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I know that the sole point of this is to generate a buzz around the WWE and get them some publicity, but these are only ever temporary. This just takes wrestling away from the wrestling fans (lets face it, Vince is the biggest mark of the lot), and puts it in the hands of someone who doesn't give two shits about wrestling.

Trump's presence will get WWE some mainstream attention for a few weeks, but the fact that nothing about actual wrestling will have changed means that no new fans will be attracted. People will tune in to see what the deal with is, but they won't stick around, because chances are they don't like wrestling if they weren't going to watch Raw anyway.

I hope Vince will take the opportunity next week to really showcase all the finest points of his company, and hopefully convince some people that maybe wrestling isn't the worst thing in the world, because if it's as bad as Raw has been in recent memory, then, if anything, more people are going to be turned off permanently.

At 6/16/09 11:14 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: I know that the sole point of this is to generate a buzz around the WWE and get them some publicity, but these are only ever temporary. This just takes wrestling away from the wrestling fans (lets face it, Vince is the biggest mark of the lot), and puts it in the hands of someone who doesn't give two shits about wrestling.

That's true, but it can be beneficial. Vince has built his success off exploiting pop culture to his own advantage.

Trump's presence will get WWE some mainstream attention for a few weeks, but the fact that nothing about actual wrestling will have changed means that no new fans will be attracted. People will tune in to see what the deal with is, but they won't stick around, because chances are they don't like wrestling if they weren't going to watch Raw anyway.

I think they won't stick around because the product is so boring and repetitive on RAW these days. When you have a good show on the air, it makes sense to do things like this angle with Trump, it sure worked with Tyson. But the problem here is if you do get lapsed fans to come back and check it out, and/or the general public to come look, what will they find? They'll find essentially the same product they left years ago. That's the problem, this sort of thing gets the attention they want and can use, but there has to be something beyond that initial hook to make people stay. They've done nothing to do that, RAW has no new main eventers elevated, no really hot programs going, there's just nothing there beyond the Trump situation and I just don't see them building anything new up while it's happening. So yeah, this is something that won't work out like they want, not because the hook is bad or there's anything inherently wrong with what they're attempting, it's because they've done nothing to address the real issue.

I hope Vince will take the opportunity next week to really showcase all the finest points of his company, and hopefully convince some people that maybe wrestling isn't the worst thing in the world, because if it's as bad as Raw has been in recent memory, then, if anything, more people are going to be turned off permanently.

Can't see it happening, because in Vince's mind this is the way he should be pushing and promoting shit. He has no clue how to fix it, and truth be told there is no quick overnight fix. For him to showcase the best parts of his company, he'd have to run Smackdown! in RAW's time slot :)

Credit: F4WOnline.com

WWE Hall Of Famer Gerald Brisco, best known to present-day WWE fans as one of Vince McMahon's on-air "stooges" (alongside Pat Patterson), suffered from what was at first believed to be a stroke this past weekend.

Updated reports show that Brisco, 62, suffered a blockage in an artery in his neck and is also suffering from heart issues. Brisco will undergo surgery tomorrow.

I wish him a speedy recovery.

The ratings are in for this week's special "Three-for-All" RAW. According to data compiled by Neilson Media Research, the three-hour June 15th edition of WWE RAW drew a 3.7 cable rating.

If you remove the first "bonus" hour, RAW's typical timeslot (the final 2 hours) did a very strong 3.93 rating.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Hour 1: 3.30 rating (4,561,000 viewers)
Hour 2: 3.75 rating (5,720,000 viewers)
Hour 3: 4.10 rating (6,091,000 viewers)

Does Avie work for WWE or something?

At 6/17/09 12:32 PM, Twilight wrote: Does Avie work for WWE or something?

Not to the best of my knowledge. He's just got a PWI Elite account.

At 6/17/09 12:32 PM, Twilight wrote: Does Avie work for WWE or something?

Its a well known fact that Avie is actually Joey Styles >_>

Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but WWE blew it big time with Miz on Monday. Miz comes out from under the ring during the Battle Royal, and there's a perfect opportunity to have him eliminate Cena, and score yet another "victory" over him. So what does WWE do? They allow Miz to be thrown out of the ring by Cena and HHH. If HHH was going to win the match anyways, why not let Miz throw out Cena?

Oh, right... Had that happened, we wouldn't have gotten the Super Cena v Super Trips face-off.

At 6/17/09 04:24 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Oh, right... Had that happened, we wouldn't have gotten the Super Cena v Super Trips face-off.

They didn't even get the super face off. HHH pushed Cena out straight afterwards from behind. But I agree, your idea would have been FAR superior.

At 6/17/09 04:37 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote:

At 6/17/09 04:24 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Oh, right... Had that happened, we wouldn't have gotten the Super Cena v Super Trips face-off.

They didn't even get the super face off. HHH pushed Cena out straight afterwards from behind. But I agree, your idea would have been FAR superior.

Agreed times three. I had teh same thought when I saw it unfold on Monday. It would have really helped out the storyline between Cena and Miz while Big Show still goes after Cena. It was the perfect timing for it and to The Miz's credit he looked totalyl capable of pulling it off right up until he ran at them full speed.

Haven't watched ECW yet but apparently there's gonna be a Championship Scramble for the title.

Since Raw's gonna be showing Trips/Orton in a Last Man Standing match six days before the PPV, it would surely make sense for them to announce a Scramble match for the WWE Championship as well. Have Trips/Orton end in some sort of dodgy finish (interference by Show, followed by Cena, followed by Miz) and let the five of them have it out at The Bash.

And finally since I really like the scramble matches I'd throw one in for Smackdown too. Probably including Edge, Jericho and Mysterio, as well as Hardy and Punk. Not sure how you could book that one though since Hardy/Punk has already been announced. Maybe Teddy could come out and say since Raw and ECW are doing it, Smackdown is going to follow suit and show them how it's done.

All speculation of course, but I'd love to see the return of the scrambles.

At 6/17/09 04:24 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Its a well known fact that Avie is actually Joey Styles >_>

SHHHHHH! Vince will fire my ass from .com if you say that out loud! Oh fuck...

Oh, right... Had that happened, we wouldn't have gotten the Super Cena v Super Trips face-off.

Which again shows you the biggest problem with RAW right now: they do not have anybody fresh anywhere near the top and they're doing nothing to make it happen, where conversely SD! has been building the pushed properties they got out of the draft. I don't want to hear the excuse "well, MITB gave us an excuse to put the belt on Punk and elevate him whenever we were ready" screw that, RAW doesn't need to have guys like Miz or MVP in the main events right now, or even a month from now, but they should be doing better at laying the groundwork for them to move beyond their current station at some point. But why do that when you can push the exact same people you've pushed for the last five years or so to such monstrous success. AmIrightguys?

In the past we used to blame HHH for keeping guys down but I think in thise case it has got to be Vince on this one. He doesn't seem to be able to see far enough ahead for days when his top stars aren't drawing becuase fans have seen them face off against the same people over and over again. Bringing up new talent is the only way to keep the product fresh but he seems to only want to work with what kinda works now instead of trying new things and building characters.

A couple of releases today.

From WWE.com: World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Raw Superstar Sim Snuka as of today, June 19, 2009. WWE wishes Sim the best in all future endeavors.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/10579908

From WWE.com: World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of SmackDown Superstar Candice Michelle as of today, June 19, 2009. WWE wishes Candice the best in all future endeavors.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/10579966

I'm surprised that Candice managed to hang around for so long.

At 6/19/09 06:36 PM, pepeatumi wrote: I'm surprised that Candice managed to hang around for so long.

Myself too, they'd really done everything they could with her awhile ago, and I'm surprised she even got to return from the last injury.

The Morrison / Edge match was excellent tonight; but then again, we all know Morrison knows how to put on a match.

Came across ProWrestlingSCOOPS!.com on my Internet travels, and there was something about Kurt Angle implying he's returning to the WWE; GOOD, because his TNA crap was getting extremely stale.

Also saw a pic of Rey Mysterio WITHOUT his mask; a lot more regular-looking under there than I thought. I sincerely doubt anybody would be able to pick him out of a crowd. However, there is an advantage to that - he probably doesn't have a lot of paparazzi problems that way. :P

Continuing to scour the aforementioned website, yup, Ken Kennedy IS apparently set to hit TNA. Umaga hasn't been confirmed yet. Rob Van Dam has also mentioned that he & TNA have been talking recently - THAT should be interesting. On the other side of things, Roxxie Laveau (not under that name, exactly) has turned in her resume to WWE.

I KNEW I saw Lashley's head on a TNA commercial a while ago. Hopefully things will go better for him there.

At 6/19/09 09:49 PM, Assi9 wrote: Came across ProWrestlingSCOOPS!.com on my Internet travels, and there was something about Kurt Angle implying he's returning to the WWE; GOOD, because his TNA crap was getting extremely stale.

I heard that. He was on the Bubba The Love Sponge Show and mentioned that his TNA deal ends in August, and that he's been discussing a new deal with Dixie Carter, though nothing is guaranteed as of now. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing him go back to WWE, particularly if its on RAW.

At 6/19/09 11:13 PM, pepeatumi wrote: I heard that. He was on the Bubba The Love Sponge Show and mentioned that his TNA deal ends in August, and that he's been discussing a new deal with Dixie Carter, though nothing is guaranteed as of now. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing him go back to WWE, particularly if its on RAW.

I think Angle is probably just trying to work TNA a little for a better deal. Unless Kurt has given up the MMA talk, and gone through some kind of rehab to get his "issues" under control, WWE will not take or touch him. Given TNA's track record on the second subject, I tend to think they haven't pressed the issue, and given Angle's feelings on the subject I doubt he independently has done anything soooo...

I really enjoyed the Edge/Morrison match. They did a great job and put one one hell of a match. That was my favorite match of the night but the Jeff/Jericho match as well as the Punk/Rey match were also very well done.

As for the releases.. Doesn't suprise me in the least. Snuka wasn't doing anything and Candice was too injury prone.

At 6/20/09 11:37 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I really enjoyed the Edge/Morrison match. They did a great job and put one one hell of a match. That was my favorite match of the night but the Jeff/Jericho match as well as the Punk/Rey match were also very well done.

The Morrison match was great, but WWE still badly needs to give the fans more of a reason to care about this guy, other then just cutting promos on heels and having good matches. I do think they're starting to turn that corner finally but the sooner the better here. The guy has the goods, but unless the really make the fans connect with him, all the tools in the world won't matter worth a damn. I also agree on the other two matches. Sure in the end they're there to basically advance the Jericho/Rey issue with the main event adding a little more to the "is Punk a heel or isn't he?" situation. RAW creative should really be taking notes on what SD! is doing these days.

As for the releases.. Doesn't suprise me in the least. Snuka wasn't doing anything and Candice was too injury prone.

With Snuka I understand he got the blame on Taker's scary bump at Mania (he was cameraman) some people think Snuka fucked it up cause he was supposed to catch Taker, other people think that Snuka probably saved Taker's life. I tend to fall into the second camp based on my viewing of the thing. I think Taker just did not get the vertical leap going like he should have and was going to fall directly on his head so the best anybody could do was act as as much of a crash pad as they could there. But right or wrong, Snuka ate the blame, never got used again, and thus released.

Also Mark Canterbury (Phinneas Godwin/Mideon)'s son got released yesterday as well.

At 6/20/09 11:54 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Also Mark Canterbury (Phinneas Godwin/Mideon)'s son got released yesterday as well.

I didn't evn know he was there.. I didn't even know Mideon had a son. I just hope his gimmick wasn't running around naked like his Dad.

Tomorrow will be weird. Watching Raw with no breaks. I guess I'll have to pick what I think will be boring segments to get a bathroom break if need be.

At 6/21/09 08:08 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Tomorrow will be weird. Watching Raw with no breaks. I guess I'll have to pick what I think will be boring segments to get a bathroom break if need be.

That'll be like 90% of the show then! Ba-dum cha!

Seriously, WWE has I'm sure drummed up some curiosity now, so they really really need to have a good show tomorrow that will convince people to hang around, and maybe even to order the Bash.

This seems like a costly gamble to me. Just from a financial standpoint I wonder how much money WWE had to pay for the airtime. Commercials pay the network a ton of money, so USA would never give WWE that time for free. They need to make tonight worth it to make up for the cash they had to put down.

I do know we are getting a ppv type match, so hopefully the rest of the show will pay off too.

At 6/22/09 08:43 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: This seems like a costly gamble to me. Just from a financial standpoint I wonder how much money WWE had to pay for the airtime. Commercials pay the network a ton of money, so USA would never give WWE that time for free. They need to make tonight worth it to make up for the cash they had to put down.

I do know we are getting a ppv type match, so hopefully the rest of the show will pay off too.

Unfortunately, it's the same match we've had on multiple recent PPVs, and it sucked each of those times.

At 6/22/09 08:43 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: This seems like a costly gamble to me. Just from a financial standpoint I wonder how much money WWE had to pay for the airtime. Commercials pay the network a ton of money, so USA would never give WWE that time for free. They need to make tonight worth it to make up for the cash they had to put down.

The air time is covered in the agreement with USA, where USA is paying THEM x amount per year to make da show. The commercials being off however is going to cost USA a little since they keep the ad revenue there. But I'm figuring they're hoping the gimmick will get them the ratings which is their obsession. Where I go "what huh?" is the announcement in the press conference that they were going to refund everyone their ticket price that attends. Since I highly doubt Donald Trump himself wants to put any of his own cash into this angle, that means WWE is getting no live gate whatsoever from this show. Guess that might be a concession to USA there: since USA won't make money here, WWE won't either.

I do know we are getting a ppv type match, so hopefully the rest of the show will pay off too.

I hope that match pays off, as HBH pointed out, those two are coming off a really bad singles bout at WM so if this feud winds up being our SS main event from the RAW side they really need to deliver here and give us something special. I think they can since having watched the WM match, I think the problem was that they made the whole "if H is counted out or DQ'ed, he loses the belt" such a focal point, they absolutely killed that match. After everything Orton had done to him, this one should have been just a no DQ brutal fight between two men that were looking to take everything the other man held dear away. Last Man Standing will allow them to do that here. If they put out a clunker here, I just can't see a valid excuse barring serious injury to one or both during the bout.

Settle for a tie?

Well, there HAVE been worse RAWs in the past....... I had thought the Trump thing would have lasted at least another month, but meh, probably for the best; I guess Trump just wanted to get one last shot in.

R.I.P Santina Marella storyline
April - June

also Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase change their entrance music like fucking underwear

Pretty decent show. Great Last Man Standing match, bitch about the finish? Fuck you it's free tv. You shouldn't be getting title matches and changes on free freakin TV.

I have to wonder if the SEC thing affected Trump sticking around? I'm not the only one of course, but yeah, seems weird to have pulled that angle last monday just to dump it by this week. I really have to wonder if the SEC threats over this "sale" had anything to do with it. Sometimes the real world is more messed up then wrestling.

So Miz and Cena will finally have a match at the Bash. I don't expect Miz to win but I would like it if he got in some decent offense. I just hope they don't pull a Chavo and have Cena hit his finisher at the start of the match and end it there. That would kill any and all momentum Miz has built.

The Last Man Standing match was pretty good. It now leads them to the three stages of Hell match..I don't remember that last time they did that one.

I couldn't help but laugh when Vince and Festus had a brief moment on TV.

I guess that was the best way to drop Santina. It was kinda funny but it had run it's course. I wonder where this will leave Santino?