hart Dynasty job so much?! where supposed to be pushing these guys.. they have legendary backgrounds! and even when they do win, they make it seem like it was a fluke.

It's disgraceful, it would have been better leaving them on ECW rather than treating the dynasty like this.
We get it, the WWE has no idea how to handle stables any more. They have no idea how to handle teams of any sort and if you happen to be heels then it's just going to be downright miserable.

At 7/31/09 09:45 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Who?

Jindrak?

He wrestled between like 2003 - 2005, he breifly teamed with Lance Cade and even became Kurt Angle's protoge. He was a good enough wrestler and had an amazing dropkick aswell as a great left hook.. but he had no personality and never seemed to get a reaction from the crowd, which is why his singles run failed so much after he left Kurt Angle's group.

Theres nobody who can compare WWE now and WWE in 90s.There have changed many things.Now it s more fake.Even the little kids realize that it s fake.There arent wrestlers like the old ones.I think that AAA is the best of this kind of wrestling.If I want to watch real wrestling,I watch MMA,UFC.Strikeforce and Pride.

I tried to watch SD last night but I was bored out of my brains.

I always wondered why I liked Raw more than SmackDown.

At 8/1/09 10:54 PM, Twilight wrote: I tried to watch SD last night but I was bored out of my brains.

Are you sure you didn't watch Impact by mistake?

I always wondered why I liked Raw more than SmackDown.

Brain damage? :-p

At first I really didn't like the idea of Punk cashing in his rematch next week. But the more I think about it the more I think this could actually be a really good idea. It's very obvious the Hardy/Punk issue is alive, and with John Morrison getting clean pinned, it seems they're sending a clear message of "you're time will come...but it is not now grasshopper". So to me the easy option here is to do this match to a non-finish so we can get them at SS, and maybe throw in Morrison for funzies. Punk pretty desperately needs to get a really good match with Hardy, since I have not read of any of their prior 2 bouts really being what you'd expect. If they want to truly establish Punk, he needs to look like he can hang with Hardy and to have a memorable bout with him (wouldn't hurt if he goes over in the end also). More people will check out the TV then they will the PPV's now (certainly a scary trend for WWE) so Punk will need to put his working boots on and hopefully Hardy will as well, especially if he has any plans in his head still to perhaps take a break down the line.

Next week's SD! may well be a make or break night for the career of CM Punk.

At 8/2/09 01:22 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Next week's SD! may well be a make or break night for the career of CM Punk.

I can't see the Summerslam match being another straight punk vs hardy match.. it either has to have some sort of stipulation.. other than ladder as hardy has done that a few times lately OR it has to have another wrestler involved.
I'd rather the first option I think, having morrison involved would be like having kozlov involved when it was HHH vs Hardy in that he isn't going to win so there really isn't a point to it.

There will surely be some sort of screwy finish that costs CM Punk the win next week on smackdown but what they will do I have no idea. That's why it's so interesting.

Just caught Smackdown and really enjoyed the show. Hardy/Morrison work well together and I'm looking forward to next week to see what they do with the title situation. I think a break from Hardy/Punk singles matches would be good, since they've had them at the last two or three PPV's now. Either adding a stip (TLC please) or throwing Morrison into the mix will keep it fresh.

Also, shame about TBK getting released. I saw potential in him since his singles run on Smackdown and it's a shame he ended up in the position he's in. Still, maybe he can further he career in TNA, RoH or one of the smaller indy promotions.

It's only a matter of time before Morrison has the belt, so you guys must know how pleased I am. :P Once again, an awesome match with him, and both him & Jeff came out looking like winners.

I'm a tad surprised Punk made the complete turn; I was expecting him to stay tweener.

Cryme Time put on a solid match........too bad the guys that really SHOULD be put over by default of lineage lost.

At 8/1/09 10:54 PM, Twilight wrote: I tried to watch SD last night but I was bored out of my brains.

I always wondered why I liked Raw more than SmackDown.

Whatever you're smoking, I think we'd all like some. :P