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If Masters is officially back in, then I say if it isn't Ziggy, it'll be him.

At 7/19/09 10:24 AM, pepeatumi wrote: I'm hoping for Christian to be Jericho's partner.

Have Christian vs Dreamer open the show, Dreamer retains the ECW title and Christian snaps after the match (Thus turning heel). Once the tag match comes around, Christian is introduced as Jericho's partner (They've teamed up in the past so it wouldn't be new), and they retain the tag titles. This of course would mean that once Edge returns (As a face), he would feud with Jericho and Christian.

It turns Christian heel, and it gives him something else to do instead of just being on ECW, and it furthers the Edge/Jericho feud due to the history between all three men.

With that said, there's like a 0% chance of this happening.

As awesome as your scenario is, this is the part of your post I agree with the most. Unfortunately. Plus, with Christian gone, you'd have approximately Dreamer and Shelton as established talent.

I don't think Masters was ever good enough, or over enough, to be considered in the same class as Y2J, unless he actually has gotten better.

I didn't have a big problem with Punk losing Friday like I do with other champs losing. In the case of Punk, it's to set up John Morrison as the next logical contender for the belt since he seems to "have Punk's number". So I'm totally fine with that, especially if Punk can convincingly, or somewhat convincingly put Jeff away at NOC.

Also, is Punk REALLY a heel right now? I don't think so. Look, Punk on friday talked about how he felt Jeff wasn't a good role model for kids because of his substance abuse problems. That's a valid argument don't you think? Considering Jeff basically boasted about his problems and how he never went to rehab. Later, Jeff totally threw Jericho into Punk. I grant you that he's turning, but I think it's more the stuff he's doing to Morrison then the stuff he's doing with Jeff since frankly, if it WASN'T Jeff Hardy, Punk would be the face in this situation :)

As far as who Jericho's partner will be, I'm hoping for one of two people.

a) Christian who a lot of people here seem to like. It'll hopefully get him off ECW and onto from Smackdown (which I watch a lot more regularly) and help fuel the Jericho/Edge feud. Plus there's always the chance of a E&C reunion further down the line.

OR

b) Randy Orton. I think this would be great in the eventually breakup of Legacy. Have Orton cut a promo stating how Ted and Cody weren't good enough to beat him, that's why he's the champ, the leader, etc. Plus it'd be interesting to have one champ on Raw the other on SD and I like the idea of RKO and Jericho together. Again it could also play into Edge's past, Rated RKO. The only problem is would Randy want to work Tuesdays as well as Mondays?

This angle is one of the few good things to come out of Edge's injury. I'm pretty excited to see who Jericho's partner will be.

I honestly can't see WWE sticking a main eventer in there with Jericho here unless they're hoping to have one of the shortest tag title bouts in history. Because do you really want people to work a full match twice? I wouldn't. The only way I see this situation working out where you put another top level guy with Jericho that's already a champion is if they basically don't tag in, or they run out after a couple minutes, grab a tag, and then the belts are retained. I don't really see Legacy picking the belts up because I think Dibiase will be broken away from the other two sooner rather then later. But if it's a midcard guy, it's certainly to me seeming like slim pickings. I don't see them really picking somebody off the SD! brand though unless they're willing to relax the mixing up of the brands rules they want in place.

Good god, that was terrible. There's just no other way to say it.

At 7/20/09 11:21 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Good god, that was terrible. There's just no other way to say it.

Yeah...that was just another two hours of "what's wrong with WWE"

Man.. Raw was dull last night. Full of unfunny segments, the obligitory Chavo humiliation, and the super predicatable main event. I had zero doubt that HHH and Cena would win and the match itself was..not their best work to say the least.

I wonder if King has it in his contract that he gets to wrestle at least once a year? It figures that when we finally see TBK for the first time in weeks he gets squashed by King.

Best match of the night was the one that feautred everyone involved with the U.S. Title match.

Hated it. Hated it. Hated it. The only good parts involved Y2J, and he's not even on Raw.
I started watching it last night, but stopped until this morning, just to see if I was tired and couldn't appreciate it, but no. It was awful.

Apparently, the World title is less important than HHH's malice towards Orton... but not really. And Big show goes on to squash the entire midcard division (he must've had enough of the cruisers).

At 7/21/09 08:18 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Man.. Raw was dull last night. Full of unfunny segments, the obligitory Chavo humiliation, and the super predicatable main event. I had zero doubt that HHH and Cena would win and the match itself was..not their best work to say the least.

Not to mention we saw this last week.

I wonder if King has it in his contract that he gets to wrestle at least once a year? It figures that when we finally see TBK for the first time in weeks he gets squashed by King.

Honestly, I think Kendrick should look into going back to ROH, or hitting up TNA at this point. WWE just doesn't seem to have anything for him to do. Getting beat by Lawler? Yeah, you're just screwed at that point. Is the guy a headliner? No, I don't think so, but the waste of talent that this kind of crap is, is just astoundingly stupid.

Best match of the night was the one that feautred everyone involved with the U.S. Title match.

Which how sad is that? A match that is essentially an excuse for Show to kill everybody, over a title that doesn't matter whatsoever.

I thought the ZZ Top segments were funny, actually.

The Shaqman next week, eh? Looks like they're inviting all of the major celebrity fans to have first shot.

At 7/21/09 08:18 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I wonder if King has it in his contract that he gets to wrestle at least once a year? It figures that when we finally see TBK for the first time in weeks he gets squashed by King.

Figures he'd show up for a tag team offer.

Best match of the night was the one that feautred everyone involved with the U.S. Title match.

The Jericho/Henry rematch wasn't bad, either.

isn't weird the in that 6 man tag, the one guy who isn't involved in the US title picture (Primo) won the match?.. ah well they all got squashed by show afterwards.

it was good to see kendrick again.. though jobbing to the king?.. that's a bad sign.. well at least he was controlling most of the match and just had king give the finish.. also for a 50 - 60 year old, king can still pull off a pretty decent dropkick.

the zz top/santino segments were dreadful to watch.. were they trying to make people believe that they were actually playing their songs with those guitars?! if they were.. fuck..

I gotta give it up to mark henry, he is actually doing quite well since moving to raw, good to see that he could actually get the crowd behind him, specially after the match when he was doing a hogan like celebration with the crowd. but jericho jobbing 2 weeks in a row?.. not cool..

shaq hosting raw doesn't annoy me, just like green you know he is a genuine wrestling fan, and can actually be quite funny and entertaining too, can't wait to see what this holds.. also if anybody remembers this, they're might be a part 2 now that Carlito's a heel again.. although maybe this time around they're pushing him to be a serious heel.

Chavo once again is humiliated by a midget dressed as a leprachaun.. man.. now i know the kids love hornswoggle but goddamn get another wrestler to pit him against.. someone like santino whose just as big of a joke as hornswoggle.. plus it took horny forever to pull down chavo's pants.. while chavo had to pretend to be struggling the whole time... who knows, chavo might just have a big sense of humour and actually doesn't mind doing all of this.. but still, poor chavo.. that's all i have to say

i gotta say i liked the Mickie/Miz/Maryse segment, i like how the segment took place on the stage rather than the ring, had an old school feel to it.. also it actually put a story behind the divas title.. i liked the insults mickie delivered to miz, pretty funny stuff.

the legacy/jericho segment was good, seeing jericho's face while legacy was talking just reminded me of a little kid getting picked on by 2 high school bullies lol. the segment ends with jericho saying that orton could be his partner (i highly doubt it..)

anyways this was a pretty lackluster raw.. hopefully shaq can make things better next week

So Shaq & Carlito already have history, then? Wonder if it'll get brought up.

They might mention it, like maybe have Shaq put carlito in a match he doesn't like. Or they could just ignore it since most people don't remember that. I sure didn't.

Jeremy Piven is said to be on the list for celeb GM. I don't watch a lot of TV so I really didn't know who this was, but I'm sure a lot of you do.

I wonder why they are keeping Santino out of the ring? Do you think they are working on a new program for him or do they just want him around to interact with the guest GM?

At 7/22/09 10:36 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: They might mention it, like maybe have Shaq put carlito in a match he doesn't like. Or they could just ignore it since most people don't remember that. I sure didn't.

You're most likely right, if they couldn't even have Edge and Alicia Fox bring up their past while on smackdown, then this will probably have no chance.

Jeremy Piven is said to be on the list for celeb GM. I don't watch a lot of TV so I really didn't know who this was, but I'm sure a lot of you do.

He's from Entourage, and that new movie coming out about those car dealers.. also that RAW show is on my bday :D

I wonder why they are keeping Santino out of the ring? Do you think they are working on a new program for him or do they just want him around to interact with the guest GM?

because he's pretty much just comic relief now, he never really excited anyone in the ring unless he was doing his silly antics. I'm glad WWE has caught onto that fact.

At 7/23/09 12:48 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: You're most likely right, if they couldn't even have Edge and Alicia Fox bring up their past while on smackdown, then this will probably have no chance.

These guys can't even remember from week to week sometimes. If you think they're bringing up a basically throw away angle from years ago with a guy they probably have no intention of pushing, you're insane.

He's from Entourage, and that new movie coming out about those car dealers.. also that RAW show is on my bday :D

Yep, they apparently have a very long list of people waiting to come on as there's a lot of hollywood type fans and they all want to push their shit to the WWE audience.

because he's pretty much just comic relief now, he never really excited anyone in the ring unless he was doing his silly antics. I'm glad WWE has caught onto that fact.

Pure and simple, the dude is comedy relief for their ridiculous skits now...which makes you wonder just how long his shelf life is gonna be if he isn't actively wrestling much anymore.

They may be keeping Santino out of the ring to give fans time to forget what he's done so far. Also with Chavo being used as the butt of the jokes they don't need two guys out there being made a fool of.

Speaking of WWE not doing a thing with what they have, why is Miz suddenly just an interview guy? He put on a very good match with Cena and then got nothing out of it. WWE has really dropped the ball here.

Hey guys! Its been a while since I posted on here. Just wanted to let you know, I stumbled upon a WWE Summerslam ad in a Canadian magaize that lists Shawn Michaels as appearing. I have submitted the story to a few wrestling news sources, and below is a link to the advertisement:

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac337 /Zornkatzu/SummerSlam001.jpg

Sure would be nice to have good old HBK back. WWE (especially Raw) has been terrible of late.

At 7/23/09 09:41 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: They may be keeping Santino out of the ring to give fans time to forget what he's done so far.

If they wanted to repackage him, he'd be off TV period. I think they are just trying to make him all about the skits because he doesn't offer them much else. But of course for me and of course for purists, if you aren't wrestling, the fuck is the point?

Also with Chavo being used as the butt of the jokes they don't need two guys out there being made a fool of.

I think the Hornswoggle character is just so terrible now, it's gotten totally out of hand and it's ridiculous now. Someone his size will NEVER beat someone bigger then them. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Speaking of WWE not doing a thing with what they have, why is Miz suddenly just an interview guy? He put on a very good match with Cena and then got nothing out of it. WWE has really dropped the ball here.

He got jobbed out twice by Cena, RAW really hasn't done much of anything with the talent they acquired in the draft this year. Mark Henry has probably done the best thus far in his move to RAW and other then Jack Swagger I don't really foresee any of the folks who've been shipped to RAW being able to do terribly well. RAW is all about the top guys and the mid level guys are just there because the top guys can't be in every segment and wrestle like 5 times in 2 hours.

PWInsider.com posted a bit about Shawn's return.

WWE has big plans for Shawn Michaels' return this summer. We've confirmed the Armageddon PPV on 12/13 will be in San Antonio, Texas. Michaels is slated to return in time for Summerslam and they have discussed a DX reunion with Triple H. There is also talk of Shawn facing Randy Orton for WWE title.

I only caught the end of SD last night but the match between Rey and Punk was very well done. It kinda sucks that Punk has lost three times in a row but this time it was via DQ and it helped to further the fued between Ziggler and Rey so it works for me.

What did you guys think of the rest of the show?

At 7/25/09 10:31 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: What did you guys think of the rest of the show?

I liked the opening and closing matches (Jeff/Jericho and Punk/Rey) and both Jeff and Punk's promos. R-Truth's match was pretty solid and Khali's was awful but that's to be expected really. Overall a pretty good smackdown that did a great job of hyping up the WHC and IC title matches on Sunday.

At 7/23/09 11:14 PM, Zornkatzu wrote

Sure would be nice to have good old HBK back. WWE (especially Raw) has been terrible of late.

I no what you mean, i usualy watch raw just to see what shawn is going to do and if he has a match... i am very attentive of it and that is what gets me through the show. Since he has been gone the feuds on raw have less then what is expected. The main event scene is horrible to say at best, it's the same 3 people over and over cena Vs. ortan and ortan Vs. HHH or a triple threat match between the 3 of them. Is anyone else sick of seeing the same 3 people face off over and over agian? The feuds are over nothing, at least when shawn has a title shot it's ususaly something i'm looking forwad to see. The best of the 3 is Randy, he's fresh and has alot of talent and is interesting to watch. The thing that is holding him back is that he is facing the same opponents over and over.

Do you guys agree?

At 7/25/09 11:49 AM, idiot-buster wrote: I no what you mean, i usualy watch raw just to see what shawn is going to do and if he has a match... i am very attentive of it and that is what gets me through the show. Since he has been gone the feuds on raw have less then what is expected. The main event scene is horrible to say at best, it's the same 3 people over and over cena Vs. ortan and ortan Vs. HHH or a triple threat match between the 3 of them. Is anyone else sick of seeing the same 3 people face off over and over agian? The feuds are over nothing, at least when shawn has a title shot it's ususaly something i'm looking forwad to see. The best of the 3 is Randy, he's fresh and has alot of talent and is interesting to watch. The thing that is holding him back is that he is facing the same opponents over and over.

Do you guys agree?

Completely agree. As posted above, there is not only talk of a DX reunion, but also giving HBK another shot at the big time with a WWE Title Match. Personally, I would love to see the folloeing scenario:

- DX returns after Summerslam and begins a feud with Legacy.
- Shawn Michaels & Triple H vs Legacy in a 3-on-2 Handicap Match at WWE Breaking Point.
- Have it all come to a head at WWE Hell in a Cell in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE Championship between Orton, Triple H and Shawn Michaels. Michaels wins the title.
- Shawn Michaels vs Randy Orton at WWE Bragging Rights. Michaels retains.
- Shawn Michaels vs Randy Orton vs Batista at WWE Survivor Series. Michaels retains.
- Triple H can return to his feud with Orton and finally finish things at WWE Armageddon.
- Shawn Michaels vs John Cena at WWE Armageddon. Michaels retains.
- Long, strong build up to Shawn Michaels vs Triple H at Wrestlemania. Triple H wins the title.

Anyone else like my idea? I'm sure Creative probably has something far more bland in store for us, but I think having Michaels at the VERY top of the card one more time would breathe a lot more life into RAW.

Honestly, I don't think Shawn's held a title since.......I STARTED WATCHING WRESTLING. If he has had said title at any time after 2002-03, please correct me.

Pleez, Creative - GIVE HIM THE FUCKING TITLE AGAIN. The same 3 people over the last 5-6-7-however-many years is getting ridiculous. Putting the title on him might actually make people give a damn again.

Oh, I forgot..... I know Punk's supposed to bea heel, but I couldn't help but AGREE with most of what he said about *insert 'vices' here*, and I was a little disturbed at the crowd seemingly CHEERING FOR SAID INSERTED VICES. o_O Shouldn't Vince be just a smidge concerned about their reaction?

At 7/25/09 06:01 PM, Zornkatzu wrote: Completely agree. As posted above, there is not only talk of a DX reunion, but also giving HBK another shot at the big time with a WWE Title Match. Personally, I would love to see the folloeing scenario:

It's been almost confirmed that there will be a DX reunion in the near future. i will try to not spoil to much but it's going to be a DX vs orton scenario. If you have been watching raw you see that codey has been going against orton in the past weeks and he could split by then, possibly turning face in that match.

- DX returns after Summerslam and begins a feud with Legacy.

I would like to see that, they would almost likely give HHH and Shawn creative control over the storyline.

- Shawn Michaels & Triple H vs Legacy in a 3-on-2 Handicap Match at WWE Breaking Point.

I loved when Dx was back in 06, it was the high point in raws entertainment level.

- Have it all come to a head at WWE Hell in a Cell in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE Championship between Orton, Triple H and Shawn Michaels. Michaels wins the title.

I think it would be better to see a mutual agreement between the two DX members and them just saying no hard feelings and whoever wins will win. I would like to see Shawn pin Orton opposed to HHH.

- Long, strong build up to Shawn Michaels vs Triple H at Wrestlemania. Triple H wins the title.

I'm not sure if this is the best blace for him to loose the title. Shawn is at his best at Wrestlemania and at the mainevent :::even better:::. I would like to see a clasic match go on here just like at Wrestlemania 12,19,20,21,23,24,25 thoes were my favorites.

Anyone else like my idea? I'm sure Creative probably has something far more bland in store for us, but I think having Michaels at the VERY top of the card one more time would breathe a lot more life into RAW.

I like the just of your ideas, though i doubt vince will give the Creative team anything here. If he wanted raw to have a fued of the year quality fued he would give full creative control to Shawn.

At 7/25/09 08:04 PM, idiot-buster wrote: I'm not sure if this is the best blace for him to loose the title. Shawn is at his best at Wrestlemania and at the mainevent :::even better:::. I would like to see a clasic match go on here just like at Wrestlemania 12,19,20,21,23,24,25 thoes were my favorites.

I agree that Michaels is at his best at Wrestlemania. Whether he would keep the title or not is more of a moot point, but I would have him drop the title sinply so he can return to his lighter work schedule sooner rather than later. As for the match itself, I would give these guys AT LEAST 30 minutes. Looking back at their Three-Stages-of-Hell match at Bad Blood several years back, these guys can steal the show when given the time to do it.

I like the just of your ideas, though i doubt vince will give the Creative team anything here. If he wanted raw to have a fued of the year quality fued he would give full creative control to Shawn.

And that there is the saddest part. Such a simple solution to Raw's Creative Crisis...

At 7/25/09 06:15 PM, Assi9 wrote: Oh, I forgot..... I know Punk's supposed to bea heel, but I couldn't help but AGREE with most of what he said about *insert 'vices' here*, and I was a little disturbed at the crowd seemingly CHEERING FOR SAID INSERTED VICES. o_O Shouldn't Vince be just a smidge concerned about their reaction?

I think that's a fair point, since it certainly is bizzare that a TV PG show is promoting an admitted drug abuser as the hero and the straight edge guy as the heelish jerk-o character. But as you say, a lot of the content of what Punk is saying can be agreed with, it's just a question of tone and method really. I think it's been a credit to both Punk and SD! creative that they've taken the character he made on the indies, but have made it much more subtle then the character he portrayed before which was very in your face and clearly had no respect for the crowd and believed himself to be far superior to them.

Also on the give Michaels the title...why? He's old, fantastic performer still, but WWE has to get out of the crutch of only passing the title or giving the title shots, to the same three or four people on RAW. They need something NEW, someone DIFFERENT in that mix. The ratings improved the last time they tried it (Punk) but we all know how that ended. The answer is not to put the belt back onto Michaels and let him feud with the same guys that he's already had fairly extensive programs with, it's to start trying something different and find that next "player". But considering how little interest they've had in creating that so far, I think we really probably will see another Michaels title reign, or continue to see the belt traded between the same folks on top. WWE really desperately needs the RAW brand freshened up, they need to build some people up and when ready insert them into the top mix. I'm not pissed off anymore that they haven't placed anyone new in there since Cena and Batista, so much as I'm pissed they don't even seem to have taken step 1 in making that happen with ANYBODY.

The only time you see that is on Smackdown! or ECW. It never happens on RAW.

Chris Jericho is teasing who his mystery partner for tomorrow night's WWE Night of Champions pay-per-view on Twitter with the following message:

"I'm not gonna say who my partner is going to be tomorrow....but he is EVIL...."

Taka Michinoku?..